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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 21, 2021 15:21:17 GMT
We've had this conversation like 7 times already. Steph and Klay are generational talents by today's standards, despite the fact that I think they'd be role players in other eras. The current era of the NBA values three point shooting above all other aspects of the game, and it's essentially all either of those guys do on the offensive end. The thing is, they're both elite shooters in the history of the game. So that skillset makes them a generational talent in the current era. Kind of surprised you don't remember having this conversation, it couldn't have been more than two months ago. You were laughing at my comparisons of Klay with other three point shooting role players from previous eras, only to tell me I was off base when praising him the other day. I assumed it was just you being you, but evidently you don't remember that earlier conversation. They're 'Generational Talents' but would be 'Role Players' in other eras? 
Yes. And I explained it multiple times now, I'm sorry you don't understand anything about basketball. The game is radically different than it was even 20 years ago. Hell, ten years ago. Listen to basketball podcasts, they talk about it all the time.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 21, 2021 15:40:21 GMT
Oh and by the way, this goes both ways. How valuable would prime Shaq be today? You could argue he'd be borderline useless. Why dump the ball down to a guy who's likely to get fouled and miss both FTs? At best you get two points out of that possession while the other team is launching endless threes. You could try surrounding him with shooters, but at that point he becomes a decoy. Hell, the other team would want you to give Shaq the ball so they could immediately foul him, clog up your offense and keep you netting 1 point per possession on average.
Shaq would be a role player today, he'd have to be. So would Mutombo. The game went away from the plodding big man, as you've pointed out with your endless praise of Embiid's skillset.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on May 21, 2021 15:46:49 GMT
NBA Award Finalists have been announced -
Per NBA.com -
NBA Most Valuable Player
Stephen Curry, Golden State Warriors
Joel Embiid, Philadelphia 76ers
Nikola Jokić, Denver Nuggets
NBA Rookie of the Year
LaMelo Ball, Charlotte Hornets
Anthony Edwards, Minnesota Timberwolves
Tyrese Haliburton, Sacramento Kings
NBA Defensive Player of the Year
Rudy Gobert, Utah Jazz
Draymond Green, Golden State Warriors
Ben Simmons, Philadelphia 76ers
NBA Most Improved Player
Jerami Grant, Detroit Pistons
Michael Porter Jr., Denver Nuggets
Julius Randle, New York Knicks
NBA Sixth Man
Jordan Clarkson, Utah Jazz
Joe Ingles, Utah Jazz
Derrick Rose, New York Knicks
NBA Coach of the Year
Quin Snyder, Utah Jazz
Tom Thibodeau, New York Knicks
Monty Williams, Phoenix Suns
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on May 21, 2021 15:47:50 GMT
Oh and by the way, this goes both ways. How valuable would prime Shaq be today? You could argue he'd be borderline useless. Why dump the ball down to a guy who's likely to get fouled and miss both FTs? At best you get two points out of that possession while the other team is launching endless threes. You could try surrounding him with shooters, but at that point he becomes a decoy. Hell, the other team would want you to give Shaq the ball so they could immediately foul him, clog up your offense and keep you netting 1 point per possession on average. Shaq would be a role player today, he'd have to be. So would Mutombo. The game went away from the plodding big man, as you've pointed out with your endless praise of Embiid's skillset. 'Prime' Shaq would be 'borderline useless' today?
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Post by Mulder and Scully on May 21, 2021 15:55:54 GMT
They're 'Generational Talents' but would be 'Role Players' in other eras?
Yes. And I explained it multiple times now, I'm sorry you don't understand anything about basketball. The game is radically different than it was even 20 years ago. Hell, ten years ago. Listen to basketball podcasts, they talk about it all the time. You're a delusional, arrogant idiot. You don't know shit about basketball. Your opinion is worthless. A self-proclaimed "expert". |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 21, 2021 15:58:29 GMT
Oh and by the way, this goes both ways. How valuable would prime Shaq be today? You could argue he'd be borderline useless. Why dump the ball down to a guy who's likely to get fouled and miss both FTs? At best you get two points out of that possession while the other team is launching endless threes. You could try surrounding him with shooters, but at that point he becomes a decoy. Hell, the other team would want you to give Shaq the ball so they could immediately foul him, clog up your offense and keep you netting 1 point per possession on average. Shaq would be a role player today, he'd have to be. So would Mutombo. The game went away from the plodding big man, as you've pointed out with your endless praise of Embiid's skillset. 'Prime' Shaq would be 'borderline useless' today? 'Borderline useless' was hyperbolic, I admit. But he wouldn't be the offensive force he once was because that isn't the way the game is played. There's little value in having your offense revolve around a dunk machine who can't make FTs when the other team is making 16 threes per game.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 21, 2021 16:02:20 GMT
Yes. And I explained it multiple times now, I'm sorry you don't understand anything about basketball. The game is radically different than it was even 20 years ago. Hell, ten years ago. Listen to basketball podcasts, they talk about it all the time. You're a delusional, arrogant idiot. You don't know shit about basketball. Your opinion is worthless. A self-proclaimed "expert". You're a dumb fuck who can't backup anything he says. All you have is your uneducated opinion. You have the mind of a child, you do this all over the site. Somebody has a different opinion on a movie, you immediately start calling them names out of the blue. Get some stronger meds.
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Post by Mulder and Scully on May 21, 2021 16:05:20 GMT
You're a delusional, arrogant idiot. You don't know shit about basketball. Your opinion is worthless. A self-proclaimed "expert". You're a dumb fuck who can't backup anything he says. All you have is your uneducated opinion. You have the mind of a child, you do this all over the site. Somebody has a different opinion on a movie, you immediately start calling them names out of the blue. Get some stronger meds. You're fucking retarded. Your opinion is shit. Just because you say so doesn't make it true. You're a delusional retard. |
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Post by NJtoTX on May 21, 2021 22:10:52 GMT
Well that escalated slowly.
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Post by Winston Wolfe on May 22, 2021 4:00:24 GMT
Bane ices it for the Grizzlies in a great game.  |
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Post by NJtoTX on May 22, 2021 4:04:05 GMT
Bane ices it for the Grizzlies in a great game. I had to look this guy up. But who is he on the Grizzlies? Valenciunis? |
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Post by Winston Wolfe on May 22, 2021 6:18:19 GMT
Bane ices it for the Grizzlies in a great game. I had to look this guy up. But who is he on the Grizzlies? Valenciunis? Yeah
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on May 22, 2021 6:54:34 GMT
This could be Ja's coming out party and maybe he'll start to get recognized a lot more - 15 points in the 4th quarter
Disappointed we won't be seeing Steph in the playoffs
Wonder what changes are coming and what Klay looks like coming back.....
I can't see just his addition putting them back in contention with all these newbies challenging for the top of the West
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Post by Mulder and Scully on May 22, 2021 11:47:36 GMT
Eastern Conference (Tuesday, May 18) No. 10 Charlotte Hornets at No. 9 Indiana Pacers (6:30 p.m. ET, TNT) No. 8 Washington Wizards at No. 7 Boston Celtics (9 p.m. ET, TNT) Western Conference (Wednesday, May 19) No. 10 San Antonio Spurs at No. 9 Memphis Grizzlies (7:30 p.m. ET, ESPN) No. 8 Golden State Warriors at No. 7 Los Angeles Lakers (10 p.m. ET, ESPN) East - #3 Bucks vs. #6 Heat #4 Knicks vs. #5 Hawks West - #3 Nuggets vs. #6 Portland #4 Clipps vs. #5 Mavs I got my wish - Heat get knocked out in the 1st Round (won't be crying if they pull the upset - Heat/Bucks are two of the teams I wanted to avoid) We get the winner of Knicks/Hawks Bucks/Nets beat each other up in the Semis Cakewalk to the ECF feasting on a beat up Nets/Bucks team
 Why am I getting a weird feeling that the Warriors are going choke in these play-in games? They seem to get nervous in important games. Lol called it! |
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Post by Mulder and Scully on May 22, 2021 11:50:37 GMT
Choke? Overachieving 39-33, no Oubre, no Wiseman, no Klay, was talk about them maybe tanking a month ago, haven't played well against the Lakers who are likely only going to be missing Schröder. But, yeah, if Memphis or San Antonio knock em out with a 2nd loss, that might be a bit of one. They would have made the playoffs if it wasn't for the play-in tournament. I said choke regarding their play-in games. They'll most likely lose to the Lakers and I wouldn't be surprised if they lose to the Grizzlies-Spurs winner. Just a gut feeling. This was bound to happen. |
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Post by NJtoTX on May 22, 2021 12:04:04 GMT
This could be Ja's coming out party and maybe he'll start to get recognized a lot more - 15 points in the 4th quarter Disappointed we won't be seeing Steph in the playoffs Wonder what changes are coming and what Klay looks like coming back..... I can't see just his addition putting them back in contention with all these newbies challenging for the top of the West Steph could be gone after next year. Trivia - Who was the last MVP finalist to not make the playoffs? |
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on May 22, 2021 12:10:39 GMT
This could be Ja's coming out party and maybe he'll start to get recognized a lot more - 15 points in the 4th quarter Disappointed we won't be seeing Steph in the playoffs Wonder what changes are coming and what Klay looks like coming back..... I can't see just his addition putting them back in contention with all these newbies challenging for the top of the West Steph could be gone after next year. Trivia - Who was the last MVP finalist to not make the playoffs? That's a good question
Favor - give me (us) some time to think about that before revealing the answer.....
Didn't LeBron's Lakers miss the playoffs the 1st year he was there - can't even remember if he won the MVP that year - not going him though.....
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on May 22, 2021 12:12:04 GMT
This could be Ja's coming out party and maybe he'll start to get recognized a lot more - 15 points in the 4th quarter Disappointed we won't be seeing Steph in the playoffs Wonder what changes are coming and what Klay looks like coming back..... I can't see just his addition putting them back in contention with all these newbies challenging for the top of the West Steph could be gone after next year. Trivia - Who was the last MVP finalist to not make the playoffs? They brought this up on one of ESPN's talking head shows too last week - can't remember which one it was -
i.e. - that Steph's career is winding down and he may want a couple of more titles - i.e. look to join a team that is expected to contend for a title every year
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Post by NJtoTX on May 22, 2021 12:50:41 GMT
It was quite some time ago.
I tried to guess all the point spreads. I always get one right on the money and usually have one that's way off.
I got them all within a point except for Denver versus Portland. For some reason Denver is only a 1-point favorite at home.
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Post by Winston Wolfe on May 22, 2021 16:16:59 GMT
LeBron won’t be suspended for violating the NBA’s health and safety protocols for attending an event for his tequila brand, because of course.
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