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Post by masterofallgoons on Feb 18, 2022 16:18:01 GMT
From RogerEbert.com:
"It’s a startling misfire, a movie that fundamentally fails at almost everything it’s trying to do. Leatherface deserves better."
Yikes!
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Post by James on Feb 18, 2022 21:01:12 GMT
Just finished watching it. It's pretty much how I feared it would be. One of the lesser entries in a franchise that has quite a few low points already.
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Post by nicktatler76 on Feb 18, 2022 22:53:21 GMT
I liked it, but I love gore. It was more Michael Myers or Jason than Leatherface though.
The hammer to the leg and the bus scene were stand outs. Predictable ending though.
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Post by forca84 on Feb 18, 2022 23:27:26 GMT
The settling in to buy a Ghost town was such a dumb plot device... They could've had a better one. I really didn't like the main characters at first... Insulting the locals etc. And kicking an old woman out of her House. Mostly I hated the little Orphan Annie hairdo on the one Sister.
The Bus scene was absolutely brutal! Wow. I was speechless. And also the poor mechanic etc. The plot point with "Guns are bad!" Was laughable. Sally deserved far better... I think this may be the last of Leatherface...
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Post by masterofallgoons on Feb 19, 2022 16:11:46 GMT
The settling in to buy a Ghost town was such a dumb plot device... They could've had a better one. I really didn't like the main characters at first... Insulting the locals etc. And kicking an old woman out of her House. Mostly I hated the little Orphan Annie hairdo on the one Sister. The Bus scene was absolutely brutal! Wow. I was speechless. And also the poor mechanic etc. The plot point with "Guns are bad!" Was laughable. Sally deserved far better... I think this may be the last of Leatherface... I loved the ghost town as a setting, but yeah, as a plot device it was kinda dumb. Like most of this movie was. That location was better utilized in the remake of House of Wax, but it's a good natural escalation of the decrepit old houses in the first one. All of the plot was very generic and standard, and lame. I don't think there was any 'guns are bad' theme at all. It completely towed the line of having these obnoxious millennials and these idiot rednecks and made fun of them both but took no sides on any issue at all. The school shooting backstory was completely pointless and went nowhere except to tell us she would be the final girl. Sally was wasted and lame. The bus scene sure was gory, but I didn't find it brutal. It was just a showcase for the practical effects, but none of it felt visceral or intense or painful or dreadful or frightening or anything really. Just like an excuse to get the requisite 100 gallons of blood in somewhere. It was pretty dumb the whole time, but the once the Chainsaw started following her like a shark fin it was getting a little sillier, and by the time he severed a sewage pipe and sprayed her with shit (which nobody reacted to..?) and the 'You'll be canceled, bro' line, there was just no coming back from that. If it was intentionally goofy and silly from that part on I could have gone with it, but it seemed to try to take itself seriously afterwards, which was impossible. It's not absolutely worthless, and I think some of the reviews are unnecessarily harsh. If it wasn't called Texas Chainsaw Massacre it would just be another pretty weak ripoff of The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, but it suffers for invoking the name and the characters. But then again, it's not as bad as some of the other sequels.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Feb 19, 2022 18:05:29 GMT
Didn't realize there was a post credit scene.
It's not much of anything, but it's brief and worth seeing if anybody missed it.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Feb 19, 2022 19:33:33 GMT
I loved it, and not for the reasons the director surely intended. This movie was a comedic masterpiece.
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Post by forca84 on Feb 19, 2022 19:41:01 GMT
The settling in to buy a Ghost town was such a dumb plot device... They could've had a better one. I really didn't like the main characters at first... Insulting the locals etc. And kicking an old woman out of her House. Mostly I hated the little Orphan Annie hairdo on the one Sister. The Bus scene was absolutely brutal! Wow. I was speechless. And also the poor mechanic etc. The plot point with "Guns are bad!" Was laughable. Sally deserved far better... I think this may be the last of Leatherface... I loved the ghost town as a setting, but yeah, as a plot device it was kinda dumb. Like most of this movie was. That location was better utilized in the remake of House of Wax, but it's a good natural escalation of the decrepit old houses in the first one. All of the plot was very generic and standard, and lame. I don't think there was any 'guns are bad' theme at all. It completely towed the line of having these obnoxious millennials and these idiot rednecks and made fun of them both but took no sides on any issue at all. The school shooting backstory was completely pointless and went nowhere except to tell us she would be the final girl. Sally was wasted and lame. The bus scene sure was gory, but I didn't find it brutal. It was just a showcase for the practical effects, but none of it felt visceral or intense or painful or dreadful or frightening or anything really. Just like an excuse to get the requisite 100 gallons of blood in somewhere. It was pretty dumb the whole time, but the once the Chainsaw started following her like a shark fin it was getting a little sillier, and by the time he severed a sewage pipe and sprayed her with shit (which nobody reacted to..?) and the 'You'll be canceled, bro' line, there was just no coming back from that. If it was intentionally goofy and silly from that part on I could have gone with it, but it seemed to try to take itself seriously afterwards, which was impossible. It's not absolutely worthless, and I think some of the reviews are unnecessarily harsh. If it wasn't called Texas Chainsaw Massacre it would just be another pretty weak ripoff of The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, but it suffers for invoking the name and the characters. But then again, it's not as bad as some of the other sequels. Yeah I realize there are wealthy people who would buy up a Ghost town. But good God! It's like it was still stuck in the 1970's! Like being in "The Twilight Zone". I agreed with the sister. I wouldn't want to live there either. I don't think they really cared she was covered in Sewage. She was hauling trying to get out of there from getting killed. I thought it was a nice touch that the "Redneck" was actually a decent guy. Trying to give his car keys before he was snuffed out. I was legit sad when he got killed. I know some will disagree but the main characters could've used more development. We barely knew them... At 70 minutes this one felt super rushed. Felt like a ton was cut out. This had production issues. I can't believe how rushed and sloppy Sally's storyline was... I guess if she showed up with an arsenal people would have issues with that. Utterly stupid she let him walk away because he didn't recognize her.. and she magically survives long enough to pass the baton to the Sister after being carved through... Yet Ruth dies from getting stabbed. I'm not really sure where the series could go from here... I think this might be it. And if so that's sad. It deserves a better sendoff.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Feb 20, 2022 0:11:04 GMT
I loved the ghost town as a setting, but yeah, as a plot device it was kinda dumb. Like most of this movie was. That location was better utilized in the remake of House of Wax, but it's a good natural escalation of the decrepit old houses in the first one. All of the plot was very generic and standard, and lame. I don't think there was any 'guns are bad' theme at all. It completely towed the line of having these obnoxious millennials and these idiot rednecks and made fun of them both but took no sides on any issue at all. The school shooting backstory was completely pointless and went nowhere except to tell us she would be the final girl. Sally was wasted and lame. The bus scene sure was gory, but I didn't find it brutal. It was just a showcase for the practical effects, but none of it felt visceral or intense or painful or dreadful or frightening or anything really. Just like an excuse to get the requisite 100 gallons of blood in somewhere. It was pretty dumb the whole time, but the once the Chainsaw started following her like a shark fin it was getting a little sillier, and by the time he severed a sewage pipe and sprayed her with shit (which nobody reacted to..?) and the 'You'll be canceled, bro' line, there was just no coming back from that. If it was intentionally goofy and silly from that part on I could have gone with it, but it seemed to try to take itself seriously afterwards, which was impossible. It's not absolutely worthless, and I think some of the reviews are unnecessarily harsh. If it wasn't called Texas Chainsaw Massacre it would just be another pretty weak ripoff of The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, but it suffers for invoking the name and the characters. But then again, it's not as bad as some of the other sequels. Yeah I realize there are wealthy people who would buy up a Ghost town. But good God! It's like it was still stuck in the 1970's! Like being in "The Twilight Zone". I agreed with the sister. I wouldn't want to live there either. I don't think they really cared she was covered in Sewage. She was hauling trying to get out of there from getting killed. I thought it was a nice touch that the "Redneck" was actually a decent guy. Trying to give his car keys before he was snuffed out. I was legit sad when he got killed. I know some will disagree but the main characters could've used more development. We barely knew them... At 70 minutes this one felt super rushed. Felt like a ton was cut out. This had production issues. I can't believe how rushed and sloppy Sally's storyline was... I guess if she showed up with an arsenal people would have issues with that. Utterly stupid she let him walk away because he didn't recognize her.. and she magically survives long enough to pass the baton to the Sister after being carved through... Yet Ruth dies from getting stabbed. I'm not really sure where the series could go from here... I think this might be it. And if so that's sad. It deserves a better sendoff. I actually rather liked the characters. The sister annoyed the piss out of me at first when she was hassling the cowboy about his gun, but the shooting backstory explained it to an extent and she felt genuinely guilty about the old lady. I wouldn't worry too much about this being the final TCM movie. They'll take another stab at rebooting it in 5-10 years like they always do. I'm surprised they haven't tried to dig up Jessica Biel, the remake was reasonably popular. Probably rights stuff.
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Post by forca84 on Feb 20, 2022 0:40:17 GMT
Yeah I realize there are wealthy people who would buy up a Ghost town. But good God! It's like it was still stuck in the 1970's! Like being in "The Twilight Zone". I agreed with the sister. I wouldn't want to live there either. I don't think they really cared she was covered in Sewage. She was hauling trying to get out of there from getting killed. I thought it was a nice touch that the "Redneck" was actually a decent guy. Trying to give his car keys before he was snuffed out. I was legit sad when he got killed. I know some will disagree but the main characters could've used more development. We barely knew them... At 70 minutes this one felt super rushed. Felt like a ton was cut out. This had production issues. I can't believe how rushed and sloppy Sally's storyline was... I guess if she showed up with an arsenal people would have issues with that. Utterly stupid she let him walk away because he didn't recognize her.. and she magically survives long enough to pass the baton to the Sister after being carved through... Yet Ruth dies from getting stabbed. I'm not really sure where the series could go from here... I think this might be it. And if so that's sad. It deserves a better sendoff. I actually rather liked the characters. The sister annoyed the piss out of me at first when she was hassling the cowboy about his gun, but the shooting backstory explained it to an extent and she felt genuinely guilty about the old lady. I wouldn't worry too much about this being the final TCM movie. They'll take another stab at rebooting it in 5-10 years like they always do. I'm surprised they haven't tried to dig up Jessica Biel, the remake was reasonably popular. Probably rights stuff. I rather liked the alternate opening with an aged Biel in a Nursing home talking to an investigator. Telling them that Leatherface wasn't killed by the SWAT team. And they had indeed killed the wrong man... An overweight Leatherface slowly walks away.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Feb 20, 2022 1:20:02 GMT
I actually rather liked the characters. The sister annoyed the piss out of me at first when she was hassling the cowboy about his gun, but the shooting backstory explained it to an extent and she felt genuinely guilty about the old lady. I wouldn't worry too much about this being the final TCM movie. They'll take another stab at rebooting it in 5-10 years like they always do. I'm surprised they haven't tried to dig up Jessica Biel, the remake was reasonably popular. Probably rights stuff. I rather liked the alternate opening with an aged Biel in a Nursing home talking to an investigator. Telling them that Leatherface wasn't killed by the SWAT team. And they had indeed killed the wrong man... An overweight Leatherface slowly walks away. They could definitely spin that into a sequel. And Biel's character would make way more sense as a revenge driven Leatherface-hunter than Sally "AAAAAAHHHH!" Hardesty.
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Post by Marv on Feb 20, 2022 3:07:11 GMT
Spoilers
Watched this new Texas Chainsaw....overall decent. The broken arm neck stab is the kill that stands out and eventually I actually really liked the sisters, especially the older one. Then that last jump scare shot where Leatherface rips her out of the car and cuts her head off left me so mad that it kind of ruined all the good the movie did.
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Post by Lebowskidoo 🦞 on Feb 20, 2022 15:36:34 GMT
I had fun with this. It was never seriously trying to top the original, just carry on the story and do something new. Probably the most actual chainsaw action of the entire series. My only real gripe is that Leatherface has to be in his early 70's at least, shouldn't he be hangin' up the saw by now? Remind me to never take a bus to Texas...
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Post by Marv on Feb 20, 2022 19:53:26 GMT
I had fun with this. It was never seriously trying to top the original, just carry on the story and do something new. Probably the most actual chainsaw action of the entire series. My only real gripe is that Leatherface has to be in his early 70's at least, shouldn't he be hangin' up the saw by now? Remind me to never take a bus to Texas... I kept thinking…no emergency exit? Wtf?
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Post by forca84 on Feb 21, 2022 21:11:40 GMT
I had fun with this. It was never seriously trying to top the original, just carry on the story and do something new. Probably the most actual chainsaw action of the entire series. My only real gripe is that Leatherface has to be in his early 70's at least, shouldn't he be hangin' up the saw by now? Remind me to never take a bus to Texas... I kept thinking…no emergency exit? Wtf? Relax bro! It's a Party bus! 🥳 Even I was shocked by the attack on the Bus... Very wild. I actually felt bad for the passengers.
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Post by Vits on Jun 12, 2022 11:17:31 GMT
THE TEXAS CHAIN SAW MASSACRE 1974
6/10
THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE PART 2 isn't the first example where a sequel and its predecessor are part of different sub-genres, but I think it's the first example where the director of both is the same one (Tobe Hooper). Some of the characters in THE TEXAS CHAIN SAW (is it supposed to be one word or two?) MASSACRE 1974 did things that felt funny to them, but that doesn't mean the audience was supposed to laugh too. Said things were strange and shocking. The intended effect was discomfort. Therefore, I think following it up with a comedy was a bad idea (despite Hooper's insistence that it was the natural progression), especially one where the tone is so wacky. What makes the situation more muddled is that some moments are serious, but in a way that doesn't match the rest of the movie. Putting all that aside, it's just a boring movie, despite Richard Kooris' great cinematography. Without spoiling anything, the climax consists mainly of the villains being annoying and the ending is unsatisfyingly abrupt. You're probably thinking "Wait... Didn't the 1st installment do that too?" Yes, but it worked because the atmosphere and scope were different. An innocent person was trapped inside a house with a group of deranged murderers who enjoyed taunting her. Even the camera angles got tighter and tighter. There was no transition between the last shot and the black screen with no sound because it was a way for the viewer to take a breath after the intense ride the serial killer known as Leatherface and his family has put the victims and the audience through. Here, I kept counting the minutes for it to end... and when it did end, I groaned.
3/10
LEATHERFACE 1990: TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE PART III
1/10
TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE PART IV: THE NEXT GENERATION a.k.a. THE RETURN OF THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE
1/10
THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE 2003 is not as thrilling as the original (partly due to Glen Scantlebury's editing in some scenes), but at least it gets to the point a lot faster. Sure, it's 20 minutes longer, but that's because screenwriter Scott Kosar tried to expand the concept as much as he could. He deserves a lot of credit for (finally) subverting the "A person died and we have to hide the corpse because we're afraid that we'll be falsely accused of murdering them and/or we'll get in trouble for something else we recently did" trope. What confuses me is that the heroes (if you can even call them that) talk and behave like modern people, so why did Kosar bother to set the story in the early 1970s again? Oh, well, at least they're not forgettable like their counterparts from the 1st installment. Jessica Biel and Jonathan Tucker's performances are bad, but Mike Vogel, Eric Balfour and R. Lee Ermey's are decent.
4/10
THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE PART 2 2006: THE BEGINNING
3/10
Even though it remains close to its exploitation thriller roots, TEXAS CHAINSAW 2013 tries to use more traditional techniques from the horror genre (including badly-executed jump scares) than its 6 predecessors, which means I no longer have to be so forgiving when it comes to the lack of a proper atmosphere. The infidelity subplot is completely expendable and "Do your thing, cuz!" is one of the dumbest lines I've heard in a long time! Alexandra Daddario, Tremaine "Trey Songz" Neverson and Tania Raymonde's performances are very bad. You wanna know what I hate more than sequels where some of the original actors come back to play different characters while some of the original characters are played by different actors? Sequels that do that while also showing clips of the original film alongside the opening credits, because it makes these changes even more distracting. Also, don't just put the file on your timeline and trim it. Showing those clips in order like the "previously on" segment of a TV episode is lazy. At first, this movie shows them with some editing effects. They're basic, but at least it's something. At a certain point, those effects go away for no reason and all that's left are bits of that classic without anything truly transformative. Most titles released during the 3D craze of the early 2010s would show beings or objects getting close to the camera to the point of annoyance. Even thought that happens here too, I must single out the scene where Heather Miller (the protagonist) hides inside a coffin and Leatherface tries to cut into it. The fact that his chainsaw is the focus of the shot isn't just a gimmick to make it seem like it's about to come out of the screen. This is Heather's point of view, and the inside of the coffin is also part of the shot. The viewer can feel what she's feeling. Not just the fear of being massacred, but also the claustrophobia. That's why it works. Many slasher franchises start out by showing isolated events and eventually show the killer in situations that involve large groups of people (in order to reinforce the idea that they're an unstoppable force). I don't know why it took until 2013 for that to happen to this franchise, considering it had sequels until the early 1990s, but better late than never. It's not just about seeing Leatherface loose at a carnival, but also how a mob showed up to his house right after the events of the 1st installment and ended up making the situation worse. If they were characters who thought they were doing justice, it would've been deeper from a narrative point of view, but unfortunately, they come across as cartoons who are (kind-of) aware of how evil they aware. By the way, Heather discovers the truth behind everything I just described between the 55 and 70-minute marks. Since it's something the audience is already aware of (aside from 1 or 2 details), it feels like filler. Why not take the prologue and show it in its entirety during this part as a flashback? It would've been new information for the audience instead of us having to wait for Heather to catch up. If it's because the makers wanted the plot to "start with a bang," then they could've shown Leatherface murdering a random person in present day. And by "present day," I of course mean the early 1990s, since the characters age around 20 years. What's that? This takes place 40 years later? How does that make sense?!
3/10
LEATHERFACE 2017 had the potential to be the most creative installment, because of how it deviates from the franchise's formula. Unfortunately, the end result isn't entertaining in the slightest. Stephen Dorff and Lili Taylor's talents can't save it, but they do prevent it from being as boring as the 2nd and 3rd sequels. There's a scene where a nurse named Lizzy White trips inside an abandoned RV and... Let's just say that it seems like Sam Raimi took over directing duties for a moment. It feels out of place considering how different the overall tone of the movie is. Since this is a prequel, we already knew that the title character wasn't going to die or become a good person, but we didn't know all the details, especially when it comes to other characters. Therefore, a certain something that happens between him and Lizzy during the climax caught me by surprise. It's the only scene where all the filmmaking elements come together and something worthy is executed. The opening credits are arguably the worst ones of any mainstream production. I'm not exaggerating. It's a common mistake to show them during a scene, but to leave them on the screen for so long is a rookie mistake. The credits can't remain if the shot changes, because it's extra information that your eyes have to process. Go watch any movie or TV show and you'll notice that there are long gaps between each credit. It's because the person in charge of that task has to find shots that last the right amount of seconds.
1/10
TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE 2022
3/10
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Post by forca84 on Jun 23, 2022 3:53:54 GMT
And now there are rumblings we may get a sequel... I hope they can write a stronger script...
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jun 23, 2022 11:55:57 GMT
And now there are rumblings we may get a sequel... I hope they can write a stronger script... I doubt they will, but it's no surprise that they're going for a sequel. They clearly wanted this to start a new cycle, and even though nobody seemed to like it, everybody seemed to watch it.
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Post by forca84 on Jul 2, 2022 4:09:41 GMT
And now there are rumblings we may get a sequel... I hope they can write a stronger script... I doubt they will, but it's no surprise that they're going for a sequel. They clearly wanted this to start a new cycle, and even though nobody seemed to like it, everybody seemed to watch it. Here's hoping the main characters are more sympathetic and better written... I can dream.
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