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Post by Arlon10 on Oct 20, 2020 10:01:08 GMT
Is there an IMDB.V2 atheists club? There isn't a discussion board specifically designed for atheists (yet) so apparently they come here. I think they should count as an "organization" though since they do work together a lot. Do you like r/atheism on Reddit? I can tell you many people with strong indications of being atheist appear on r/DebateReligion on Reddit. Have you tried alt.atheism on Google Groups? I suspect the software on Google Groups is too outdated and inflexible. The software on Reddit is far better, but it still cannot compare to the flexible software on Proboards. Ironically the worse the software, the more members and no identifiable "regulars" who consistently respond such as we have here. You get lost in the crowds. I have often suggested that having an organization of atheists would be like having a book club for people who don't read. Is that fair? After all isn't it true that atheism isn't a thing, it's the absence of a thing? What could atheists have in common if not opposition to religion? Are any atheists here familiar with, or perhaps even members of these groups? - Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers (MAAF)
- Freedom From Religion Foundation (ffrf)
- American Atheists (AA !?!?)
From cursory examination the concentration of those groups tends to be the rights of atheists to avoid discrimination. FFRF was very active on talk radio as guests until about 2012. Are any atheists here familiar with or actively involved in these groups? - American Ethical Union (1876 by Felix Adler)
- American Humanist Association
- Communist parties (e.g. China, former Soviet Union, etc.)
What is an atheist anyway? A definition many keep pushing lately is that atheists "lack belief" in a god. That of course is what agnostics do. Atheists join debates against god and it requires beliefs to form such arguments. Claiming there is "no evidence" of a god is really just denying the evidence of the several concepts of a god. It is obvious that many atheists have a psychotic reaction to the word "belief" and refuse to admit they have any even while it is obvious they do have strong beliefs. Having been shown that belief can be a good thing, that beliefs can spare the time, resources and heartache involved in trying bad ideas over and over, many atheists have lately softened down. An identifiable cause of much atheism is inferior education, inadequate reading levels, and sometimes even severe mental limitations. Are there any atheist "leaders" who can show otherwise? When atheists start asking Christians whether they have killed their children yet ( link) I believe that signals serious atheism is coming to an end.
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Post by Isapop on Oct 20, 2020 11:54:42 GMT
When atheists start asking Christians whether they have killed their children yet ( link) I believe that signals serious atheism is coming to an end. And yet, no Christian on the board seems to be able to explain where that atheist actually has got it wrong in his analysis. Maybe then, it's really a signal about serious Christianity.
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Post by Arlon10 on Oct 20, 2020 12:57:44 GMT
When atheists start asking Christians whether they have killed their children yet ( link) I believe that signals serious atheism is coming to an end. And yet, no Christian on the board seems to be able to explain where that atheist actually has got it wrong in his analysis. Maybe then, it's really a signal about serious Christianity. Thou shalt no kill. I realize a lot of people struggle with the meaning of that commandment, but asking why people don't kill their children is not exactly a criticism of theism and must be a joke. Sure, some "Christians" and atheists are all about killing people but Jews and most other religions prefer to leave that to a god. Muslims kill in defense, when their culture is threatened. Atheism is also caused by protecting people from overreach. I mentioned three organizations that concentrate on that. That's also a major reason of the Democratic Party. What can happen a lot with that is
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Post by Isapop on Oct 20, 2020 13:34:55 GMT
And yet, no Christian on the board seems to be able to explain where that atheist actually has got it wrong in his analysis. Maybe then, it's really a signal about serious Christianity. Thou shalt no kill. Are you kidding? Since the OP already accounts for that (the forgiveness for sins passage) your answer barely qualifies as an attempt. So if you're a Christian (I don't know), it only bolsters my contention.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Oct 20, 2020 14:02:14 GMT
Are you kidding? Since the OP already accounts for that (the forgiveness for sins passage) your answer barely qualifies as an attempt. So if you're a Christian (I don't know), it only bolsters my contention. Why don't your kind ever single out the Muslims? Or the Jews?
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Post by Isapop on Oct 20, 2020 14:09:15 GMT
Are you kidding? Since the OP already accounts for that (the forgiveness for sins passage) your answer barely qualifies as an attempt. So if you're a Christian (I don't know), it only bolsters my contention. Why don't your kind ever single out the Muslims? Or the Jews? Ask the poster who posed the question.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Oct 20, 2020 15:42:56 GMT
Why don't your kind ever single out the Muslims? Or the Jews? Ask the poster who posed the question. I've already asked him this:
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Post by Arlon10 on Oct 20, 2020 16:01:23 GMT
Are you kidding? Since the OP already accounts for that (the forgiveness for sins passage) your answer barely qualifies as an attempt. So if you're a Christian (I don't know), it only bolsters my contention. I think it's important for you to realize that your characterizations of religion or Christianity are only that, your characterizations. They are ridiculous. There might be a few people who actually think that way and call themselves religious, but they shouldn't speak for religion either. If it has not occurred to you how ridiculous it is to complain about a problem that does not exist, maybe get another hobby. Have you considered trout fishing?
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Post by lowtacks86 on Oct 20, 2020 16:08:27 GMT
"Having been shown that belief can be a good thing, that beliefs can spare the time, resources and heartache involved in trying bad ideas over and over, many atheists have lately softened down." Very terrible argument, just because something is more convenient doesn't make it better. It would be more "convenient" for cops to shoot criminals on sight rather than arresting them and having them tried (which can take a lot of time and resources), that doesn't make it more ideal. You're obstentially making an argument for intellectual laziness. "An identifiable cause of much atheism is inferior education, inadequate reading levels, and sometimes even severe mental limitations. Are there any atheist "leaders" who can show otherwise?" Except data shows correlation between education and irrelgiosity and scientists on average tend to be less religious than the general population: www.pewforum.org/2017/04/26/in-america-does-more-education-equal-less-religion/pf-04-26-2017_-useducation-00-07/www.pewforum.org/2009/11/05/scientists-and-belief/"When atheists start asking Christians whether they have killed their children yet (link) I believe that signals serious atheism is coming to an end." Except religion has been on the decline: www.pewforum.org/2019/10/17/in-u-s-decline-of-christianity-continues-at-rapid-pace/www.huffpost.com/entry/religion-declining-secula_b_9889398Serious question, do you actually bother looking at data or do you just make stuff up? Wait, why am I asking, I already know the answer... |
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Post by Aj_June on Oct 20, 2020 16:18:19 GMT
There should be no philosophical reason for atheists to create groups as atheism is not based on an active belief system. That said humans form groups for many different reasons and may be there are some atheist groups. I stay clear of all religion/race/ethnicity/nationality related groups.
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Post by Isapop on Oct 20, 2020 16:43:01 GMT
Are you kidding? Since the OP already accounts for that (the forgiveness for sins passage) your answer barely qualifies as an attempt. So if you're a Christian (I don't know), it only bolsters my contention. I think it's important for you to realize that your characterizations of religion or Christianity are only that, your characterizations. They are ridiculous. There might be a few people who actually think that way and call themselves religious, but they shouldn't speak for religion either. If it has not occurred to you how ridiculous it is to complain about a problem that does not exist, maybe get another hobby. Have you considered trout fishing? This exchange has not even TOUCHED on my "characterizations of religion or Christianity". So, (as often happens) you leave me to muse, "What the hell is he even talking about?" Then I shrug and move on.
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Post by Isapop on Oct 20, 2020 16:48:16 GMT
Ask the poster who posed the question. I've already asked him this: Then if you can't wait for his answer, start a thread for everyone asking why Islam and Judaism seem to get a free pass on the board while Christianity gets the heat. Do that, rather than hurl some accusatory question at me.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Oct 20, 2020 16:51:43 GMT
I've already asked him this: Then if you can't wait for his answer, start a thread for everyone asking why Islam and Judaism seem to get a free pass on the board while Christianity gets the heat. Do that, rather than hurl some accusatory question at me. Four hours ago, you wrote: Why was the stupid question asked only of Christians?
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Post by Isapop on Oct 20, 2020 17:01:01 GMT
Then if you can't wait for his answer, start a thread for everyone asking why Islam and Judaism seem to get a free pass on the board while Christianity gets the heat. Do that, rather than hurl some accusatory question at me. Four hours ago, you wrote: Why was the stupid question asked only of Christians? My comment was observing the failure of any Christian to take on his question. Your question is for him, since he asked it. I can't (and wouldn't try to) speak for him.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Oct 20, 2020 17:03:40 GMT
Four hours ago, you wrote: Why was the stupid question asked only of Christians? My comment was observing the failure of any Christian to take on his question. Your question is for him, since he asked it. I can't (and wouldn't try to) speak for him. You'll defend the brainless question but you won't defend the motivation behind it? I expected nothing more from you.
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Post by Isapop on Oct 20, 2020 17:14:10 GMT
My comment was observing the failure of any Christian to take on his question. Your question is for him, since he asked it. I can't (and wouldn't try to) speak for him. You'll defend the brainless question but you won't defend the motivation behind it? I expected nothing more from you. You'll call it a brainless question without explaining what makes it brainless. And you expect me to know another poster's motives when you can hector him for an answer. As for your expectations of me, they are, let's say, confused.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Oct 20, 2020 17:29:45 GMT
You'll defend the brainless question but you won't defend the motivation behind it? I expected nothing more from you. You'll call it a brainless question without explaining what makes it brainless. And you expect me to know another poster's motives when you can hector him for an answer. As for your expectations of me, they are, let's say, confused. No explanation is necessary except to a brainless individual, and then the brainless individual still wouldn't get it. Why don't atheists kill their children? It would spare them from growing up in a world full of Christians. Analyze that.
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Post by Isapop on Oct 20, 2020 17:33:07 GMT
You'll call it a brainless question without explaining what makes it brainless. And you expect me to know another poster's motives when you can hector him for an answer. As for your expectations of me, they are, let's say, confused.No explanation is necessary except to a brainless individual, and then the brainless individual still wouldn't get it. Why don't atheists kill their children? It would spare them from growing up in a world full of Christians. Analyze that. Because, for a typical atheist, this life is all there is. See? Simple. I explained it.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Oct 20, 2020 17:36:10 GMT
No explanation is necessary except to a brainless individual, and then the brainless individual still wouldn't get it. Why don't atheists kill their children? It would spare them from growing up in a world full of Christians. Analyze that. Because, for a typical atheist, this life is all there is. See? Simple. I explained it. Not really, but if you regard mortal life as the only life there is, shouldn't you have some respect for others who believe differently? Is that too much of a minus?
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Post by Isapop on Oct 20, 2020 18:29:22 GMT
Because, for a typical atheist, this life is all there is. See? Simple. I explained it. shouldn't you have some respect for others who believe differently? Of course. And that has nothing, whatsoever, to do with this.
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