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Post by The Herald Erjen on Oct 30, 2020 23:17:34 GMT
I think we've agreed on this topic for the most part, but on this particular post I'm going to disagree. it might seem hypocritical to want someone to be punished but not want to watch it happening, but that's human nature. If someone killed someone I love I would want them punished, but I also wouldn't want to watch it. So I guess where I fall on it is that I would hope the society I live in would be better than my worst impulses and would not punish people in cruel and inhumane ways. Whoever the "powers that be" are should make better decisions than the ones I would make. In other words, not Trump LOLSo you are giving your power away then lenny to the powers that be, whomever they are. You be the power that be, don’t let others decisions undermine your own soul. What a load of touchy-feely crap that was.
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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 30, 2020 23:38:58 GMT
Posting a gif from The Evil Dead (I don't remember if that's 1 or 2) does not help you make your case. Kind've the opposite really. We are demons in disguise lenny... dirtypillows, may as well give em’ another reason to have a phobia and fear us.... I know, right! Come on down and join us! All we're doing is watching "The Poseidon Adventure"! Plus all the chips and soda you want!
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Oct 30, 2020 23:40:03 GMT
That is absurd. You can't possibly truly believe that. That's like saying that a drunk driver who kills someone is no better than a serial killer who tortures and kills people for fun. Sure, both need to pay for their crimes, but the degree of severity is several orders of magnitude higher in one case than it is in the other. Same thing for executioners X murderers being executed; if you want to say that both are killers, fine, that is your prerogative, but you must acknowledge that the latter are worse than the former. Yup, I do believe that. Is it really about what is worse in comparison when it comes to execution? It takes a killer to kill. Even those in the administration of it are still culpable within themselves. Killing is wrong, so the punishment is death??? Sounds like revenge tactics to me. What other sense is there to make of it? So when a kidnapper is sent to prison the prison officers and warden are as bad as he is? He deprived someone of their freedom and now society is exacting revenge on him by depriving him of his freedom? Killing is wrong, but some killings are wronger than others. That's a pretty basic concept.
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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 30, 2020 23:42:20 GMT
That is absurd. You can't possibly truly believe that. That's like saying that a drunk driver who kills someone is no better than a serial killer who tortures and kills people for fun. Sure, both need to pay for their crimes, but the degree of severity is several orders of magnitude higher in one case than it is in the other. Same thing for executioners X murderers being executed; if you want to say that both are killers, fine, that is your prerogative, but you must acknowledge that the latter are worse than the former. Yup, I do believe that. Is it really about what is worse in comparison when it comes to execution? It takes a killer to kill. Even those in the administration of it are still culpable within themselves. Killing is wrong, so the punishment is death??? Sounds like revenge tactics to me. What other sense is there to make of it? Yes. The hypocrisy is deeply disturbing. I read bumper stickers that say "justice without revenge". Well, justice is going to be important. But most people who cry out for the death penalty are coming from a place of retribution and revenge.
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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 30, 2020 23:44:32 GMT
I've probably changed a bit in my middle years regarding the topic, but while there are some killers for whom it's really hard to feel remorse (e.g., John Wayne Gacy and Albert Fish), I still feel sad for what might have been. 'What might have been' regarding....? Just that when a person decides to kill somebody, they have pretty much altered the course of their lives forever.
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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 30, 2020 23:49:29 GMT
Nah, all the fun ways to execute people were banned. If I'm gonna dirty my soul, I want to see heads flying. Yeah! Let’s bring some macabre and cruel creativity back into executions and have some fun with it, like in Braveheart.
I read about what happens at the end of "Braveheart". For that reason alone, I don't think I will ever watch it. Mel Gibson must have a martyr complex. He made "The Passion of Christ" and even though I will never see that movie, either, I think I get the gist of it. I don't mind MG, either. When he shows a sense of humor, he can be likable and charming. He was on The Dame Edna Show before. And he was so handsome when he was younger. I like the first two Mad Max movies. Never saw the third one with Tina Turner.
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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 31, 2020 0:00:43 GMT
I think I misremembered that I saw "Hang em High". It's the Clint Eastwood movie, right? But I don't remember that scene. My dream last night had Aileen Wournos in it. We were in a chain gang and we had to work in a wheat field. Her last meal request was a fish sandwich from McDonalds.
I am eating Maccas right now. Was tempted to get a Filet O' Fish burger, but don't eat them because I'm vegetarian but felt like one. Ended up with my usual McVege burger meal. Quite similar in texture and sauce to a Fish Burger.
Poor Aileen! You are very connected to her tale Mr. Dirty. Your compassion runs so very very deep. Many would say she deserved what she got, but wouldn't even think about the layer surrounding her predicament in life.
I can't say for sure why I have such strong feelings about Aileen Wournos, other than her life was hell from the beginning. If anybody could be said to be doomed from the start, it was her. I mean I don't think anybody cared about her, at all. Maybe her brother, but even that would have been unhealthy as they were having sex when they were kids. The thing with Aileen is that when I see her in those two documentaries and other interviews as well, there is a real sweetness in her. It's like she wanted to make a human connection. I really do think she wanted love and friendship, but it was just not in the cards for her. And I really can't think of a fate worse than love and affection and friendship being not in the cards for somebody. Her life was destined to play out the way it did. Aileen was the ultimate scapegoat.
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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 31, 2020 0:09:37 GMT
Regardless of how I may feel about the person being executed, I don't think I could EVER make an exception to being part of a public spectacle like an execution. Those administering it are no better than the condemned. I think you are wrong. Do you have a criminal back ground? I remember the morning Ted Bundy was executed. People were gathered outside the prison cheering at the set time he was suppose to die. Bundy raped and killed 30 women and girls all of whom were better than him. He got what he deserved. I believe that a lot of people are just plain bloodthirsty. This is pretty much a hardwired fact. I shared this before, but I had a friend who was murdered. His name was Howard Sikorski. He was twenty years old. His killer shot him six times in the head. A total waste. And when his killer was put to death many years later, I didn't feel a bit of closure and I certainly didn't rejoice. It didn't make me feel one bit better. In fact, it made me feel worse. My stomach dropped. It was a peculiarly awful feeling.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Oct 31, 2020 1:01:48 GMT
What a load of touchy-feely crap that was. So you do want others to undermine your own soul, by limiting yourself to the powers of others, over and above your own erj? It's not about that. It's about dealing with it the way it is.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Oct 31, 2020 1:08:31 GMT
It's not about that. It's about dealing with it the way it is. Dealing with what the way it is? You are responsible for your own actions and beliefs. Intention behind everything is what determines who we really are. If the intention is corrupted, then for want of a better term, the soul is too. Acting in a corrupted manner, because one feels another is corrupted, only endorses corruption. The question is: Would you attend a public execution? Nothing much Zen about it.
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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 31, 2020 3:18:49 GMT
I know, right! Come on down and join us! All we're doing is watching "The Poseidon Adventure"! Plus all the chips and soda you want! Homos! Hell upside down.... That's cute!
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Nov 1, 2020 11:18:42 GMT
I rather not.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 2, 2020 19:35:12 GMT
I think we've agreed on this topic for the most part, but on this particular post I'm going to disagree. it might seem hypocritical to want someone to be punished but not want to watch it happening, but that's human nature. If someone killed someone I love I would want them punished, but I also wouldn't want to watch it. So I guess where I fall on it is that I would hope the society I live in would be better than my worst impulses and would not punish people in cruel and inhumane ways. Whoever the "powers that be" are should make better decisions than the ones I would make. In other words, not Trump LOLSo you are giving your power away then lenny to the powers that be, whomever they are. You be the power that be, don’t let others decisions undermine your own soul. That's one way of looking at it. Another is that I vote for politicians that I believe are A) in line with my beliefs, and B) smarter than me. You tomatoes, I say tomahtoes.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 2, 2020 19:38:04 GMT
Remember, you said it, not me! Write all your posts to Toasted Cheese LOL Homos have been seen as evil and defying the good lord for eons lenny. Any reason for persecution. I'd hardly think I am the first to claim we are wickedly diabolical..... Well, I do not see homos as evil and do not persecute based on sexual orientation. And that sort of thinking is turning around.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Nov 2, 2020 20:45:30 GMT
That's one way of looking at it. Another is that I vote for politicians that I believe are A) in line with my beliefs, and B) smarter than me. You tomatoes, I say tomahtoes. Where I am, I vote for politicians because it’s compulsory, not because I think they know better than me or are smarter. The death penalty is just one in another myriad of corrupt issues with the US compared to other western forward thinking countries. I know I could never choose to vote for a politician who was pro-death penalty. It would not assist in developing my soul. You insist there's no God but you believe in the soul?
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 2, 2020 20:57:07 GMT
That's one way of looking at it. Another is that I vote for politicians that I believe are A) in line with my beliefs, and B) smarter than me. You tomatoes, I say tomahtoes. Where I am, I vote for politicians because it’s compulsory, not because I think they know better than me or are smarter. The death penalty is just one in another myriad of corrupt issues with the US compared to other western forward thinking countries. I know I could never choose to vote for a politician who was pro-death penalty. It would not assist in developing my soul. Ugh! We don't vote if we don't want to. I'd hate to be forced to.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Nov 3, 2020 6:09:10 GMT
You insist there's no God but you believe in the soul? Soul is a throwaway word erj and it depends on what ones notion of soul is. I do not correlate soul with a separate human being to a separate religious god. That explains it. With you soul is a throwaway word.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Nov 3, 2020 6:28:14 GMT
That explains it. With you soul is a throwaway word. Explains what? Do you have something else to add that might enlighten me? To me the person does not have a soul. The person is a soul. And the soul survives the death of the body.
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Post by Morgana on Nov 3, 2020 7:24:10 GMT
I'm going to say the average females life is much more sacred than most (all?) murderers never mind a serial killers. I'm not sure why being gay would figure into any of it. You know who I think should be a more popular serial killer? Dennis Rader aka BTK Killer. He was pretty prolific. He taunted the media and cops. He was seriously sadistic and twisted yet was one of the few serial killers that had never been arrested or even suspected by neighbors or co workers etc... as being odd. He was only finally caught because a decade after his last kill he taunted the media and cops again which led to his arrest. Otherwise he would still be free and cross dressing while reminiscing about his younger days as a psychopathic murderer. I think part of his lack of popularity (aside from being a homicidal maniac) is he killed in Kansas which is not a sexy state and his branding is weak. BTK is just confusing in general and probably makes people think about the popular hamburger chain. For more information about BTK Strangler visit your local library or watch this video. I was making a point that the majority of Gacy's and Dahmer's victims were most likely gay. I was playing a bit of devil's advocate, as Bundy's heinous crimes tend to get cited the most and is this due to the fact that he was killing women? I was wondering if the poster felt that this was a more serious dynamic. I think the reason is that Bundy was handsome, charismatic, charming, and intelligent. He is seen as being the antithesis of what most people would consider a serial killer to be. He probably could have had almost any woman he wanted, he could have had a good career. To me, that seems why a lot of people seem to be fascinated by him.
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Post by Morgana on Nov 3, 2020 7:37:21 GMT
Nah, all the fun ways to execute people were banned. If I'm gonna dirty my soul, I want to see heads flying. Go to Saudi Arabia. They still execute people in public there. With a sword, no less.
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