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Post by janntosh on Oct 22, 2020 16:08:05 GMT
bad message because it shows that the McFly is automatically better off because they have more money. Thoughts?
https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/cn6oh1/which_film_delivers_the_most_terrible_messages_in/ew83f07/
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 22, 2020 16:21:56 GMT
No because his father lacked confidence to live up to his dreams.
He would have been a loser and settled.
Further there wouldn’t be any closure since Marty’s parents were also major characters that needed their own arcs.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Oct 22, 2020 17:09:26 GMT
I think it's okay that they were a *little" more well off (I mean, they were still living in the same house). What stood out to me are the yuppie asshole attitudes that came with it. His sister's multiple boyfriends, his brother's smug haughtiness ("I always wear a suit to the office", "WHEN THE HELL DID THIS HAPPEN?"), George hiring his wife's attempted rapist just to humiliate him.
If Crispin didn't dip out on the sequels, maybe they could have explored that the new Mcfly's weren't perfect either.
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Oct 22, 2020 17:26:48 GMT
No because his father lacked confidence to live up to his dreams. He would have been a loser and settled. Further there wouldn’t be any closure since Marty’s parents were also major characters that needed their own arcs. “Oh, that Biff! If he didn’t try to sexually assault you, we’d never would have fallen in love.” |
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 22, 2020 19:31:25 GMT
The movie has a "nurture over nature" message. That one incident can radically change someone's personality.
So Biff gets punched and drives into a manure truck and gets the idea to become a gayish posturing car refurbishing guy instead of some kind of white collar desk job.
George totally changes--especially when he shoves that guy away at the dance.
Dave becomes Alex P Keaton!
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Oct 22, 2020 19:52:39 GMT
The movie has a "nurture over nature" message. That one incident can radically change someone's personality. So Biff gets punched and drives into a manure truck and gets the idea to become a gayish posturing car refurbishing guy instead of some kind of white collar desk job. Well, Biff only got that job in the original timeline because he forced George to do all of his swork. With no one else to leech off of, Gay Posturing Car Refurbishment was the best job he could get. Part II shows it's a front and he's still an asshole. |
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 22, 2020 20:02:27 GMT
Well, Biff only got that job in the original timeline because he forced George to do all of his swork. With no one else to leech off of, Gay Posturing Car Refurbishment was the best job he could get. Part II shows it's a front and he's still an asshole. He acted normal when George first talked to him and then after he said "Biff, don't con me" he put on the act and held his hand kind of gay-like at his hips-but when he came inside he really acted fruity. "It's your new book!" But the thing is, it was his own business but whatever job he had before, he was white collar though not the boss.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Oct 22, 2020 20:24:41 GMT
Well, Biff only got that job in the original timeline because he forced George to do all of his swork. With no one else to leech off of, Gay Posturing Car Refurbishment was the best job he could get. Part II shows it's a front and he's still an asshole. He acted normal when George first talked to him and then after he said "Biff, don't con me" he put on the act and held his hand kind of gay-like at his hips-but when he came inside he really acted fruity. "It's your new book!" But the thing is, it was his own business but whatever job he had before, he was white collar though not the boss.
The gay stuff must be the only way George would let him anywhere near his wife again. "Oh, I guess Biff was just really confused in high school. Come wax my car!" |
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 22, 2020 20:35:10 GMT
The gay stuff must be the only way George would let him anywhere near his wife again. "Oh, I guess Biff was just really confused in high school. Come wax my car!" Ha maybe. He was really bitter by 2015.
I HATED that stupid "are you chicken?" subplot they added in the sequels. There was a guy who did articles on the films for Starlog-he theorized that the Marty of the happy universe ended up stuck in the failed parents universe of the original Marty--he had it all worked out--Marty 2 would have been told by Doc Brown not to tamper with anything if he went into the past--so he would not have crashed into the pine trees (since he would have been a better driver) he would have had extra plutonium and been able to leave 1955 right away--thus ending up in the timeline with the dud parents and dead Doc Brown. On the VHS tape-at the beginning when Doc Brown throws his gun down in front of the Libyans, you can see a shadow moving by the JC Penny sign--turns out it was just an image shadow--but people thought it was Marty 2.
He even theorized that the Marty of 2015 who was a bum was Marty 2. But then Back to the Future 3 screwed it all up and he gave up on his theories.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Oct 22, 2020 20:53:12 GMT
The gay stuff must be the only way George would let him anywhere near his wife again. "Oh, I guess Biff was just really confused in high school. Come wax my car!" Ha maybe. He was really bitter by 2015.
I HATED that stupid "are you chicken?" subplot they added in the sequels. There was a guy who did articles on the films for Starlog-he theorized that the Marty of the happy universe ended up stuck in the failed parents universe of the original Marty--he had it all worked out--Marty 2 would have been told by Doc Brown not to tamper with anything if he went into the past--so he would not have crashed into the pine trees (since he would have been a better driver) he would have had extra plutonium and been able to leave 1955 right away--thus ending up in the timeline with the dud parents and dead Doc Brown. On the VHS tape-at the beginning when Doc Brown throws his gun down in front of the Libyans, you can see a shadow moving by the JC Penny sign--turns out it was just an image shadow--but people thought it was Marty 2.
He even theorized that the Marty of 2015 who was a bum was Marty 2. But then Back to the Future 3 screwed it all up and he gave up on his theories.
Yeah, the chicken stuff was pretty random and OOC for the Marty from the first film. That theory is interesting. I've also heard the theory that time is sentient in the BttF universe (which is why the car stalled in the first film giving Marty just the right amount of time to hit the lightning strike), so maybe the chicken stuff was a personality trait of an overcompensating silver spoon Marty (Marty 2) and it started to bleed over into Marty 1 so that he'd do certain things to maintain time's continuity, like his car accident. |
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Post by Vits on Oct 22, 2020 22:45:23 GMT
If we followed this logic, then it would also be wrong to show that George got a better life than Biff by punching him. I don't see that as toxic masculinity and I don't see the ending itself as a "money can buy happiness" message. This is all wish fulfillment in a lighthearted comedy. Besides, it's not like the McFlys stumbled onto these new things or they cheated in order to become rich (which is what Biff did in the sequel). They did work to earn their money. We just didn't see it.
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Post by femalefan on Oct 22, 2020 23:41:29 GMT
He's wrong. The McFly's were as well off as there were because Marty helped young George stand up to Biff and gain courage to write books. Plus they worked hard.
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 23, 2020 0:11:49 GMT
His comments on the ending killed Bob Gale's career.
I think originally George got rich and Glover suggested he write novels (it was his first novel so he wasn't that rich was he?).
But because of that, when they did the sequel, Glover was offered a low salary because Gale remembered what he said about money.
But since they used some footage of Glover in the film without his permission--he sued--and Spielberg was sued too-and Spielberg didn't like that. Gale was the one who got punished for it. Ostracized.
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on Oct 24, 2020 4:14:03 GMT
The only reason they ended up wealthy was due to George having learned to believe in himself and his own abilities. His newly discovered self-confidence enabled him to make more of an effort with his life. The financial success was just one consequence of the fundamental shift in his mindset. Nothing happened "magically". George earned everything through hard work and effort. And I very much doubt any of that success came about overnight. Marty skips ahead 30 years, so it just appears that way to him.
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