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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 6, 2017 23:07:33 GMT
You're just getting ridiculous now. If you were hoping that someone would vote for Jewish slaves building the Pyramids, none have done so yet. "If you were hoping that someone would vote for Jewish slaves building the Pyramids, none have done so yet."
When did I ever say that?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 6, 2017 23:11:08 GMT
I brought it up because I assumed that you thought documentation was important. Apparently it's only important to the extent that you want to buy into it. I say based on your need for documentation, stick with aliens since that's the one you want.
I am saying that you say there were no jewish slaves only because the Egyptians didn't write it down which is in no way the same thing as saying it is not known.
You are completely free to believe as you wish. Sure the Jews just pooped out of the ground like daisies if that's what you want to believe (& for the record, I have no idea what you believe, I'm just kinda making fun of the situation because I've talked about it for too long).
However, don't pretend that it has any more basis than generally accepted secular history of Egyptians being OK with slavery and no indication they thought the Jews were special enough to not enslave.
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Post by lowtacks86 on May 6, 2017 23:14:38 GMT
lowtacks86 People who have not read the Bible continually make the mistake of thinking the Bible was only about miracles and stuff when much of the OT is indeed a historical record. God existing or not has no relation to recording the fact that the Jews were slaves, something they have no reason to brag about and something Egypt would have no reason to tolerate if they averse to slavery. This is a silly argument though since you have already admitted to willfully ignoring information solely because you want to hear it straight from the Egyptians which is never going to happen. I'll just have to be content with reading the information given to us without dispute. "People who have not read the Bible continually make the mistake of thinking the Bible was only about miracles"
Never said that. Even I as an alleged "theophobiac" as you would say, can admit perhaps there's some truth in the Bible here and there, (though that could be said for the Koran, Bhagavata Purana, Greek mythology, etc). Though just because something might be true isn't reason enough to believe it now is it? Obviously as a nonbeliever I'm not gonna be open the miraculous stuff in the Bible, so why should I automatically be open to all the non miraculous stuff if I've already decided a good chunk of it is fiction anyway? The fact that there is no valid documents outside the Bible leads me to be highly skeptical of this claim. I'm not vehemently opposed to the idea of there being Jewish slaves, but until proper evidence is presented, there's no particular reason for believing it for the same reason I'm sure you're skeptical of there being an English thief who robbed from the rich and gave to the poor.
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Post by maya55555 on May 6, 2017 23:47:02 GMT
lowtacks86;
Only the uneducated believe that.
The pyramids were fourth dynasty, where as Pi-Rameses to the north delta was in the 19th dynasty. That is where the Hebrews allegedly lived.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 6, 2017 23:48:27 GMT
lowtacks86 For the record, I don't think I ever called you a theophobiac but if you think you fit the description or want to self-identify, be my guest. As I've stated, it is entirely your business to believe as you wish. If the standard you hold to is ancient documents not tied to the Bible, then stay skeptical. However, I'm not sure why anyone would put trust in any ancient document. After all, why would an Egyptian document about Egypt hold any more weight in authenticity than a Jewish document about Jews? Heck the Egyptians believed their leaders were gods for crying out loud. At least the Israelites doubted their leaders (& their god. From the moment they left Egypt, they talked about how awesome it was to be slaves in Egypt.) and had the nerve to write it down. It's safer to just stay skeptical of everything that wasn't filmed in HD clarity.
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Post by islandmur on May 6, 2017 23:53:24 GMT
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Post by lowtacks86 on May 7, 2017 0:20:59 GMT
I brought it up because I assumed that you thought documentation was important. Apparently it's only important to the extent that you want to buy into it. I say based on your need for documentation, stick with aliens since that's the one you want. I am saying that you say there were no jewish slaves only because the Egyptians didn't write it down which is in no way the same thing as saying it is not known. You are completely free to believe as you wish. Sure the Jews just pooped out of the ground like daisies if that's what you want to believe (& for the record, I have no idea what you believe, I'm just kinda making fun of the situation because I've talked about it for too long). However, don't pretend that it has any more basis than generally accepted secular history of Egyptians being OK with slavery and no indication they thought the Jews were special enough to not enslave. "I say based on your need for documentation, stick with aliens since that's the one you want"
Strawman.
"I am saying that you say there were no jewish slaves only because the Egyptians didn't write it down which is in no way the same thing as saying it is not known."
So you are essentially arguing I can't disprove there were no Jewish slaves, thanks for confirming that.
"You are completely free to believe as you wish."
Except for that first post where you called my assertion baseless and unfounded and your insestant arguments on how I'm wrong?
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Post by lowtacks86 on May 7, 2017 0:28:55 GMT
lowtacks86 For the record, I don't think I ever called you a theophobiac but if you think you fit the description or want to self-identify, be my guest. As I've stated, it is entirely your business to believe as you wish. If the standard you hold to is ancient documents not tied to the Bible, then stay skeptical. However, I'm not sure why anyone would put trust in any ancient document. After all, why would an Egyptian document about Egypt hold any more weight in authenticity than a Jewish document about Jews? Heck the Egyptians believed their leaders were gods for crying out loud. At least the Israelites doubted their leaders (& their god. From the moment they left Egypt, they talked about how awesome it was to be slaves in Egypt.) and had the nerve to write it down. It's safer to just stay skeptical of everything that wasn't filmed in HD clarity. "After all, why would an Egyptian document about Egypt hold any more weight in authenticity than a Jewish document about Jews?"
For the same reason I doubt you believe everything that happened in the Koran. Even looking at your own Holy Book, you yourself have denied Creationism, obviously you don't believe in a literal interpretation of Genesis or Noah's Flood, clearly you don't believe everything in the Bible either. Rather absurd to hold me to standards you yourself don't hold.
"Heck the Egyptians believed their leaders were gods for crying out loud."
Yes many civilizations believed their leaders were God, that's not unheard of. What is unheard of is valid evidence for jewish slaves in Egypt, no legit archaeologist is going to argue against that.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on May 8, 2017 11:20:51 GMT
Part of me wishes it was space aliens, but the actual answer is probably considerably less interesting What's more interesting is how they were built, imho. |
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Post by general313 on May 8, 2017 15:22:47 GMT
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Post by Catman on May 8, 2017 15:46:56 GMT
Cats from Thuban 9.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 16:37:49 GMT
I don't know. Therefore, aliens.
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Post by Lynx on May 8, 2017 16:52:58 GMT
I'm sticking with Jewish slaves with maybe some Egyptian forced laborers....but predominantly Jewish slaves.
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Post by maya55555 on May 8, 2017 18:45:59 GMT
YES, when it comes to the subject of Egyptology.
I do not know EVERYTHING about Egypt (KMT), and I have been studying it on/off for years.
Please refer to my earlier post.
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Post by drystyx on May 8, 2017 20:45:29 GMT
Different laborers built different pyramids. Future Jews were among them.
The events of Exodus obviously wouldn't be recorded by Egyptians. Any scribe who would dare to write such a humiliating and mortal account of the pharaoh would have been horribly tormented in death and his words destroyed.
From the "thinking" point of view, it would seem that the twelve tribes could well have been twelve different groups of working class and slave individuals in Egypt, who combined forces at a time when Egypt was in disarray due to the plagues. I believe it was recorded accurately in the bible, but I don't know. The idea that it was made up by Nehemiah, Ezra,and others well after David is pure poppycock from people who want to feel important.
One would think that there could be twelve "tribes" stemming from different groups of Egypt. That's speculation, though. Anything outside Exodus is speculation. What we do know is that since the overwhelming majority here hate the account of Exodus, and desire it to be fiction, that it's survival over so many thousands of years has to be supernatural, either for good or bad. That can't be denied by any honest sane person with an IQ over 33.33. It's total delusion to deny that.
So, knowing that, admitting the fact that Exodus as a story defies "popular appeal", the rational person must either take a view that it was from God or from the enemy. Logic suggests that the enemy would not benefit from it, though the distortion of it may be possible.
In any event, the Bible never claims that only Jews were laborers under pharaoh over the vast amount of time that pyramids were built, so I couldn't answer the poll
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Post by general313 on May 8, 2017 21:01:08 GMT
YES, when it comes to the subject of Egyptology. I do not know EVERYTHING about Egypt (KMT), and I have been studying it on/off for years. Please refer to my earlier post. I guess my sarcasm was missed. |
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Post by maya55555 on May 9, 2017 15:05:32 GMT
cham313
I do not know you well enough to know your brand of sarcasm.
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Post by maya55555 on May 9, 2017 15:23:43 GMT
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Post by runie on May 9, 2017 15:49:22 GMT
Egyptian slaves.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 16:04:51 GMT
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