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Post by The Herald Erjen on Oct 20, 2020 20:36:32 GMT
Nope. They’re saving the fun for God. Your answer is just as stupid as his question. He's done threads like this one before, and every time he starts another I'm going to be there to take a dump in it. 
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Oct 20, 2020 20:41:09 GMT
We all know that God will admit innocent souls straight to heaven - which is the dream of every true believer. And as a good Christian you will have had your child christened and accepted into the faith. So wouldn't the best thing for them be for them to be killed before there is any risk of anyone corrupting their soul? To ensure they get to heaven? And this would apply to the children of your friends and family too. And what of your soul? Well obviously you can seek forgiveness - for what you would be doing would be motivated by heavenly reasons after all, so God would probably forgive you. But even if he didn't, isn't it worth risking your soul if you can guarantee all those children get into heaven and ensuring their souls are saved? Are children not born with original sin according to the doctrine? So even though they are christened, they still have to atone for the stain of the original sin??
I am pretty sure killing kids is naughty in the eyes of the lord as well, so it would send the parent to hell, but then I suppose you could argue going to hell to ensure that your kids get to heaven is a trade parents might be happy to make.
I guess those are the standard badly thought out answers, mine is that I believe in a good God, if there is a piece of doctrine that has God being bad (liek thinking killing your children is bad) then either the doctrine is bad theology (which of course comes from humans not God) or God is not good. I always err on the side of God is good.
I would answer with my purpose of life statement, if there is an afterlife, then surely Gods purpose for us is to experience this material life and maybe even learn from it, if you kill your kids you take that oppurtunity away from them.
(no idea if this has all been said before, I could not be bothered wading through the chaff)
Well said, Gadreel.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Oct 20, 2020 21:05:53 GMT
We all know that God will admit innocent souls straight to heaven - which is the dream of every true believer. And as a good Christian you will have had your child christened and accepted into the faith. So wouldn't the best thing for them be for them to be killed before there is any risk of anyone corrupting their soul? To ensure they get to heaven? And this would apply to the children of your friends and family too. And what of your soul? Well obviously you can seek forgiveness - for what you would be doing would be motivated by heavenly reasons after all, so God would probably forgive you. But even if he didn't, isn't it worth risking your soul if you can guarantee all those children get into heaven and ensuring their souls are saved? Are children not born with original sin according to the doctrine? So even though they are christened, they still have to atone for the stain of the original sin??
I am pretty sure killing kids is naughty in the eyes of the lord as well, so it would send the parent to hell, but then I suppose you could argue going to hell to ensure that your kids get to heaven is a trade parents might be happy to make.
I guess those are the standard badly thought out answers, mine is that I believe in a good God, if there is a piece of doctrine that has God being bad (liek thinking killing your children is bad) then either the doctrine is bad theology (which of course comes from humans not God) or God is not good. I always err on the side of God is good.
I would answer with my purpose of life statement, if there is an afterlife, then surely Gods purpose for us is to experience this material life and maybe even learn from it, if you kill your kids you take that oppurtunity away from them.
(no idea if this has all been said before, I could not be bothered wading through the chaff)
Not in most Protestant denominations, they don’t believe in “original sin” the way Catholics do. And Evangelicals are even totally opposed to the doctrine. They believe in a believers’ baptism that only the spirituality adult individual can decide for herself, therefore a child is covered by the blood of Jesus until they understand how horrible hell will be for them if they don’t repent. In other words, there’s a terror ritual they must complete first before they become a real Christian. I’ll add this: some family suicide-murders have a religious component to it where the father or mother kills the family to save them from an insane, sinful world. I think the lady in Texas who drowned her five kids suffered from this delusion.
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Post by maya55555 on Oct 20, 2020 21:09:39 GMT
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Post by Arlon10 on Oct 20, 2020 21:14:26 GMT
Are children not born with original sin according to the doctrine? So even though they are christened, they still have to atone for the stain of the original sin??
I am pretty sure killing kids is naughty in the eyes of the lord as well, so it would send the parent to hell, but then I suppose you could argue going to hell to ensure that your kids get to heaven is a trade parents might be happy to make.
I guess those are the standard badly thought out answers, mine is that I believe in a good God, if there is a piece of doctrine that has God being bad (liek thinking killing your children is bad) then either the doctrine is bad theology (which of course comes from humans not God) or God is not good. I always err on the side of God is good.
I would answer with my purpose of life statement, if there is an afterlife, then surely Gods purpose for us is to experience this material life and maybe even learn from it, if you kill your kids you take that oppurtunity away from them.
(no idea if this has all been said before, I could not be bothered wading through the chaff)
, they don’t believe in “original sin” the way Catholics do. And Evangelicals are even totally opposed to the doctrine. They believe in a believers’ baptism that only the spirituality adult individual can decide for herself, therefore a child is covered by the blood of Jesus until they understand how horrible hell will be for them if they don’t repent. In other words, there’s a terror ritual they must complete first before they become a real Christian. I’ll add this: some family suicide-murders have a religious component to it where the father or mother kills the family to save them from an insane, sinful world. I think the lady in Texas who drowned her five kids suffered from this delusion. Where's that? In the book of Kentuckians? Also, you know what a statistical outlier is, right? College boy?
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Post by OpiateOfTheMasses on Oct 20, 2020 22:19:43 GMT
The thing with the more trollish/thicker members of the board just posting random pictures on boards - that's new to me (as I say - I'm not here that often).
Has this been going on long? Or am I getting some sort of special treatment? I realise they can't form any sort of coherent arguments or statements and like to "look at the pretty pictures"... I'm just curious - that's all.
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Post by Isapop on Oct 20, 2020 22:22:49 GMT
The thing with the more trollish/thicker members of the board just posting random pictures on boards - that's new to me (as I say - I'm not here that often). Has this been going on long? Or am I getting some sort of special treatment? I realise they can't form any sort of coherent arguments or statements and like to "look at the pretty pictures"... I'm just curious - that's all. Well there you are. Better have a look at the thread, "Any favorite atheist groups or leaders?"
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Post by gadreel on Oct 20, 2020 22:48:32 GMT
Are children not born with original sin according to the doctrine? So even though they are christened, they still have to atone for the stain of the original sin??
I am pretty sure killing kids is naughty in the eyes of the lord as well, so it would send the parent to hell, but then I suppose you could argue going to hell to ensure that your kids get to heaven is a trade parents might be happy to make.
I guess those are the standard badly thought out answers, mine is that I believe in a good God, if there is a piece of doctrine that has God being bad (liek thinking killing your children is bad) then either the doctrine is bad theology (which of course comes from humans not God) or God is not good. I always err on the side of God is good.
I would answer with my purpose of life statement, if there is an afterlife, then surely Gods purpose for us is to experience this material life and maybe even learn from it, if you kill your kids you take that oppurtunity away from them.
(no idea if this has all been said before, I could not be bothered wading through the chaff)
Not in most Protestant denominations, they don’t believe in “original sin” the way Catholics do. And Evangelicals are even totally opposed to the doctrine. They believe in a believers’ baptism that only the spirituality adult individual can decide for herself, therefore a child is covered by the blood of Jesus until they understand how horrible hell will be for them if they don’t repent. In other words, there’s a terror ritual they must complete first before they become a real Christian. I’ll add this: some family suicide-murders have a religious component to it where the father or mother kills the family to save them from an insane, sinful world. I think the lady in Texas who drowned her five kids suffered from this delusion. Fair call, to be honest I was only thinking of Catholicism, which is strange given I am a filthy protestant. But yeah that is not a great argument ayway, I simply presented it as what I thought was a pretty common argument. Yeah the whole, I can save you from a horrible life thing is an interesting stance, as you say I think it is pretty delusional, but then I tend to think rigid religious thinking is pretty delusional too.
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Post by gadreel on Oct 20, 2020 22:50:13 GMT
Are children not born with original sin according to the doctrine? So even though they are christened, they still have to atone for the stain of the original sin??
I am pretty sure killing kids is naughty in the eyes of the lord as well, so it would send the parent to hell, but then I suppose you could argue going to hell to ensure that your kids get to heaven is a trade parents might be happy to make.
I guess those are the standard badly thought out answers, mine is that I believe in a good God, if there is a piece of doctrine that has God being bad (liek thinking killing your children is bad) then either the doctrine is bad theology (which of course comes from humans not God) or God is not good. I always err on the side of God is good.
I would answer with my purpose of life statement, if there is an afterlife, then surely Gods purpose for us is to experience this material life and maybe even learn from it, if you kill your kids you take that oppurtunity away from them.
(no idea if this has all been said before, I could not be bothered wading through the chaff)
Well said, Gadreel. Hey thanks. I know we dont see eye to eye, and in fact generally think the other is a douche, but honestly the fact that you are prepared to call out positive things I say and praise me or them gains you considerable kudos in my book. thank you.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Oct 20, 2020 22:51:47 GMT
The thing with the more trollish/thicker members of the board just posting random pictures on boards - that's new to me (as I say - I'm not here that often). Has this been going on long? Or am I getting some sort of special treatment? I realise they can't form any sort of coherent arguments or statements and like to "look at the pretty pictures"... I'm just curious - that's all. This is their version of comedy trolling a thread.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Oct 20, 2020 23:26:34 GMT
Hey thanks. I know we dont see eye to eye, and in fact generally think the other is a douche, but honestly the fact that you are prepared to call out positive things I say and praise me or them gains you considerable kudos in my book. thank you.
You are welcome. 
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Post by OldSamVimes on Oct 21, 2020 9:42:17 GMT
Dude makes a thread in a religion forum apparently never hearing of the ten commandments.
Oh yeah.. hating Christians is the 'new tolerance'.
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Post by Jonesy1 on Oct 21, 2020 10:12:14 GMT
I think you're being too generous.
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