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Post by Arlon10 on Oct 15, 2020 21:30:31 GMT
Leaving aside the fact that the law considers you have choices whatever nonsense "science" you through at them, Freedom of choice is not the same as free will. I could choose to drink urine, that is a choice which is available to me, but as I have zero desire or motivation to do so, I am never going to choose that. No, you're missing the point. The ability to choose evil would still be there even if we had no desire to do evil. Why not just create people without the desire to do evil? Who could possibly be the loser? The choice would be just as free if there were no desire to do evil. Or are you saying Enoch did not have free will? The only thing this shows is that I struck a nerve, for you to take it this personally. Again. I know better than your god, that's for sure. I could, say, create Eden but not create the parameters that would make the Fall even possible. After all, in your view, was the world not perfect before the Fall? Because I have the arguments, and can spot the obvious flaws in God's vision where you cannot. You're not even making any sense here. Why call me a fatalist? Is that the limit of your vision, that you cannot distinguish determinism from fatalism? Is that why you cling to your fantasy? What's suspect is that accusation. Just because I say you are wrong doesn't mean that I accuse people who see what I cannot of the same. I'm the one who sees what you can't, not the other way around. But YOU cannot be mistaken? You're showing your true colours. Your mind wanders in utterly useless ways because you never prove anything that you think any better than anyone else. Perhaps you believe you have no "burden of proof" or that you have some other privilege in argument. You do not. It makes no difference whether "determinism" is true or not, whatever I might think about it otherwise. Proving it, if that were possible, or accepting it cannot lead to any better course of action. Can it? Thus is it a waste of time preferred by mentally challenged atheists and marijuana smokers under the delusion they know anything better than other people or know something other people do not.
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Post by Rodney Farber on Oct 16, 2020 9:38:35 GMT
Rodney Farber The Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) all believe in the same God. Abraham is the patriarch of all three. This accounts for 4.3 billion people. Hinduism is 1.2 billion and Buddhism is 506 million. I do not read Hebrew or Arabic, so I have to rely on others to translate to English. If Abrahamic religions all believe in the same God, then the English translation of The Torah and The Quran would be identical.
Come to think of it, each version of The Bible is a different God. There are hundreds.
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Post by SciFive on Oct 16, 2020 10:41:50 GMT
Rodney Farber The Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) all believe in the same God. Abraham is the patriarch of all three. This accounts for 4.3 billion people. Hinduism is 1.2 billion and Buddhism is 506 million. I do not read Hebrew or Arabic, so I have to rely on others to translate to English. If Abrahamic religions all believe in the same God, then the English translation of The Torah and The Quran would be identical.
Three Abrahamic Religions, one God. The Jewish Bible came first. The Christian Bible INCLUDES THE ENTIRE JEWISH BIBLE WITHIN IT AT THE FRONT OF THE BOOK. The Quran (Muslim holy book) INCLUDES THE SAME STORIES FROM THE JEWISH AND CHRISTIAN BIBLES BUT REPHRASED BY MOHAMMED. The “BINDING OF ISAAC” story where Abraham is asked to kill his son is THE BINDING OF ISHMAEL (Abraham’s OLDER SON) in the Quran. ABRAHAM WAS THE FATHER OF THE JEWISH ISAAC AND THE MUSLIM ISHMAEL. The story of Ismael’s birth is described in the Jewish Bible and INCLUDED in the Christian Bible. Three religions, one God. Abrahamic religions. |
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Post by Rodney Farber on Oct 16, 2020 16:11:29 GMT
I do not read Hebrew or Arabic, so I have to rely on others to translate to English. If Abrahamic religions all believe in the same God, then the English translation of The Torah and The Quran would be identical.
Three Abrahamic Religions, one God. The Jewish Bible came first. The Christian Bible INCLUDES THE ENTIRE JEWISH BIBLE WITHIN IT AT THE FRONT OF THE BOOK. The Quran (Muslim holy book) INCLUDES THE SAME STORIES FROM THE JEWISH AND CHRISTIAN BIBLES BUT REPHRASED BY MOHAMMED. The “BINDING OF ISAAC” story where Abraham is asked to kill his son is THE BINDING OF ISHMAEL (Abraham’s OLDER SON) in the Quran. ABRAHAM WAS THE FATHER OF THE JEWISH ISAAC AND THE MUSLIM ISHMAEL. The story of Ismael’s birth is described in the Jewish Bible and INCLUDED in the Christian Bible. Three religions, one God. Abrahamic religions. If there is only one God, where does one find his list of dos and don"ts?
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Post by SciFive on Oct 16, 2020 16:27:22 GMT
Three religions, one God.
Abrahamic religions.
The Ten Commandments are basically the same all over.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Oct 16, 2020 19:00:09 GMT
Three religions, one God. Abrahamic religions. The Ten Commandments are basically the same all over. While fundamental to both Judaism and Christianity there have been plenty of other religions without ten commandments, if that is what you mean. "Honour thy father and thy mother." "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple. " —Luke 14:26
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Post by Rodney Farber on Oct 16, 2020 20:31:42 GMT
Three religions, one God. Abrahamic religions. The Ten Commandments are basically the same all over. So then, it's OK to eat shellfish, pork, rabbit as those are not mentioned in the 10 commandments?
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Post by SciFive on Oct 16, 2020 20:57:24 GMT
Three religions, one God. Abrahamic religions. The Ten Commandments are basically the same all over. So then, it's OK to eat shellfish, pork, rabbit as those are not mentioned in the 10 commandments? Rabbit?!?!?!? LOL |
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Post by Rodney Farber on Oct 19, 2020 0:28:18 GMT
So then, it's OK to eat shellfish, pork, rabbit as those are not mentioned in the 10 commandments? Rabbit?!?!?!? LOL Different versions of Vayikra (Leviticus) 11 use a different word than "rabbit". Some say "comey", others say "hare". They're all fluffy with big ears. Your God forbids their consumption. Other Gods do not.
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Post by SciFive on Oct 20, 2020 11:29:36 GMT
Three religions, one God.
The Abrahamic religions are monotheistic, with the term deriving from the patriarch Abraham (a major figure described both in the Tanakh and the Quran, recognized by Jews, Christians, Muslims, and others).
The three Abrahamic religions trace their origins to both sons of Abraham. For Jews and Christians it is his youngest son Isaac and for Muslims, his eldest son Ishmael.
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Post by Rodney Farber on Oct 21, 2020 12:54:41 GMT
Three religions, one God. There are thousands of different Gods, all derived from the God of Abraham. That's why there are thousands of religious texts. Yes, they are monotheistic because each person believes his/her Yahweh is the one true Jehovah and all the rest are fictional. Here's an analogy: French, Italian, Portuguese, Spanish are all derived from Latin. They are different languages derived from a common language. All the Hebrew, etc. Gods are derived from one God but they are all different. Aside from a few common traits, they all have different laws. So, why does your Hebrew God forbid shellfish and pork while other Gods to not? Why don't you pray to your God in a Catholic church? So far in this thread all you have done is assert yourself, call me a bigot, and "LOL" at my rabbit comment in Leviticus. Answer the question this time. I'm tired of your, "I know it because I know it because I know it" response.
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Post by SciFive on Oct 21, 2020 13:52:51 GMT
Three religions, one God. There are thousands of different Gods, all derived from the God of Abraham. Like the hundreds of genders some people think exist today? Baloney to both.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Oct 21, 2020 15:18:19 GMT
Three religions, one God. So, why does your Hebrew God forbid shellfish and pork while other Gods to not? Why don't you pray to your God in a Catholic church? So far in this thread all you have done is assert yourself, call me a bigot, and "LOL" at my rabbit comment in Leviticus. Answer the question this time. Don't hold your breath.
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