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Post by SciFive on Oct 10, 2020 20:13:01 GMT
Believers (well, Jews) do actually see God as kind and loving to us, although he scolded like a father at times.
God was at war against paganism that practiced human sacrifice. It was unspeakable horror.
I don’t care who doesn’t accept this.
It’s the Jewish perspective.
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Post by Rodney Farber on Oct 11, 2020 1:02:30 GMT
You share one humongous trait with Christians: You cherry-pick the passages you wish to honor. You cherry pick and misinterpret passages as a way of attacking Jews and Christians. It’s called bigotry. You're big on name calling and short on providing substantiation for your claim.
How did I misinterpret Leviticus 20:10 by saying that God wants adulterers to be punished by death?
How did I misinterpret Deuteronomy 21 by saying that God wants unruly children to be stoned to death?
My interpretation of the great flood is that God killed millions of innocent children, including those in the womb. What's your interpretation? Of all the humans on earth, only a handful were worth saving?
How do you interpret Shemot, chapter 21, verse 17: And one who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death.
Remember, you're the one who started this thread with your assertion that the Torah contains God's "basic directions". Christians, Jews and Muslims (and others) can believe whatever they want. When you assert that your beliefs are "fact", is when I interject.
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Post by SciFive on Oct 11, 2020 5:24:13 GMT
Rodney FarberI was presenting the Jewish perspective from a Jewish teaching group of rabbis about why God doesn’t prove His existence today.. I’m not asking anyone to believe anything. It was information.
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Post by SciFive on Oct 11, 2020 6:08:33 GMT
Look at how some people expect to corner Jews as if we are living in Europe in the decades prior to the Holocaust.
No one is being asked to believe anything they don’t already believe.
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Post by SciFive on Oct 11, 2020 6:30:13 GMT
One of the 13 Principles of Faith established by the greatest Jewish philosopher in our history (who lived 800 years ago) is the belief in Divine Justice.
Those who don’t get justice in this life receive it directly from God in the next world.
“Shall surely die...” in the Bible isn’t “they were executed.”
It’s a way of saying that bad behavior can cut people off from the community or the Jewish nation.
No one else is asked to believe this.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Oct 11, 2020 10:44:02 GMT
The “cancel culture” is unhappy that 3300 year old scripture isn’t politically correct enough for the 21st Century. It’s also very fashionable to attack Jews for the Jewish Bible (and Christians for having the Jewish Bible included in their Bible). Obviously, this is part of the “burning down America to save it” mentality that is a disease in America right now, but just for the record.... The actual laws in ancient Israel never allowed anyone to have their hands cut off. People were almost never executed. No one poked out anyone’s eye in retaliation for their own eye being poked out. No one was executed for adultery. God several times took the sides of women over men (i.e., God telling Abraham “LISTEN TO YOUR WIFE” when Sarah wanted to kick Ishmael and his mother out of Abraham’s tents because Ishmael was dangerous for their toddler named Isaac). God also went along with Rebecca when she fooled Isaac in his old years about which twin son to give his spiritual legacy. Rebecca knew Jacob was better for it and God backed the trick she played on Isaac while he was a blind old man. In one scene in the Bible, a group of sisters are arguing that they should get their father’s inheritance since he had no sons. God stepped in to say that the women were right. It’s a conversation in the Jewish Bible where God again stands up for women. Most of the laws in the Jewish Bible are tort laws. How do people handle civil complaints? The “cutting off of a hand” wasn’t literal. It meant that money from their work had to be paid to settle a dispute. People worked with their hands, mostly. “An eye for an eye” was about paying restitution fairly (i.e., not paying as if a person died when they only lost a leg). If you poke someone’s eye out, you pay restitution for the value of their eye, not as if they lost both legs or their life. The only mention I’ve ever seen in the Bible about a woman touching another man’s private parts (not her husband’s) is a law about how women are allowed to save their husband’s lives by attacking killers in their private parts. It says that if a woman is trying to save her husband’s life from the attack of another man, it is permitted for the woman to grab the other man in his “embarrassing place” as a form of defense to save her husband. This raging drooling hatred of the Jewish Bible isn’t mere disagreement. It’s hatred. Religion is dead and deserves to be cancelled out regarding archaic custom and belief. Some of its creative culture can be worth preserving, but it doesn’t change the universal truth that religious god is dead. Time to move on and wake up.
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Post by SciFive on Oct 11, 2020 10:45:29 GMT
The “cancel culture” is unhappy that 3300 year old scripture isn’t politically correct enough for the 21st Century. It’s also very fashionable to attack Jews for the Jewish Bible (and Christians for having the Jewish Bible included in their Bible). Obviously, this is part of the “burning down America to save it” mentality that is a disease in America right now, but just for the record.... The actual laws in ancient Israel never allowed anyone to have their hands cut off. People were almost never executed. No one poked out anyone’s eye in retaliation for their own eye being poked out. No one was executed for adultery. God several times took the sides of women over men (i.e., God telling Abraham “LISTEN TO YOUR WIFE” when Sarah wanted to kick Ishmael and his mother out of Abraham’s tents because Ishmael was dangerous for their toddler named Isaac). God also went along with Rebecca when she fooled Isaac in his old years about which twin son to give his spiritual legacy. Rebecca knew Jacob was better for it and God backed the trick she played on Isaac while he was a blind old man. In one scene in the Bible, a group of sisters are arguing that they should get their father’s inheritance since he had no sons. God stepped in to say that the women were right. It’s a conversation in the Jewish Bible where God again stands up for women. Most of the laws in the Jewish Bible are tort laws. How do people handle civil complaints? The “cutting off of a hand” wasn’t literal. It meant that money from their work had to be paid to settle a dispute. People worked with their hands, mostly. “An eye for an eye” was about paying restitution fairly (i.e., not paying as if a person died when they only lost a leg). If you poke someone’s eye out, you pay restitution for the value of their eye, not as if they lost both legs or their life. The only mention I’ve ever seen in the Bible about a woman touching another man’s private parts (not her husband’s) is a law about how women are allowed to save their husband’s lives by attacking killers in their private parts. It says that if a woman is trying to save her husband’s life from the attack of another man, it is permitted for the woman to grab the other man in his “embarrassing place” as a form of defense to save her husband. This raging drooling hatred of the Jewish Bible isn’t mere disagreement. It’s hatred. Religion is dead and deserves to be cancelled out regarding archaic custom and belief. Some of its creative culture can be worth preserving, but it doesn’t change the universal truth that religious god is dead. Time to move on and wake up. Try telling this to 5 billion people and getting them to obey you.
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Post by SciFive on Oct 11, 2020 10:49:38 GMT
Actually, it's more than 5 billion people who believe in God...
How many believers are there around the world?
If you think religion belongs to the past and we live in a new age of reason, you need to check out the facts: 84% of the world’s population identifies with a religious group. Members of this demographic are generally younger and produce more children than those who have no religious affiliation, so the world is getting more religious, not less – although there are significant geographical variations.
According to 2015 figures, Christians form the biggest religious group by some margin, with 2.3 billion adherents or 31.2% of the total world population of 7.3 billion. Next come Muslims (1.8 billion, or 24.1%), Hindus (1.1 billion, or 15.1%) and Buddhists (500 million, or 6.9%).
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Oct 11, 2020 22:54:03 GMT
Religion is dead and deserves to be cancelled out regarding archaic custom and belief. Some of its creative culture can be worth preserving, but it doesn’t change the universal truth that religious god is dead. Time to move on and wake up. Try telling this to 5 billion people and getting them to obey you. Try telling that to those that don't care to obey you.
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Post by SciFive on Oct 12, 2020 6:19:23 GMT
Try telling this to 5 billion people and getting them to obey you. Try telling that to those that don't care to obey you. I’m not asking a single person on Earth to believe anything. You’re asking 6.5 BILLION people to “move on” away from religion. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Oct 12, 2020 7:35:21 GMT
Try telling that to those that don't care to obey you. I’m not asking a single person on Earth to believe anything. You’re asking 6.5 BILLION people to “move on” away from religion. Your 6.5 BILLION anecdote of bogus evidence of worldwide religious believers is hilarious. What you’re asking is for believers to keep on believing. If that isn’t wanting to keep your delusion alive and propagate it, what is?
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Post by SciFive on Oct 12, 2020 7:54:12 GMT
I’m not asking a single person on Earth to believe anything. You’re asking 6.5 BILLION people to “move on” away from religion. Your 6.5 BILLION anecdote of bogus evidence of worldwide religious believers is hilarious. What you’re asking is for believers to keep on believing. If that isn’t wanting to keep your delusion alive and propagate it, what is? The Guardian counting religion members across the world isn’t an anecdote. I’m not asking the 6.5 billion to keep believing. Guardian says their numbers will get bigger because they have more children than non-believers. This isn’t anecdotal either. There are statistics that confirm this. Obviously, you’re wrong that the “religion god” is dead and people must “move on”. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Oct 12, 2020 8:14:14 GMT
Your 6.5 BILLION anecdote of bogus evidence of worldwide religious believers is hilarious. What you’re asking is for believers to keep on believing. If that isn’t wanting to keep your delusion alive and propagate it, what is? The Guardian counting religion members across the world isn’t an anecdote. I’m not asking the 6.5 billion to keep believing. Guardian says their numbers will get bigger because they have more children than non-believers. This isn’t anecdotal either. There are statistics that confirm this. Obviously, you’re wrong that the “religion god” is dead and people must “move on”. Oh The Guardian....  So in other words more brainwashing. Are all these 6.5 billion religious followers going to force their bulls<>t religious god onto their children, or are they going to let them make up their own mind?
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Post by SciFive on Oct 12, 2020 8:38:36 GMT
About the Guardian newspaper that published this article:
The paper's readership is generally on the mainstream left of British political opinion, and its reputation as a platform for social liberal and left-wing editorial has led to the use of the "Guardian reader" and "Guardianista" as often-pejorative epithets for those of left-leaning or "politically correct" tendencies.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Oct 12, 2020 10:32:51 GMT
About the Guardian newspaper that published this article: The paper's readership is generally on the mainstream left of British political opinion, and its reputation as a platform for social liberal and left-wing editorial has led to the use of the "Guardian reader" and "Guardianista" as often-pejorative epithets for those of left-leaning or "politically correct" tendencies. Errrrr ok! Now, are these myriad of believers going to force their religious beliefs onto their children?
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Post by SciFive on Oct 12, 2020 10:43:01 GMT
About the Guardian newspaper that published this article: The paper's readership is generally on the mainstream left of British political opinion, and its reputation as a platform for social liberal and left-wing editorial has led to the use of the "Guardian reader" and "Guardianista" as often-pejorative epithets for those of left-leaning or "politically correct" tendencies. Errrrr ok! Now, are these myriad of believers going to force their religious beliefs onto their children? Do you have other plans for the children of people you despise? |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Oct 12, 2020 10:45:40 GMT
Errrrr ok! Now, are these myriad of believers going to force their religious beliefs onto their children? Do you have other plans for the children of people you despise? Deflection duly noted. Can't you answer the question, or is that your way of saying that believers have the right to force their religious beliefs onto their children? If this is the case, it then goes against your grain of not forcing others to believe in religion and the god associated with it.
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Post by SciFive on Oct 12, 2020 11:08:19 GMT
Do you have other plans for the children of people you despise? Deflection duly noted. Can't you answer the question, or is that your way of saying that believers have the right to force their religious beliefs onto their children? If this is the case, it then goes against your grain of not forcing others to believe in religion and the god associated with it. Wait - you are confused. I am not ASKING ANYONE HERE to join my religion. I couldn’t force any of the posters here to do this. Children grow up in their communities. No one can trap them unless they live in Communist countries. Otherwise, people grow up and they can leave. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Oct 12, 2020 11:11:48 GMT
Deflection duly noted. Can't you answer the question, or is that your way of saying that believers have the right to force their religious beliefs onto their children? If this is the case, it then goes against your grain of not forcing others to believe in religion and the god associated with it. Wait - you are confused. I am not ASKING ANYONE HERE to join my religion. I couldn’t force any of the posters here to do this. Children grow up in their communities. No one can trap them unless they live in Communist countries.
Otherwise, people grow up and they can leave.I am confused by your evasiveness. Children grow up and are "conditioned" by their communities constructs as they grow. This includes religious beliefs. Why are children being entrapped by the religious beliefs of their parents? I don't know what your situation is with having children, but if you do, do you force your religious beliefs onto them?
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Post by SciFive on Oct 12, 2020 11:13:49 GMT
Wait - you are confused. I am not ASKING ANYONE HERE to join my religion. I couldn’t force any of the posters here to do this. Children grow up in their communities. No one can trap them unless they live in Communist countries.
Otherwise, people grow up and they can leave.I am confused by your evasiveness. Children grow up and are "conditioned" by their communities constructs as they grow. You’re confessing that you can’t think for yourself, in other words. You are your own problem. |
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