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Post by Fox in the Snow on Oct 7, 2020 2:54:10 GMT
Fatalism?
Nihilism?
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Post by Admin on Oct 7, 2020 6:00:11 GMT
Do nouns have opposites?
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Post by Fox in the Snow on Oct 7, 2020 7:51:38 GMT
I'm assuming most people will intuit (more or less) what I'm asking. Do you have a suggestion on how I could have worded it more clearly?
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Post by Admin on Oct 7, 2020 8:01:10 GMT
I'm assuming most people will intuit (more or less) what I'm asking. Do you have a suggestion on how I could have worded it more clearly? According to Webster, the only antonym for 'existential' is 'theoretical', with 'conjectural, hypothetical, speculative, unproven, unsubstantiated, metaphysical, transcendentalist, and visionary' as near antonyms. I'm still wondering about the noun thing. Can a person, place, or thing have an opposite? If so, then I guess the opposite of 'existentialism' is 'theory'. Seems weird. 
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Post by Fox in the Snow on Oct 7, 2020 12:14:49 GMT
I'm assuming most people will intuit (more or less) what I'm asking. Do you have a suggestion on how I could have worded it more clearly? According to Webster, the only antonym for 'existential' is 'theoretical', with 'conjectural, hypothetical, speculative, unproven, unsubstantiated, metaphysical, transcendentalist, and visionary' as near antonyms. I'm still wondering about the noun thing. Can a person, place, or thing have an opposite? If so, then I guess the opposite of 'existentialism' is 'theory'. Seems weird. Agreed it does seem weird. Guess I'm trying to look at it not so much as a noun per se. Take existentialism as a philosophical theory (?), some of the most basic "tenets" of it are: - The world/life is absurd/has no meaning - Humans have free will Taking that as a starting point what philosophical theory/belief/system (if any) would be the closest to the opposite of that?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2020 12:33:06 GMT
The republican party
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Post by Schwarzwald Magnus on Oct 7, 2020 14:55:17 GMT
I'm assuming most people will intuit (more or less) what I'm asking. Do you have a suggestion on how I could have worded it more clearly? According to Webster, the only antonym for 'existential' is 'theoretical', with 'conjectural, hypothetical, speculative, unproven, unsubstantiated, metaphysical, transcendentalist, and visionary' as near antonyms. I'm still wondering about the noun thing. Can a person, place, or thing have an opposite? If so, then I guess the opposite of 'existentialism' is 'theory'. Seems weird. I suppose ideas can have opposites, the other three, I don't think so.
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Post by gameboy on Oct 7, 2020 18:53:13 GMT
I'm assuming most people will intuit (more or less) what I'm asking. Do you have a suggestion on how I could have worded it more clearly? According to Webster, the only antonym for 'existential' is 'theoretical', with 'conjectural, hypothetical, speculative, unproven, unsubstantiated, metaphysical, transcendentalist, and visionary' as near antonyms. I'm still wondering about the noun thing. Can a person, place, or thing have an opposite? If so, then I guess the opposite of 'existentialism' is 'theory'. Seems weird. Yes, a noun can have an opposite. A leftist is the opposite of a rightist. A virgin is the opposite of a whore. Black is the opposite of white. A lie is the opposite of truth ...
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Oct 7, 2020 18:55:28 GMT
Essentialism.
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Post by moviemouth on Oct 7, 2020 21:32:55 GMT
Does it even have an opposite?
Nihilism and fatalism are sub-categories of existentialism imo. They are views on existence from a thinking and feeling person.
Existentialism (/ˌɛɡzɪˈstɛnʃəlɪzəm/[1] or /ˌɛksəˈstɛntʃəˌlɪzəm/[2]) is a form of philosophical enquiry that explores the nature of existence by emphasizing experience of the human subject—not merely the thinking subject, but the acting, feeling, living human individual.[3] In the view of the existentialist, the individual's starting point has been called "the existential angst" (or, variably, existential attitude, dread, etc.), or a sense of disorientation, confusion, or anxiety in the face of an apparently meaningless or absurd world.
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Post by Fox in the Snow on Oct 7, 2020 21:40:06 GMT
OK, thanks, this seems pretty close. I just had a quick glance at the Wikipedia page. Is it of the view that a persons actions are pre-determined, unlike existentialism?
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Oct 7, 2020 21:46:31 GMT
OK, thanks, this seems pretty close. I just had a quick glance at the Wikipedia page. Is it of the view that a persons actions are pre-determined, unlike existentialism? I think at base, existentialism is about being as us humans as is, while essentialism is being as we are made.
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Post by Fox in the Snow on Oct 7, 2020 21:46:35 GMT
Does it even have an opposite? Nihilism and fatalism are sub-categories of existentialism imo. They are views on existence from a thinking and feeling person. I asked about fatalism (maybe determinism would have been better) due to it's view that things are "fated" to be the way they are and you have no real choice or free will. Perhaps I'm interpreting it wrong. Nihilism is what came up when I googled it. If they are sub categories of existentialism, then existentialism is very broad, broader than I even first thought. The way I read it, pretty much anyone who doesn't have strong religious beliefs could pretty much be categorized as an existentialist/living an existentialist life.
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Post by moviemouth on Oct 7, 2020 21:51:22 GMT
Does it even have an opposite? Nihilism and fatalism are sub-categories of existentialism imo. They are views on existence from a thinking and feeling person. I asked about fatalism (maybe determinism would have been better) due to it's view that things are "fated" to be the way they are and you have no real choice or free will. Perhaps I'm interpreting it wrong. Nihilism is what came up when I googled it. If they are sub categories of existentialism, then existentialism is very broad, broader than I even first thought. The way I read it, pretty much anyone who doesn't have strong religious beliefs could pretty much be categorized as an existentialist/living an existentialist life. I was just going to say determinism might be an option. I was also going to say that 100% trust in God's existence and plan would make existentialism seem useless. My issue is that there doesn't seem to be any way around existentialism. Even a fatalist would still struggle to get around existential anxiety.
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Post by moviemouth on Oct 7, 2020 21:59:22 GMT
Also something interesting is that when I think of determinism, the idea that everything is pre-determined makes me freak out even more. I reject determinism out of hand, even though it might be true.
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Post by Fox in the Snow on Oct 7, 2020 22:30:21 GMT
Also something interesting is that when I think of determinism, the idea that everything is pre-determined makes me freak out even more. I reject determinism out of hand, even though it might be true. It's a pretty insane concept, but interesting. An ethical minefield.
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Post by gw on Oct 7, 2020 22:31:26 GMT
I've had a few run ins with the Mandela Effect so I can't be sure that reality is fully self consistent. If I thought it were, I'd say that we could potentially grow smarter over time, though there may be some upper limit. If there were a way in which we could grow our intellect indefinitely we'd be in an endless chase where our knowledge perpetually struggles to catch up to our ever increasing intelligence. So in a way we'd never catch up to ourselves as we curently are.
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Post by moviemouth on Oct 7, 2020 22:35:28 GMT
Also something interesting is that when I think of determinism, the idea that everything is pre-determined makes me freak out even more. I reject determinism out of hand, even though it might be true. It's a pretty insane concept, but interesting. An ethical minefield. How do you mean?
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Post by moviemouth on Oct 7, 2020 22:36:50 GMT
I've had a few run ins with the Mandela Effect so I can't be sure that reality is fully self consistent. If I thought it were, I'd say that we could potentially grow smarter over time, though there may be some upper limit. If there were a way in which we could grow our intellect indefinitely we'd be in an endless chase where our knowledge perpetually struggles to catch up to our ever increasing intelligence. So in a way we'd never catch up to ourselves as we curently are. The Mandela Effect has a psychological explanation. Which examples of it have you encountered? Please tell me it is something more interesting than "Luke, I am your father." 
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Post by Fox in the Snow on Oct 7, 2020 22:45:43 GMT
It's a pretty insane concept, but interesting. An ethical minefield.How do you mean? If people have no control over their actions. Should they be punished for crimes, etc. Then again I guess the punishment is also pre determined, so I see what you mean. A concept that's very hard to accept/get your head around.
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