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Post by Rodney Farber on Oct 8, 2020 17:09:37 GMT
... So instead, He (God) brought us here, gave us basic directions, held on to us for a while, sending us Moses and the prophets and then the sages, and then eventually, took off the training wheels and let us go.... ... As a professed Jew, I'm going assume that "basic directions" means the Old Testament. If he "let us go", why do we bother to pray to Him? He's gone. Let's take a look at some of His "basic directions": "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." (Exodus 20:3) Is He admitting there are other Gods? If a woman touches a man's private parts, cut off her hands (Deuteronomy 25:11-12) The courts would not let me do that to my first wife when I caught her fondling our neighbor. It's OK to own and beat slaves as long as they don't die within a couple of days. (Exodus 21: 20-21) Unruly children should be stoned to death (Deuteronomy 21: 18-21) Adultery is punishable by death (Leviticus 20:10) How did Donald Trump get away with it? How do you feel about Richard Dawkins' quote: “The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Oct 8, 2020 17:14:05 GMT
... So instead, He (God) brought us here, gave us basic directions, held on to us for a while, sending us Moses and the prophets and then the sages, and then eventually, took off the training wheels and let us go.... ... As a professed Jew, I'm going assume that "basic directions" means the Old Testament. If he "let us go", why do we bother to pray to him? He's gone. Let's take a look at some of His "basic directions": "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." (Exodus 20:3) Is He admitting there are other Gods? If a woman touches a man's private parts, cut off her hands (Deuteronomy 25:11-12) The courts would not let me do that to my first wife when I caught her fondling our neighbor. It's OK to own and beat slaves as long as they don't die within a couple of days. (Exodus 21: 20-21) Unruly children should be stoned to death (Deuteronomy 21: 18-21) Adultery is punishable by death (Leviticus 20:10) How did Donald Trump get away with it?How do you feel about Richard Dawkins' quote: “The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.” Probably the same way Bill Clinton got away with it.
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Post by SciFive on Oct 8, 2020 17:28:18 GMT
... So instead, He (God) brought us here, gave us basic directions, held on to us for a while, sending us Moses and the prophets and then the sages, and then eventually, took off the training wheels and let us go.... ... As a professed Jew, I'm going assume that "basic directions" means the Old Testament. Professed in what way? I’ve never been to a Hebrew school class or a synagogue in my entire life where a Jew called the Torah or the Tanach “The Old Testament”. |
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Post by SciFive on Oct 8, 2020 17:31:54 GMT
Anyone who despises western civilization and Judeo-Christian culture can wallow in their oh-so fashionable rants as the ultimate in virtue signalling.
Try Yemen. It’s not western.
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Post by Rodney Farber on Oct 8, 2020 17:59:10 GMT
As a professed Jew, I'm going assume that "basic directions" means the Old Testament. Professed in what way? I’ve never been to a Hebrew school class or a synagogue in my entire life where a Jew called the Torah or the Tanach “The Old Testament”. You have stated you are Jewish on at least two posts.
Fine, wherever I said, "Old Testament", substitute, "Hebrew Scriptures" or "Torah" or whatever you like. Now, go answer the question(s) as to why God is so evil in your book.
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Post by Rodney Farber on Oct 8, 2020 18:08:02 GMT
Anyone who despises western civilization and Judeo-Christian culture can wallow in their oh-so fashionable rants as the ultimate in virtue signalling. Try Yemen. It’s not western. I embrace western civilization. Do you? You're just evading the evilness of the Torah.
If I sell my daughter into slavery as authorized by Exodus 21:7, what's a fair price for her? Should I wait until after she graduates from law school?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Oct 8, 2020 18:14:21 GMT
Professed in what way? I’ve never been to a Hebrew school class or a synagogue in my entire life where a Jew called the Torah or the Tanach “The Old Testament”. You have stated you are Jewish on at least two posts.
Fine, wherever I said, "Old Testament", substitute, "Hebrew Scriptures" or "Torah" or whatever you like. Now, go answer the question(s) as to why God is so evil in your book.
It would have looked better if you had originally said, "....what Christians call the Old Testament."
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Post by SciFive on Oct 8, 2020 18:22:02 GMT
Professed in what way? I’ve never been to a Hebrew school class or a synagogue in my entire life where a Jew called the Torah or the Tanach “The Old Testament”. You have stated you are Jewish on at least two posts.
Fine, wherever I said, "Old Testament", substitute, "Hebrew Scriptures" or "Torah" or whatever you like. Now, go answer the question(s) as to why God is so evil in your book.
Only screaming bashees think God is evil in Jewish scripture. Try Yemen. |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Oct 8, 2020 19:06:08 GMT
You have stated you are Jewish on at least two posts.
Fine, wherever I said, "Old Testament", substitute, "Hebrew Scriptures" or "Torah" or whatever you like. Now, go answer the question(s) as to why God is so evil in your book.
Only screaming bashees think God is evil in Jewish scripture. Try Yemen. In the OP he says he's a Jew and then a few minutes later he's calling out the evil of "your book." Apparently, Rodney Farber wasn't in charge here. His brain was. 
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Post by SciFive on Oct 9, 2020 3:29:10 GMT
Anyone who despises western civilization and Judeo-Christian culture can wallow in their oh-so fashionable rants as the ultimate in virtue signalling. Try Yemen. It’s not western. I embrace western civilization. Do you? You're just evading the evilness of the Torah.
If I sell my daughter into slavery as authorized by Exodus 21:7, what's a fair price for her? Should I wait until after she graduates from law school?
Do you live without electricity in a tent while wearing robes and walking everywhere you go unless you have a donkey you can ride? Do you live as if it was 3300 years ago? Your wild accusations against the Jewish Bible are antisemitic bullsh*t. |
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Post by SciFive on Oct 9, 2020 3:47:10 GMT
The “cancel culture” is unhappy that 3300 year old scripture isn’t politically correct enough for the 21st Century. It’s also very fashionable to attack Jews for the Jewish Bible (and Christians for having the Jewish Bible included in their Bible).
Obviously, this is part of the “burning down America to save it” mentality that is a disease in America right now, but just for the record....
The actual laws in ancient Israel never allowed anyone to have their hands cut off. People were almost never executed. No one poked out anyone’s eye in retaliation for their own eye being poked out. No one was executed for adultery.
God several times took the sides of women over men (i.e., God telling Abraham “LISTEN TO YOUR WIFE” when Sarah wanted to kick Ishmael and his mother out of Abraham’s tents because Ishmael was dangerous for their toddler named Isaac). God also went along with Rebecca when she fooled Isaac in his old years about which twin son to give his spiritual legacy. Rebecca knew Jacob was better for it and God backed the trick she played on Isaac while he was a blind old man.
In one scene in the Bible, a group of sisters are arguing that they should get their father’s inheritance since he had no sons. God stepped in to say that the women were right. It’s a conversation in the Jewish Bible where God again stands up for women.
Most of the laws in the Jewish Bible are tort laws. How do people handle civil complaints? The “cutting off of a hand” wasn’t literal. It meant that money from their work had to be paid to settle a dispute. People worked with their hands, mostly.
“An eye for an eye” was about paying restitution fairly (i.e., not paying as if a person died when they only lost a leg). If you poke someone’s eye out, you pay restitution for the value of their eye, not as if they lost both legs or their life.
The only mention I’ve ever seen in the Bible about a woman touching another man’s private parts (not her husband’s) is a law about how women are allowed to save their husband’s lives by attacking killers in their private parts. It says that if a woman is trying to save her husband’s life from the attack of another man, it is permitted for the woman to grab the other man in his “embarrassing place” as a form of defense to save her husband.
This raging drooling hatred of the Jewish Bible isn’t mere disagreement. It’s hatred.
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Post by SciFive on Oct 9, 2020 5:27:03 GMT
If you study the Jewish Bible for the purpose of attacking Jews, it’s antisemitism.
It’s not mere disagreement.
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Post by rizdek on Oct 9, 2020 9:40:59 GMT
I take the 'as a professed Jew' to be about SciFi and not you, right?
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Post by SciFive on Oct 9, 2020 10:00:11 GMT
I take the 'as a professed Jew' to be about SciFi and not you, right? Shoot - you’re probably right. Often, people say, “As a Jew, I think....” My apologies for thinking the OP was describing himself and not me. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Oct 9, 2020 10:49:46 GMT
... So instead, He (God) brought us here, gave us basic directions, held on to us for a while, sending us Moses and the prophets and then the sages, and then eventually, took off the training wheels and let us go.... ... As a professed Jew, I'm going assume that "basic directions" means the Old Testament. If he "let us go", why do we bother to pray to Him? He's gone. Let's take a look at some of His "basic directions": "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." (Exodus 20:3) Is He admitting there are other Gods? If a woman touches a man's private parts, cut off her hands (Deuteronomy 25:11-12) The courts would not let me do that to my first wife when I caught her fondling our neighbor. It's OK to own and beat slaves as long as they don't die within a couple of days. (Exodus 21: 20-21) Unruly children should be stoned to death (Deuteronomy 21: 18-21) Adultery is punishable by death (Leviticus 20:10) How did Donald Trump get away with it? How do you feel about Richard Dawkins' quote: “The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.” Old Testament times were very brutal and immoral before you count the "Chosen." It is not clear how that happened. Many assume it was a condition of the "fallen world" and the "Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil," or perhaps "free will" run amok. The god of the Old Testament does not accept the blame for that. Rather the Old Testament is the story of that god teaching people how to introduce morality into this world. It was a long and slow process, obviously not complete yet. Richard Dawkins is neither intelligent nor especially well educated. You should disregard his opinions, just as people will disregard yours if you don't learn history better.
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Post by SciFive on Oct 9, 2020 11:06:44 GMT
In Israel, I’ve heard Jews call the Jewish Bible a PR Disaster because of some of the blunt things that go on while the ancient Hebrews are getting their national identity and their goals set as the ones who introduce Ethical Monotheism to the world.
Inside the Jewish religious world, there’s no way to stop what others think, but the Torah is considered to be amazing in Hebrew with a genius that can’t even be explained (with double meanings, puns, etc).
The ancient world was rife with people who sacrified human beings to their pagan gods. It was unspeakable horror and God took action about it.
The Hebrews were asked to kill all the Canaanites because of this, but the Hebrews didn’t do it.
It’s one thing if the Creator of the Universe wants to take responsibility for something like this when He is known to be good, but people aren’t so confident in themselves.
There’s so much goodness in the Jewish Bible. We can’t help it if others don’t see it.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Oct 9, 2020 18:56:49 GMT
As a professed Jew, I'm going assume that "basic directions" means the Old Testament. If he "let us go", why do we bother to pray to him? He's gone. Let's take a look at some of His "basic directions": "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." (Exodus 20:3) Is He admitting there are other Gods? If a woman touches a man's private parts, cut off her hands (Deuteronomy 25:11-12) The courts would not let me do that to my first wife when I caught her fondling our neighbor. It's OK to own and beat slaves as long as they don't die within a couple of days. (Exodus 21: 20-21) Unruly children should be stoned to death (Deuteronomy 21: 18-21) Adultery is punishable by death (Leviticus 20:10) How did Donald Trump get away with it?How do you feel about Richard Dawkins' quote: “The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.” Probably the same way Bill Clinton got away with it. Clinton got away with it like Trump got away with shaking down Ukraine.
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Post by Rodney Farber on Oct 9, 2020 22:24:33 GMT
You have stated you are Jewish on at least two posts.
Fine, wherever I said, "Old Testament", substitute, "Hebrew Scriptures" or "Torah" or whatever you like. Now, go answer the question(s) as to why God is so evil in your book.
Only screaming bashees think God is evil in Jewish scripture. Try Yemen. You share one humongous trait with Christians: You cherry-pick the passages you wish to honor.
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Post by SciFive on Oct 9, 2020 22:31:53 GMT
Only screaming bashees think God is evil in Jewish scripture. Try Yemen. You share one humongous trait with Christians: You cherry-pick the passages you wish to honor. You cherry pick and misinterpret passages as a way of attacking Jews and Christians. It’s called bigotry. |
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Oct 10, 2020 20:00:44 GMT
You share one humongous trait with Christians: You cherry-pick the passages you wish to honor. You cherry pick and misinterpret passages as a way of attacking Jews and Christians. It’s called bigotry. Thank goodness God in the OT is actually kind, loving, never wrathful or violent and goes out of his way to preserve human life then, eh?
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