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Post by lenlenlen1 on Oct 21, 2020 16:33:07 GMT
No. Because we don't live in the fucking dark ages. Within our own life times there were lynchings, and lets be honest, those were public executions under another name, and all the people that did those were fucking assholes of the highest magnitude. I don't count myself amongst the kind of people that could do or enjoy that. And I think anyone that would is an asshole of the highest order. Not to mention the fact that the people being killed weren't guilty of anything more than being different.
I would even go as far as to say that I wouldn't go to a public execution even if I was 100% sure the person was guilty of a horrible crime. Its just not in me to enjoy someone's execution. I don't enjoy real death. Fictional, imaginary death in a movie or book is gruesome enough for me, thanks.
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Post by autumn on Oct 21, 2020 23:00:40 GMT
No. Because we don't live in the fucking dark ages. Within our own life times there were lynchings, and lets be honest, those were public executions under another name, and all the people that did those were fucking assholes of the highest magnitude. I don't count myself amongst the kind of people that could do or enjoy that. And I think anyone that would is an asshole of the highest order. Not to mention the fact that the people being killed weren't guilty of anything more than being different.
I would even go as far as to say that I wouldn't go to a public execution even if I was 100% sure the person was guilty of a horrible crime. Its just not in me to enjoy someone's execution. I don't enjoy real death. Fictional, imaginary death in a movie or book is gruesome enough for me, thanks.
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What disgusts me about that ^ photo is how people are SMILING. The horrific audacity and appalling atrocity of this is horrific. SMILING? At lynching? What kind of sick fuckers do that? This may make me sound hypocritical but it makes me want to take a bat to their stupid smug heads, each and every one of them.
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Post by moonchild on Oct 21, 2020 23:29:53 GMT
They enjoyed taking lives so I don't view their life as worthy of saving
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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 22, 2020 3:19:46 GMT
I don't think you can just dismiss them as "ignorant rednecks". They're average people who are not used to seeing dead bodies strung up in trees. Let me just say my grandparents were probably as racist as those people. (I don't know because I never talked to my grandparents about race. But they were average Americans.) My grandparents would not have gawked at dead bodies so cavalierly and they especially would not have let children go anywhere near them.
I don't understand it and I would like a better explanation than "ignorant rednecks". So you don’t like the thought of having rednecks in your lineage? What are they then? Take rednecks out of the equation and they are still ignorant. This photo is the quintessential image of lynch mob mentality. "Ignorant rednecks" is somewhat a forgiving term. The smiles on some of their faces indicates something much darker. Is "hate-filled and intolerant bigot" the more enlightening term?
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Oct 22, 2020 17:16:56 GMT
No. Because we don't live in the fucking dark ages. Within our own life times there were lynchings, and lets be honest, those were public executions under another name, and all the people that did those were fucking assholes of the highest magnitude. I don't count myself amongst the kind of people that could do or enjoy that. And I think anyone that would is an asshole of the highest order. Not to mention the fact that the people being killed weren't guilty of anything more than being different.
I would even go as far as to say that I wouldn't go to a public execution even if I was 100% sure the person was guilty of a horrible crime. Its just not in me to enjoy someone's execution. I don't enjoy real death. Fictional, imaginary death in a movie or book is gruesome enough for me, thanks.
A mass gathering of assholes:
What disgusts me about that ^ photo is how people are SMILING. The horrific audacity and appalling atrocity of this is horrific. SMILING? At lynching? What kind of sick fuckers do that? This may make me sound hypocritical but it makes me want to take a bat to their stupid smug heads, each and every one of them. I'm sure we could find even worse pictures than this too. Apparently people came from far and wide, in masses, as if it were entertainment, the nights festivities. Sometimes the body was burned too, to provide evening light. I wouldn't be surprised at all if there was singing and dancing and even getting together to socialize with folks you knew or hadn't seen in a while. Its fucking disgusting that this happened within our lifetimes in our country. One little boy was lynched because he "supposedly" whistled at a white woman. I honestly doubt that was true anyway. He wouldn't have been that careless.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Oct 22, 2020 17:33:46 GMT
I am glad that Canada doesn't have the death penalty and in the unlikely event that the matter is ever put to a popular vote I won't hesitate to vote 'No'. Having said that, I am not against the principle of the death penalty. I don't think there is anything morally wrong with executing people guilty of particularly horrendous crimes. Still, I would never even entertain the idea of voluntarily attending a public execution.
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Post by moonchild on Oct 22, 2020 20:34:39 GMT
They enjoyed taking lives so I don't view their life as worthy of saving It would depend on the circumstance and dynamic of each situation Ms. Moon. We can’t possibly know if any killer enjoyed taking the lives of the person they snuffed out. Does a soldier in war enjoy killing? That is then deemed an exception by many in the establishment who condone military conflict. This is where the grey area lies, not to mention the double standard and hypocrisy surrounding human life. I know I didn’t and haven’t asked for any one to save or protect me from others agendas. I was meaning people who are cruel to children and serial killers. They asked Bundy why he did it and he said it was because he liked it. I mean, they're not going to do it unless they enjoy it, I see no point
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Post by TheOriginalPinky on Oct 23, 2020 1:03:58 GMT
No, I would not. It's not a spectator sport.
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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 23, 2020 4:17:34 GMT
No, I would not. It's not a spectator sport. I'm pretty sure that back in the day it was.
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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 23, 2020 4:34:52 GMT
Why did you make your grandparents about the context? That seems a bit self-absorbed gamey. Are you suggesting that those in the image just took a casual Sunday drive out to look at the "Strange Fruit" hanging from the trees? And yes, some look like it is the most casual thing in the world, or if it was something of fascination, then they were there to witness something they really wanted to see. Rednecks or not, it appears all those that were captured in that shot, have incriminated themselves regarding the social milieu. They don't exactly all look like authority, (or they were acting mandated authority), or part of the media to me. I saw an old 1940's photo recently of a German schoolboy casually walking past a pile of dead bodies. He was smiling and didn't even look at the corpses of the Holocaust victims. I'm telling you it's rather bigoted and shallow of you to try and label this as a "redneck" issue. It's a human issue. It's thinking like yours which may end up with white rednecks hanging from trees some day.
I point to my grandparents because they were probably of the same generation as those in the photo. They were prejudiced like all whites of that time period. And they would not have approved of lynching black men or any men. You're not addressing the real issue!
I think you're misinterpreting Toasty. A "redneck" would be a person who labors outside in the sun and gets the sunburned neck, hence the name. Toasty didn't pull that out of nowhere. "Redneck" is usually associated with the type of mentality that goes with the ignorant and bigoted white person. And people usually think of the South. And of course it's a human issue. Nobody said it wasn't. I can't believe that you didn't know that this is what Toasty meant. I don't think all "rednecks" would smile seeing the "strange fruit". I agree with you on that. Gosh, I heard that Billie Holiday song twenty times before I knew what she was singing about. It is chilling.
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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 23, 2020 4:46:45 GMT
What a sad story. Poor little guy. He had such a cute smile.
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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 23, 2020 4:48:28 GMT
You don't listen and you don't learn. It sounds like you're dismissing the white working class as cavalierly as those hatemongers dismiss the lives of that "strange fruit".
And speaking of strange fruit ... Stop making up stories and conflating something to suit whatever cryptic narrative you think best showcases you. I thought those people in the photos were genteel aristocracy, now they are white working class.... (strange fruit eye roll). Who gives a s<>t what they are. Ignorant bigots are just that, even if they didn’t know any better. That was funny.
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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 23, 2020 6:02:02 GMT
What disgusts me about that ^ photo is how people are SMILING. The horrific audacity and appalling atrocity of this is horrific. SMILING? At lynching? What kind of sick fuckers do that? This may make me sound hypocritical but it makes me want to take a bat to their stupid smug heads, each and every one of them. I'm sure we could find even worse pictures than this too. Apparently people came from far and wide, in masses, as if it were entertainment, the nights festivities. Sometimes the body was burned too, to provide evening light. I wouldn't be surprised at all if there was singing and dancing and even getting together to socialize with folks you knew or hadn't seen in a while. Its fucking disgusting that this happened within our lifetimes in our country. One little boy was lynched because he "supposedly" whistled at a white woman. I honestly doubt that was true anyway. He wouldn't have been that careless. If you are referring to Emmett Till, yes, I do believe that he whistled at a white woman. I think the story goes that Emmett was from Chicago, where people just blended in more and racial tensions weren't as high. The boy went to the much more bigoted south (Mississippi?) for whatever reason and that is where he made his fatal error in judgment. It was a horrifying thing to have happened.
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 23, 2020 7:05:02 GMT
No way--but to think at one time it was public entertainment for kids. Pouring hot lead down people's throats, drawn and quartering..
Then again the concept of childhood was very different at one time--you went from baby to mini adult...
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Post by Sarge on Oct 23, 2020 7:37:03 GMT
Voted yes. I force myself to watch all sorts of unpleasant things like nature videos of animals killing and eating other animals. Not because I enjoy it, I don't, but because I don't want to lose touch with the brutality and viciousness of nature. And we humans are part of nature. Just as a pack of hyenas will eat their prey while it lives, so will we. I allowed myself to lose touch once and trust my own judgement of people and paid the price, never again.
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Post by TheOriginalPinky on Oct 23, 2020 13:48:35 GMT
No, I would not. It's not a spectator sport. I'm pretty sure that back in the day it was. I'm not referring to "back in the day". It's barbaric.
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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 23, 2020 15:18:07 GMT
I'm pretty sure that back in the day it was. I'm not referring to "back in the day". It's barbaric. Well, in a way I was referring to "back in the day". I'm aware that public executions are a thing of the past. At least in America. They still might take place in middle eastern countries or maybe China. I thought it was obvious that my question was to gauge the individual's temperament in being capable of witnessing such an event. More or less, I was asking you to imagine the scenario and to speculate whether or not you would in theory attend a public execution. Was this not clear? I do agree that it is barbaric.
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Post by TheOriginalPinky on Oct 23, 2020 15:31:28 GMT
I'm not referring to "back in the day". It's barbaric. Well, in a way I was referring to "back in the day". I'm aware that public executions are a thing of the past. At least in America. They still might take place in middle eastern countries or maybe China. I thought it was obvious that my question was to gauge the individual's temperament in being capable of witnessing such an event. More or less, I was asking you to imagine the scenario and to speculate whether or not you would in theory attend a public execution. Was this not clear? I do agree that it is barbaric. In theory and in practice, the answer is no.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Oct 23, 2020 17:31:25 GMT
I'm sure we could find even worse pictures than this too. Apparently people came from far and wide, in masses, as if it were entertainment, the nights festivities. Sometimes the body was burned too, to provide evening light. I wouldn't be surprised at all if there was singing and dancing and even getting together to socialize with folks you knew or hadn't seen in a while. Its fucking disgusting that this happened within our lifetimes in our country. One little boy was lynched because he "supposedly" whistled at a white woman. I honestly doubt that was true anyway. He wouldn't have been that careless. lenny, do you have a source for that photo you posted and more information on it? I don't have more info on that particular pic, but all you have to do is google images lynchings and it will lead you to tons of pics and articles.
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Post by movieliker on Oct 23, 2020 19:01:10 GMT
I put other. When I was young --- yes. But now that I'm older --- no.
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