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Post by ag25 on Oct 7, 2020 7:59:16 GMT
Ok, so here we are starting Angel season 2. Like I said in the Buffy post, how long do you think I will keep it up this time? Lol. Angel Season 2 Judgment - 9-26-2000/2020 I think this is a very good season premier! From Lorne's intro and monologue about LA (and as an into to a new character) to the idea that just because a demon is a demon, it doesn't mean that they are evil. Angel learns this lesson again the hard way, as well as it's not just about fighting evil and the number of bad guys killed, not to mention getting any rewards, but because it is the right thing to do. I like that this is established in this first episode and carries on throughout the season (of course, this is usually what happens on Angel and Buffy and why I love these shows). I think this is a well constructed and written episode. I think it has a straightforward, medieval-like plot to it: main hero fights bad guys, makes a mistake, rescues/protects the maiden, kills bad guys, everything works out. But then it's all elevated by the other things going on with Angel as a character, the themes for the season and show, and just what happens later on with the characters in the season. A good set up that will lead to more powerful moments/episodes. I thought it had a cool intro at the gym; the episode sort of quickly shows the audience what the show is about if they had never seen it before. Also, I was glad to see Cordelia acting. I thought she was pretty good, better than the guy, lol. The slap, lol. I love the scene between Angel and Cordy. Her faith in him and that she tells him that she will be there with him every step of the way. So sweet. I love how comfortable Gunn is with Angel, and then later when he meets with Cordy and Wesley. He does what Angel asked and helps Angel find the demon's home, and then just goes and delivers the coat of arms/talisman to Cordy and Wes, no questions asked, instead of complaining that he doesn't get to fight or that "he's not a delivery boy". He fits in so well! I do wish that the Powers That Be had given Cordelia more info in her vision, but then again, it was really Merl's fault for not telling Angel and Co. the whole truth. By the way, I love Merl as a new character! Yay, Lorne is introduced as well as his snarkyness and his beautiful voice! I always love Darla's appearances. Good to see Lindsey and Lilah, too. Teasing the audience for what is about to come. Just when you think you had seen it all on Buffy and Angel, we see Angel jousting in the streets of LA. Awesome! I love Faith's cameo at the end. I think it's important and makes an impact. Also, it's nice to see her doing alright. I have to mention Barry Manilow. My mom is a huge fan and I like him too. Glad to know that Lorne likes him, plus obviously Angel, lol. Angel singing Mandy is everything! "Why don't we just call him Angel, the vampire with soul" lol! And saying he thinks it's pretty, lol! FYI, there are three references to Barry's songs in the episode. The first one is obviously where Angel sings Mandy. The second is Faith guessing that Angel sang Copacabana (I am surprised Faith even knew Barry Manilow and his songs, but good for her). And the much harder third one, I think, is the Chopin prelude Lindsey puts on for Darla. Barry has said that the prelude inspired his song Could it be Magic in which he also uses the prelude. All of these references makes me think that either Joss or David Greenwalt is a Manilow fan since they wrote the episode...or at least some member of the cast or crew. Overall, a great start to the season!
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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 7, 2020 13:17:43 GMT
Hopefully, you can keep it up all the way through to the end. Lol. I was also in the middle of an Angel rewatch. I got up through Fredless before taking a break for October (I just focus on horror and Halloween movies and tv for the month).
I gotta say, I love Judgement as a premiere. It does a great job of reintroducing us to all the characters, but also gives us a heads up that things won't be exactly as we'd expect them this season. The Priomoto being a good guy was a great twist that still hits even knowing that. Angel's shock and horror at what he's done is something that he (and us as an audience) needed to understand. Redemption is not a numbers game.
Nice catch on all the Manilow references.
Faith's cameo is like Anne's appearances. They're a great reminder that the work done and the lives saved by Buffy and Angel don't just existing when the episode ends. Anne in particular is one of my favorite characters because of the ripple effect she represents. In saving her life, Buffy has helped saved countless others simply because Anne went on to run a homeless shelter. And who knows how many lives those kids may go on to help and so on.
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Post by ag25 on Oct 10, 2020 23:02:35 GMT
I have to rewrite this as it wouldn't let me post for some reason and I lost what I had said. I agree with everything you said PreachCaleb ! You said it better that me, lol. What fun to do for Halloween! I love Halloween too, but I don't like scary movies, lol. I do love to watch Halloween movies, decorating, watching cooking shows with it as a theme, etc. Such a fun time of the year! Btw, Fredless is a good episode as well as Billy before it, but I won't get ahead of myself. Yes, I love Anne as a character, and, like Faith, her appearances. Like you say, she represents the ripple effects the main characters have on people and the world. I wish we could have seen more of her in Angel season 3, 4, and 5. This is one of the reasons why Buffy and Angel are my favorite TV shows of all time, because not only do major characters get great growth and development over the course of their tenure on the show(s), but the writers take care to do the same with minor ones like Anne. Such a great thing to see.
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Post by ag25 on Oct 10, 2020 23:11:33 GMT
Angel S2 Ep. 2
Are You Now or Have You Ever Been – 10-3-2000/2020
What a wonderful episode! I must admit that I do not watch this episode as much as I should, but it is still great! I think it is a good follow up episode to Judgement, because it dealt with Angel fighting the good fight because it is the right thing to do, not just for a reward. Here, we get another episode where we learn that Angel messed up and had to atone for more things. I think this makes him more human.
I am still amazed at all of the themes that are touched on in this episode, from paranoia, racism, mob mentality, being different, prejudice, forgiveness, guilt, etc.; they work so well. Not only does it do all of that, but it also provides an extensive flashback to Angel’s past, and it introduces the hotel/new headquarters, and that even with a soul, Angel has done things he shouldn't have. In the flashback, we get to see Angel start to interact with and develop a desire to help people. This in turn further sets up the season’s story arc and has a little bit of foreshadowing with Dark Angel when he chooses to let the paranoia demon have all of the hotel people and then later on with the lawyers and the wine cellar. I just think that all of that is brilliant writing, which is one of the reasons why this show (and by extension, Buffy) is my all time favorite TV show.
I think the actress who played Judy did a great job, especially since she was only a nonrecurring guest star and had a lot of screen time. I love the scene between Angel and Judy where she reveals her race and that she stole the money. Love Angel’s line of “it’s all just blood.” It’s very poignant because not only is that true, we are all the same no matter our race, but because Judy is also expressing that since she is mixed race, she feels that she doesn’t belong to either race, and Angel of course understands this because of his vampirism and soul. Again, brilliant, love it!
On top of all of this, I believe that this is the first time that it is Angel as the one who has the power to forgive someone for wronging him. How interesting is that? I love that the writers sort of flipped that.
While this is a great episode (how many times can I say that? Lol) I do have a few criticisms/nitpicks. Nothing to do with the plot, more of my preferences. First, I didn’t really like the tentacles on the paranoia demon; but I do know that this helped in electrocuting/defeating him. I do think the make up and the actor were fantastic though! Second, I found myself wishing that old Judy had gotten to at least walk outside before she died. She was trapped for so long that I just wanted her to have that moment of freedom, but that is just my preference. Third, I wish we had seen Angel talking to Cordelia and Wesley, possibly even Gunn, about what happened and what he did. Angel may have needed closure and they could have helped him with that; also they should have gotten to know why Angel wanted them to research the hotel. Yes, they essentially figured this out in the scenes where we saw Cordy and Wes researching, but it would have been nice to see Angel confide in them at the end or something, because, to me, if feels a little incomplete. Like there needed to be one last scene where Angel tells them what went down, they accept it and understand why he wants to make the hotel their new headquarters and, especially, since they righted one of his wrongs. Yes, it may be a little redundant considering this is similar to what happened in the previous episode, but still, I think it would have been a nice follow up; sort of doubling down on the concept. Anyway, these really don’t affect how wonderful this episode is.
What an amazing and powerful episode this is! I absolutely understand why it usually gets a spot on lists of top 10 Angel episodes.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 13, 2020 16:55:19 GMT
When it first aired, I didn't quite get the point of the episode. For some reason, the paranoia aspect just went over my head. On repeat viewings though, I keep finding something new to love about Are You Now or Have You Ever Been. It's a great episode that apart from giving us our first post-soul flashback of Angel since Becoming pt 1, also brings Wesley, Gunn, Cordy, and Fred together as a team for the first time. The character dynamics are great right from the start.
One thing that even in the first time viewing it really struck me was just the cold horror of watching Angel tell the Thesulac Demon, "Take them all." It is one of David Boreanaz's most chilling line deliveries in the entire series. Angelus may have been evil, but Angel could be cold, and I don't always know which is scarier. This was a surprising revelation to know that even ensouled, Angel wasn't always a hero. And much like Judgement, it serves as a teaser of the coldness we'd see from Angel throughout the middle of the season. "Take them all" is essentially a precursor to Angel locking the Wolfram and Hart lawyers in with Darla and Dru. Cold, practical, and final.
Another way this episode ties in to the later-season episodes (that I'd never realized until you pointed out Angel forgiving someone) is that after his epiphany, Angel must now learn to forgive himself for what he's done. Probably the first time it's ever occurred to him that it's ok to forgive yourself for your own mistakes as long as you own up to them and try to make amends.
It's almost as if this one episode is a microcosm of Angel's journey throughout season 2: His attempts to help failing, letting his coldness directly lead to many deaths, self-imposed isolation, and then finally forgiveness and coming together as a team.
Damn, this really is a great episode.
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Post by ag25 on Oct 21, 2020 1:06:41 GMT
Angel S2 Ep. 3 First Impressions – 10-10-2000/2020 A very good Gunn-centric episode, and an episode that has always sort of stood out to me. I think the writers did a good job with the A (Gunn/Cordelia) and B (Angel/Darla) story lines. I really like that this Gunn episode heavily features Cordy, not because she is my favorite female character, but because this “pairing” (I’m not talking about romantic) is unexpected. They haven’t known each other that long and haven’t had much interaction, but I like seeing them together. They both get to bond and grow as characters. It is a shame that we don’t really get to see this again in the series, at least to my recollection. It would have been interesting, not only to see this “pairing” but others too like Conner and Wesley or Fred and Drusilla…ok, I’m kind of kidding about the last one, but you get what I mean, lol. Showing Darla and what she is doing with Angel’s dreams and what will be going on with that story line this season works well as the B plot to the main Gunn and Cordy plot. I think this is an interesting approach of Darla’s. Making Angel dream of themselves, fantasizing, getting on his good side, playing into his guilt, fears, insecurities, and then being there for him with reassurances and encouragement. Of course, lots of manipulations going on, but I think this is a great beginning to their story line for the season. I like the fight the gang has with the vamps when meeting with the snitch. They are right in pointing out that it shouldn’t have taken that long for the four of them to take out 3 (4?) vampires. We get why Angel is off his game, but Wes and Gunn with Cordy’s help? Still, a really nice bonding scene between them. Love the movie talk, and Angel likes Denzel Washington! (as he says, who doesn’t lol) but I’m surprised that Angel is that knowledgeable about pop culture. I love the opening with Lorne talking to Angel; more foreshadowing and more singing! And a nice twist that it is a fake out and a book mark because the episode also closes, too, with sort of another twist. Love Darla’s last line “I could just eat you up.” It’s teasing and sensual but it’s also chilling and has weight considering what it to some. I love Gunn and Cordy’s last scene at the end where she says she is Gunn’s protector, and at least Cordelia (and the Powers That Be) have given Gunn a wake-up call/warning about his dangerous lifestyle, and that he needs to be more careful. Their silent communication is great. Also, I like that we get Gunn coming to Angel for help. Shows he has trust in Angel, which is nice considering his distaste of vampires, or at least the fact that he and Angel had a rocky start. Lol at him calling Wes and Cordy “C3PO and stick-figure Barbie”! I like the twist that the snitch was the demon. Cool looking demon and pretty good fight at the end. I think Andy Hallett looked great in this episode! Loved his blue and orange/yellow(?) suit. Hilarious that Angel had to wear the pink helmet! I really like the actress who plays Veronica. She was good and gave us more insight into Gunn. Wish she seen again. I believe this is the last appearance of David Nabbit which is a shame because I liked him. I thought he had potential to pop in every once in a while to help the gang or something. Oh well. Overall, a really good character episode that sets the stage for all of the big things to come this season.
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Post by ag25 on Oct 21, 2020 1:15:28 GMT
Angel S2 Ep.4 Untouched – 10-17-2000-2020 I think that this is a very interesting episode. It reminds me of the Season 1 episodes Blind Date and I Fall to Pieces, maybe a bit of Eternity. I love that we get another episode where Angel gets to connect with and really help a person (and their soul) emotionally, phycologically, etc. Yes, in Judgement he helps the pregnant woman, but that was more of fighting for her in combat. And in Are You Now or Have You Ever Been he helps Judy, but that was mainly a flashback and righting one of his wrongs. Here, he has to put more of his social skills to work to help and connect with Bethany. Angel does a good job I think. In comparison to Blind Date, this episode is similar because Bethany is similar to Vanessa, meaning she has supernatural abilities that attract Wolfram & Hart to her as a potential assassin. Interesting to see how WR&H would start out their recruitment process. Lilah gets her time to shine here, although not nearly as personal as Lindsey’s story was in Blind Date. Always happy to see Holland Manners pop up. I like Darla and Lilah’s opening scene. We get more teasing about what Darla and WR&H are doing to Angel with the powder and dreams. Also, Darla still likes to be in the dark, so we still don’t know what form she has come back as: vampire, human, or something else. Good for the writers for trying not to give anything away. Loved that Cordelia could tell Angel that yes, she knows exactly how hard it is to think with a rebar in your torso, lol. A nice callback. Wow, Cordy wants to share the wealth with Gunn? I’m surprised and so proud of her! Lol at her and Wesley’s fight. Nice foreshadowing of Angel firing them. I love Gunn’s enthusiasm in this episode, plus his new ax is cool! I love the last scene where Bethany tells off Lilah, that Lilah is a sore loser, and reveals to Bethany that Angel is a vampire…and all Bethany says is “weird” lol! Angel wins this one against Lilah, but of course she knows that Lindsey and Darla are messing with Angel, so she kind of gets the last laugh here with her chilling line of “sweet dreams”. I do feel that this episode is kind of choppy for lack of a better word. The opening and set up is great (Act 1 I guess), but then I find Bethany is so aggressive or chaotic and constantly running, which I totally understand! She has been through some awful stuff, so I don’t blame her at all, but because of this, we only get a few scenes to slow down and breath, that it feels too easy and fast when we get to the climax with her dad. It just feels a bit too sudden, and I wish there could have been more of a middle with more bonding and introspection. Like Bethany and Cordy could have bonded over both of them having powers and not being able to control them or something. It just felt too easy, Angel gives Bethany a couple of pep talks and then bam, she is able to not only control her telekinesis, but is kind of over her dad’s power over her. I do like the episode, I only wish it had more time to develop. All in all, a pretty good episode that has a nice resolution and shows Team Angel helping the helpless, which we need now and then in between episodes that deal with the season’s main story line.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 28, 2020 16:19:01 GMT
I'm with you. The Cordy/Gunn pairing was a real breath of fresh air, as it showed just how much fun can be had by mixing and matching the characters and their various personalities. I really like that Alonna is mentioned by Gunn. Sometimes I feel that aspect of his character is forgotten. The man lost his little sister. I know it'd tear me up, and it'd be something I could never forget. But it's interesting that that loss is what is fueling his recklessness. Like he said, if he stops or even slows down, someone else will die. It's a very interesting take on his character.
David Nabbit is his name. I'm actually glad we don't see t anymore after this episode. I don't hate the character, and he is funny (I like David Herman). But that nerdy, geeky fanboy feels out of place with the darker tone of Angel and his crew. He'd fit in a little better on Buffy, but here, it's a bit much.
What more can I add to your review of Lorne this episode? Andy Hallett was a beautiful light in this show. This episode is such a great indicator of how any combination of characters on the show is gold. The cast was always on point.
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Post by ag25 on Nov 1, 2020 2:30:08 GMT
I'm with you. The Cordy/Gunn pairing was a real breath of fresh air, as it showed just how much fun can be had by mixing and matching the characters and their various personalities. I really like that Alonna is mentioned by Gunn. Sometimes I feel that aspect of his character is forgotten. The man lost his little sister. I know it'd tear me up, and it'd be something I could never forget. But it's interesting that that loss is what is fueling his recklessness. Like he said, if he stops or even slows down, someone else will die. It's a very interesting take on his character. David Nabbit is his name. I'm actually glad we don't see t anymore after this episode. I don't hate the character, and he is funny (I like David Herman). But that nerdy, geeky fanboy feels out of place with the darker tone of Angel and his crew. He'd fit in a little better on Buffy, but here, it's a bit much. What more can I add to your review of Lorne this episode? Andy Hallett was a beautiful light in this show. This episode is such a great indicator of how any combination of characters on the show is gold. The cast was always on point. Yes to all of the above, Caleb. I do wish Alonna was mentioned a bit more, since, as you said, it is a big part of his character. It would have been cool to see Gunn opening up to Wesley, and especially Fred about her. Would have been good to explore that more with him and a different character. Especially since during Angel Season 4 the writers even said they were not sure where to take Gunn. Thanks for the correction on David Nabbit, I'll fix it. Yeah, I understand. He doesn't fit in exactly. Maybe if he had a bit of a send off or something it would have felt less random. Love the cast! It still amazes me that they brought Cordelia from Buffy to Angel. It was so weird (although not for me since I watched Angel first) but it worked so well! Especially when Joss and David Greenwalt explain it on the Angel series premier commentary.
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Post by ag25 on Nov 1, 2020 2:39:19 GMT
Angel Season 2 Ep. 5 Dear Boy – 10-24-2000/2020 Ah, here we are at one of my favorite episodes. There are several more, so you might hear me say (write lol) that a lot. A wonderful episode that shifts the Angel/Darla storyline into high gear. We finally learn what Darla is doing, that she was brought back human, and that she and Wolfram & Hart are messing with Angel in a very deep and bad way…as we will see later on. Yay, the return of Drusilla! So cool to see her as a human, which is rare, and to discover a little more of her background and history. I always love the flashback convent scene. It is kind of awkward and weird because Angelus and Darla are rolling around and ignoring Drusilla who is crying and laughing in the corner. Sometimes, I do giggle a bit at this because I wonder about the 3 of them filming this and the idea of David and Julie making out in Juliet’s lap is funny! I bet they laughed at it too. Anyway, this scene is fantastic because it’s full of tension, drama, and information leading up to Dru’s transformation. I also love the shot of Darla and Angelus where she comes into the convent and she hugs him and they put their foreheads together and then slowly turn to look at Drusilla just before Darla asks “What is she doing here?”. It resembles the shot when Spike and Dru were introduced and they do the same thing in Buffy Season 2. A nice call back and I love both shots! I like the sort of B storyline of Cordy’s vision and the mush monster. A good lead in to the A story. Also love Gunn’s line of “since when is it a game”. I love it when we see the other characters display loyalty to the mission, fighting the good fight, and helping people, not just Angel. Shame on you Angel for driving away a paying client, lol! I did enjoy the client whos’ wife was cheating on him and he thought she got abducted by aliens. The actor did a good job. I love Angel’s joke about not going to church and his thing for convents. I thought it was funny, too, Angel. Also, lol at Angel caring about his age, and the scene where he is describing to Wesley and Cordelia about seeing Darla “in between the clown and the giant talking hot dog”. I like Darla’s scene with Lindsey. Great to hear her side and feelings on things, especially since she was killed and brought back to torment her killer. Ah, Angel singing again. He should stick to Manilow, lol. But good to see Lorne give him advice and tell him that Darla is his wrong path. As much as I am annoyed at Kate for her bias against Angel, but I do like that she cares about the people who get caught in the crossfire. I do agree with her on that, not about her blaming Angel for it, but that someone should care and watch out for them as well. I love that Cordy, Wesley, and even Gunn are so loyal to Angel. The climactic scene in the underground water tank place is sooooo loaded with many things and very dramatic it’s one of my favorite scenes! The writers manage to pack a lot into it with addressing souls and humanity, good and evil, Buffy, Angelus, Darla and Angelus’ past all along with lots of foreshadowing, or at least implications of what comes next. Also, David and Julie do a fantastic job! The mind games and the back and forth of teasing the audience of will Angelus be freed are great. The conversations Angel and Darla have about their souls and Buffy are especially good. I really love that this (and later on) is Angel and Darla’s second chances with their souls. I think it is sweet, not only for them to gain redemption, but to help fix each other. More on this is later episodes…I don’t want to get ahead of myself too soon, lol. Is this the first time Angel has bitten someone since Buffy and Rebecca from Season 1’s Eternity? Interesting. Did anyone else notice that sometimes when Angel says Darla’s name, there is a bit of an accent, probably Irish, or stress on the name? Cool touch, and good for David doing so subtly. Interesting that both Buffy and Angel episode 5’s are important episodes that give us information for the rest of their respective seasons. All in all, a great episode that really starts us on the whirlwind of things that happen this season. Happy Halloween, everyone!
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Post by PreachCaleb on Nov 3, 2020 14:52:04 GMT
Man, what else can I add to this episode. Once the Angel/Darla picks up, season 2 reaches incredible highs with the characters and stories.
Gunn is almost the Riley of the series. Sometimes the writers forget just how much potential the character has. He displays some great moments and lines just like that. And it goes back to what's great about the show: character. To Wes, this was a calling. To Cordy, a business. But Gunn got into this for survival. It makes sense he'd see things differently. Angel always seemed to want to be the guy doing all the fighting. Whereas Gunn made sure that everyone in his crew had training and took turns being look out. I'd say as a leader, Gunn did a better job of making sure his crew was better prepared to handle the evil in LA. When Angel fires his team, they're all lost and unsure of what to do and bicker among themselves. When Gunn left his crew, they kept going without him. Though they do stray come season 3. But for now, they seemed better prepared to handle life without their former leader. Him standing up to the cops was also pretty cool. And it was great that he was the one who realized that Angel couldn't have broken in without an invitation.
Same here. Whatever her feelings are about Angel, she's right. The bodies will continue to pile up. I like that she's there to keep Angel in check with that. This is actually Kate at my favorite. It keeps the show far more interesting if Angel has to contend not only with Wolfram and Hart and all the evil in LA, but also the good guys.
The final scene with Angel and Darla in the water tank is one of the show's best. It delivers everything. High drama and stakes, no pun intended. I compare it to Angel and Holtz's final scene in Tomorrow in that it's a verbal battle. There was no big fight to end the episode. In this case, it's just two former lovers trying to rip into each other and cut deep. Darla telling Angel her boy is still in there. Angel mocking her for her jealousy towards Buffy. It comes off more as a bad break up.
The Drusilla scenes are a great parallel to the Darla scenes from Season 1. Re-introduce the character through flashbacks, and then when the audience least expects it, have them show up in the present for a huge shock. From this point on through Epiphany, this is season 2 at its best.
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Post by ag25 on Nov 21, 2020 0:22:46 GMT
Angel S2 Ep.6 Guise Will Be Guise 11-7-2000/2020 I really like this Wesley centric episode. I love that we get to see bumbling Wesley, but also more of his physical skills and knowledge. And Wesley gets the girl! Good for him! I think Wesley did a good job imitating Angel. It was comical but not too silly and had its good and dramatic moments; a pretty good balance. I think this could be a good Halloween episode that has nothing to do with the holiday (there are others I can think of in both Buffy and Angel, but that is for another post, lol). The title, Guise Will Be Guise is fantastic! I always like it when the titles have double meanings and/or are cleaver. The opening was cool. A good follow up to the end of Dear Boy where there was a lot of weight behind Angel’s “bring it on” line. Good use of dark humor but not yet allowing us to see the real drama this situation will become, but still setting the tone for this episode. Not really a Buffy reference, but I love that Lorne tells Angel "once more with less feeling". Just makes me giggle thinking about the musical episode. Love Cordelia pretending to be Angel, lol! "List all of my sins, then alphabetize them…thinking of snapping on Thursday", lol! Love it! I really like Virginia. She is a normal woman who knows about witchcraft and the supernatural world. If I wasn’t such a Wesley/Fred person, I would really like him with her. Lol at calling Angel a eunich! I love the eunich jokes! Poor Angel. One thing that I wish is that the Wesley as Angel story and the Angel going to see the swamie were two separate episodes. They both work very well here, don’t get me wrong, but I think the swamie storyline was strong enough for it’s own episode, and I wanted to explore it more and see Angel in “therapy” lol. Even though the swamie was an imposter, I think he was right about many of the things he said about Angel. It would have been interesting to continue that and see more of it in a comical but also dramatic way. I will admit it is still confusing to me about why the swamie was killed and they needed to keep Angel away, but the conspirator competitor guy even saw “Angel” and wasn’t concerned until the imposter called him. If the bartender was the leak, wouldn’t the rival guy know about Angel leaving? Wouldn’t he have orchestrated it? To get Angel out of the way, yes, this makes sense, but he wasn’t bothered when he saw them. I guess this is either a problem with the episode, or it needed to be explained better. I don't have a lot to say about this one because I think this is a good, solid episode. Fun, different, and even got to dig a little bit deeper into Wesley and Angel’s characters.
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Post by ag25 on Nov 21, 2020 0:55:46 GMT
Man, what else can I add to this episode. Once the Angel/Darla picks up, season 2 reaches incredible highs with the characters and stories. Gunn is almost the Riley of the series. Sometimes the writers forget just how much potential the character has. He displays some great moments and lines just like that. And it goes back to what's great about the show: character. To Wes, this was a calling. To Cordy, a business. But Gunn got into this for survival. It makes sense he'd see things differently. Angel always seemed to want to be the guy doing all the fighting. Whereas Gunn made sure that everyone in his crew had training and took turns being look out. I'd say as a leader, Gunn did a better job of making sure his crew was better prepared to handle the evil in LA. When Angel fires his team, they're all lost and unsure of what to do and bicker among themselves. When Gunn left his crew, they kept going without him. Though they do stray come season 3. But for now, they seemed better prepared to handle life without their former leader. Him standing up to the cops was also pretty cool. And it was great that he was the one who realized that Angel couldn't have broken in without an invitation. Same here. Whatever her feelings are about Angel, she's right. The bodies will continue to pile up. I like that she's there to keep Angel in check with that. This is actually Kate at my favorite. It keeps the show far more interesting if Angel has to contend not only with Wolfram and Hart and all the evil in LA, but also the good guys. The final scene with Angel and Darla in the water tank is one of the show's best. It delivers everything. High drama and stakes, no pun intended. I compare it to Angel and Holtz's final scene in Tomorrow in that it's a verbal battle. There was no big fight to end the episode. In this case, it's just two former lovers trying to rip into each other and cut deep. Darla telling Angel her boy is still in there. Angel mocking her for her jealousy towards Buffy. It comes off more as a bad break up. The Drusilla scenes are a great parallel to the Darla scenes from Season 1. Re-introduce the character through flashbacks, and then when the audience least expects it, have them show up in the present for a huge shock. From this point on through Epiphany, this is season 2 at its best. Once again Caleb, I agree with everything you said! Yes, Gunn is almost the Riley of Angel, but despite the writers sometimes forgetting about him and relegating him to "muscle" or not fully meeting his potential as a character, he was still utilized so much more and better. I felt that he always had a place with the group and on the show. Gunn is underrated and underappreciated, so it's always nice to see him get recognition. And, yes, I think he is a much better leader than Angel. Do you think it was a missed opportunity or something that Gunn was not chosen as leader of Angel Investigations instead of Wesley? (No offense to Wes, I adore him and think he did a good job as leader. And it was great to tie in later on in Season 3 with his storyline). Yep. It's very interesting and adds more depth to see Angel have to deal with Kate and the collateral damage along with the "big battles". I wish we could have seen more of this, but I get why we didn't. I LOVE verbal battles! They are so underrated (here and in other media) because most people want to see fighting and action, but, if done well, you still get all of that tension and high stakes, and here, as you said, is one of the shows best. I like your non-pun, lol. Yeah, it comes off as a bad break up scene that could have been silly or cheesy, but it is written so well (kudos to David Greenwalt) and packed with so much more from the past to what is to come in the future, that it comes off as epic and such good drama. Yes, I love Angel and Holtz's final scene and exchange, and it's a good comparison. This is also why Souless from Season 4 is one of my favorites from that season. Gosh, I didn't even realize the parallel with Darla and Drusilla! Yes, that's awesome. A nice build up, too. Thanks for pointing that out. Absolutely right, Season 2 at it's best!
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Post by PreachCaleb on Nov 30, 2020 15:13:15 GMT
Now that you mention it, yes, I do see this as a big missed opportunity. I would've loved to have seen either one episode-a-piece or just one episode on its own, where Wes, Cordy, and Gunn all take a turn at leading the team on a different case each, and then as a team, all decide that Wes was best equipped to handle leadership. That would've added not only some fun seeing Cordy and Gunn being in charge, but would also really cement that they chose their new leader as a team. As it stands now, it almost feels like being leader just fell into Wesley's lap.
Absolutely agree. Funny how Angelus was far scarier when he was locked up than when he was free.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Nov 30, 2020 15:17:02 GMT
Angel S2 Ep.6 Guise Will Be Guise 11-7-2000/2020 I really like this Wesley centric episode. I love that we get to see bumbling Wesley, but also more of his physical skills and knowledge. And Wesley gets the girl! Good for him! I think Wesley did a good job imitating Angel. It was comical but not too silly and had its good and dramatic moments; a pretty good balance. I think this could be a good Halloween episode that has nothing to do with the holiday (there are others I can think of in both Buffy and Angel, but that is for another post, lol). The title, Guise Will Be Guise is fantastic! I always like it when the titles have double meanings and/or are cleaver. The opening was cool. A good follow up to the end of Dear Boy where there was a lot of weight behind Angel’s “bring it on” line. Good use of dark humor but not yet allowing us to see the real drama this situation will become, but still setting the tone for this episode. Not really a Buffy reference, but I love that Lorne tells Angel "once more with less feeling". Just makes me giggle thinking about the musical episode. Love Cordelia pretending to be Angel, lol! "List all of my sins, then alphabetize them…thinking of snapping on Thursday", lol! Love it! I really like Virginia. She is a normal woman who knows about witchcraft and the supernatural world. If I wasn’t such a Wesley/Fred person, I would really like him with her. Lol at calling Angel a eunich! I love the eunich jokes! Poor Angel. One thing that I wish is that the Wesley as Angel story and the Angel going to see the swamie were two separate episodes. lol. Even though the swamie was an imposter, I think he was right about many of the things he said about Angel. It would have been interesting to continue that and see more of it in a comical but also dramatic way. I will admit it is still confusing to me about why the swamie was killed and To get Angel out of the way, yes, this makes sense, but he wasn’t bothered when he saw them. I guess this is either a problem with the episode, or it needed to be explained better. I don't have a lot to say about this one because I think this is a good, solid episode. Fun, different, and even got to dig a little bit deeper into Wesley and Angel’s characters. I would've liked that. Though I think the fact that Angel doesn't get his therapy is definitely what keeps him spiraling down.
I think it just comes down to the fact that when Wes showed up pretending to be Angel, the conspirator just assumed that his plan to lure him away didn't work.
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Post by ag25 on Dec 2, 2020 5:52:30 GMT
Angel Season 2 Ep. 6 Darla – 11-14-2000/2020 This is another one of my favorite Angel episodes! There is so much to talk about and unpack that I will probably miss things. Darla is one of my favorite supporting characters, and to have an entire episode focus on her and all of the Fanged Four Family (Darla, Angel(us), Drusilla, and Spike) as well as all of the wonderful flashbacks was great! I love that it is all about the theme of a soul and the different aspects of it; questioning the nature of souls and humanity, what it means, how to “fix” it, etc. Love Darla’s “soul mates” line (and the smashed mirrors). It’s so fascinating to see her act like a vampire while being a human. Good insight into what we missed with Angel when he was going through it. What is Darla (or anyone) with a soul, Angel, Spike, Harmony, people with souls? The vampire demon? Etc. This is a well paced episode, I think. Not too fast, not too slow, and cool editing with the flashbacks. Interesting that Angelus had 3 other family members, and that Angel in the present has 3 other family members too. Kind of a cool contrast. Cool that this episode opens with both Angel and Darla sitting in chairs thinking about each other with stuff strewn all over the floor with someone trying to help them. Kind of a mirror scene(s). Interesting that Darla tries to get the gypsies to take Angel’s soul back, when she was the one who brought the gypsy girl to Angelus. And that they seek vengeance on them even though she kicks him out as we saw in the flashback from Season 1. I love her expression after the reveal that Spike killed the gypsy guy’s family, her leverage, and she looks so defeated. My only real complaint is the dialogue when Darla is talking about how she feels her human body decaying and that the soul is like a cancer. Fine on it’s own, but after the next few episodes, definitely The Trial, in retrospect it is a little confusing. But it is still a great moment/scene and totally drives the point home, so I won’t complain too much, lol. Cool that we touch on what happens to vampires when they are dusted. They just stop existing apparently. Yet, we also have Buffy’s references to heaven or a heavenlike place. Very interesting to touch on these things. In the opening Darla and The Master look at The Master as her savior, and that’s also what Darla looks to Angel to be for her at the end. Book ends for the episode in my opinion. Love it when that happens. Go Gunn and showing his knowledge about tax write offs concerning Wolfram & Hart housing Darla. I think Gunn is underestimated sometimes and I love it when we get to see things like this. It was a nice touch with Angelus having a snuff box in the flashback with Darla and The Master. Darla = Dear One, she calls Angelus her Darling Boy, cool connection. Love the scene where Angel is “questioning” Lindsey. I mean, Lindsey does kind of deserve it, lol. Also love Lindsey’s snarky line to Holland at the end of “did you renotify his family” when he sees the security guard he thought was dead. One of my favorite scenes is the second to last flashback with Darla, Angel, and the baby. The tension and her anger are great. Love the line she says “while Spike, SPIKE, was out killing a Slayer, you were saving missionaries…from me.” I love Julie’s delivery. I also like the camera shot of it panning from Darla to the baby then to Angel. Lots of great scenes in this episode, especially between Angel and Darla, so emotionally charged with twists and turns. They are both getting to know each other even more than they already did and in a different way despite already knowing each other for 150 years. It’s sweet that he wants so badly to help her deal with her soul and most likely gain redemption for herself. While she gets to experience what Angel went through when he got his soul (which was her fault by the way) and to maybe understand him on another level. Love that! Cordy seems very protective of Angel in this episode, as does Wesley. This is probably because she has first hand knowledge of Angelus from Sunnydale and didn’t want Darla to take advantage of him in any way. But, obviously, also because of their friendship/family bond. Love her telling Angel that he’s “not alone”. Very sweet. The ending scene (really the whole episode) is kind of like a Part 2 of Angel and Darla’s scene in Dear Boy towards the end. Again they are talking about souls, humanity, their history, and she leaves at the end. Such good writing. Also being a companion/crossover episode to Buffy’s Fool for Love was brilliant. So cool that these episodes deal with Darla and Buffy dealing with their identities and who they are. Can’t praise this episode (and Fool for Love) enough!
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Post by PreachCaleb on Dec 7, 2020 22:46:50 GMT
And now we come to my favorite episode of Angel Season 2 (And easily top 5 favorite Angel episodes of all time).
To start off with, I love Darla's line about being soulmates for two reasons. 1) It's a great callback to "Dear Boy" where Angel told her pretty soon her soul would start to feel the weight of everything she's done. And 2) I love the inversion of what a soul means here. For Buffy, being soulmates with Angel is a joy. A sign of true love. For Darla, being his soulmate is a curse. A constant reminder of all the evil they've done together. She's hurting, and she knows Angel was right. It's maddening to her.
There's a lot of great stuff all throughout this episode just as in "Fool for Love." Action, comedy, tragedy, and of course, flashbacks.
I just see it as foreshadowing to what will become Angel's biggest failure since the death of Tina in "City of."
I also love how protective Cordy is of Angel. She has been defending him all season, against Gunn, against Kate, and now against Darla. No wonder she was so hurt when he fired them all. Lindsey being snarky to Holland was some more great characterization for him, and it shows just how much of an impact Darla is having on everyone, not just Angel. Did Wolfram and Hart really think they could bring back one of the most cunning, manipulative vampires in history and think everything would run according to plan for them?
Just as with "Fool for Love," this episode belongs to the title character. Julie Benz is absolutely enchanting here. Just like with James Marsters, she proves more than capable of carrying pretty much an entire episode full of lore and myth while still fitting in with an entire cast of amazing actors. Not one moment is wasted here with Darla. We learned so much about who she was before we ever saw her on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. This is Darla's story as seen through the eyes of those around her. The cast and crew fit over 400 years of history into one episode and did it in a way that, to borrow a phrase from ag25, mirrors something we'd already seen. Darla and Angel's relationship is a darker reflection of Buffy and Angel's. Both start off with a whirlwind of emotion, and just as things are going well, both end because of the gypsy's curse. And neither relationship was ever the same afterwards.
Mark Metcalf's cameos were a wonderful surprise. I remember a big smile coming over my face when I realized it was The Master who was the "priest" that came to Darla. It was great seeing Buffy's first big bad come on over to Angel. It really hammers home just what a complex history all these characters had.
A complex history I had no idea would literally take center stage across two episodes from different points of view. Obviously, the Boxer Rebellion scene is the big one, but the gang running into Spike in the alley was the first sign that this episode was going to be much more than just a traditional flashback episode. Watching it only from Spike's point of view, it's a pretty strong moment for William. He's hurt, but he's angry enough to be blunt and curt with the people he ran into: "Watch where you're going!" It's him really standing up for himself. But from Darla's point of view, he was just some "drooling idiot" bumbling around, mouthing off to a trio who could easily rip him apart if the desire crossed their minds. He's just a loser to her.
Yet in the Boxer Rebellion flashbacks, things have again been flipped on their head. Spike has cemented himself as the Big Bad of the group by intentionally hunting down and killing a slayer.
Absolutely. That one line conveys everything that Darla is feeling towards Angelus. HE should've been the one to kill a slayer. HE should've been the one leading the massacre in China. Instead, we see that the scenes from Fool For Love where Angelus seems to be jealous of and annoyed with Spike were him just hiding his disgust and fear that the carnage was just getting started. In Darla's eyes, now Angelus is the loser. The man she had chosen to be her eternal companion--the one she left The Master for--was now just poor sap trying to save missionaries. From her.
The ending was a real gut punch, not just for Angel, but for me. My heart sunk when Darla exposes her neck to Angel, indicating she's reached rock bottom in her desperation. She would rather feel the ecstasy of evil than deal with the pain in her soul (something even Angel was occasionally reminisced about). And in the end, Angel fails to save the girl. A call back to City of, and a prelude to what will happen in The Trial. A chilling end to an epic night.
What more can I say about Fool for Love and Darla? This is without a doubt my favorite night of television when Buffy and Angel were originally airing. As I mentioned earlier, I knew we were in for some flashbacks, but I never foresaw that the flashbacks would intersect at several times. Though we'd had crossovers on the show with Oz, Spike, Faith, Buffy, and Angel hopping from one show to another, we hadn't had any flashback crossovers. That was wild to me. That these characters would be going through important, life changing events around one another, yet oblivious to what was happening to the other is a great metaphor to what goes on in our own lives. We don't always know what's going on even with our own friends and loved ones just because of what we're going through. And while the tone of their endings are both heartbreaking, it is different reasons. Spike's story ends with hope: He can feel some type of sympathy, if not empathy. He can put aside his own pain for someone else. But Darla's episode ends with despair. She can not bear the pain of her own past. She'd rather flee from the one person who can empathize with her and guide than deal with her pain. Add in to the fact you've pointed out both Darla and Buffy explore who they are as it relates to the vampires in their lives (something I'd never caught on), and it really made this night feel amazingly epic in its storytelling. This is why I love these two shows above all others.
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Post by ag25 on Jan 23, 2021 21:31:26 GMT
Angel Season 2 Ep. 8 The Shroud of Rahmon – 11-21-2000/2020 I think this is an underrated episode. It is a heist episode, which is cool and different, and the opening with Wesley where he is telling the events of the episode and most of it is a flashback was great! Also, Alexis’ acting was wonderful. Nice to see him straddle the line between serious and a little crazy. We get to see Angel and Gunn bond some more as well as being at odds more, and we finally get some resolution between Kate and Angel. I like the idea of a heist episode and I think it was executed relatively well here. I do wish that Cordy and Wes were more involved but I get why they weren’t. It was interesting to see the different members of the heist, not to mention Gunn’s cousin, how different they were, and why they each wanted the shroud. I didn’t think the demon guy was necessary, but it was interesting that he wanted to shroud because his people worshiped it (or Rahmon) or something. Lol at Angel for having to play the Vegas vamp! I love it when we get to see Angel playing an extrovert/flamboyant person/vamp. Nice to see David’s versatility and showing the Angel can act. It’s like Angel got to act like Angelus, or draw inspiration from him, except he got to act more extravagant. I bet David loved it and had so much fun. This reminds me back in Season 1 when Angel had to act like a human tourist with the hat and Hawaiian shirt, and he was asking the mobster Tony if where they were standing was where they got on the cruise, lol! Love that Angel knows and is excited about Chow Yun Fat! Ah, Cordelia cuts her hair. I am glad they make a point to mention it in the episode and make a joke out of it, but I prefer her long hair. I do understand Charisma/Cordy wanting to have short hair after 5(?) years with long though, lol. I feel like Kate finally gets over her anger towards Angel here. He could have killed her, especially since he was in an altered state of mind, but he didn’t. Which goes to show his strength of character. Instead he saves her, so now Kate understands (or it is finally driven home) that Angel really is a different/nice vampire. I love the tension and rivalry between Angel and Gunn. It shows their two different leadership styles, and the episode allows them to air out some of their differences. Good point on virgin sacrifices, Cordy, lol! And how much did she actually steal? Angel’s blood lust had already been awakened when he tasted Darla in Dear Boy, and then before that when he bit Rebecca in Eternity when he sort of reverted to Angelus, and then of course at the end of Buffy Season 3 when he bit her. So it is not the first time in a long time, but it is nice that the show acknowledges that it is something Angel still has to deal with. I think sometimes we forget about that. Overall, a good monster of the week/heist episode that's a bit different and changes things up a bit, and has good character development with Angel, Gunn, and Kate, with good exposition and comic relief from Cordelia and Wesley.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Jan 27, 2021 15:29:11 GMT
Easily my favorite part of the episode. Just watching Angel being so loud and flamboyant is a hoot.
I do like that it's brought up in this episode because, yes, sometimes we forget about it, but it also harkens back to one of the original ideas of the show: Angel as a recovering alcoholic. It brings it full circle for the characters to always worry whether he will fall of the wagon, so to speak, and lose his soul. Little did they know that Angel wouldn't need to lose his soul to spiral down into the darkness and bloodlust, as the next several episodes will show.
I love Tony Todd being a guest star in this episode. His presence as a horror icon just really lends more gravitas to the show's horror roots.
I'd never actually thought about that, but I think you're right. And now that I think about it, it's reinforced in Reunion when she lets Angel go so he can stop Darla and Dru. Sadly, her faith in him blows up in her face when she learns what he did, and it just plunges her further down into her own darkness.
Lots of good bits and pieces in this episode.
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