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Post by janntosh on Oct 25, 2020 15:48:44 GMT
Haven’t watched it yet though I plan to. The main thing I noticed about this movie is how huge but was. In 1984 it Outgrossed not only Temple of Doom but even the original release of Ghostbusters (though that got a re release the next year which pushed it over BHc) and Back to the Future the following year despite those two films feeling way more iconic. Adjusted for inflation it probably is at 500m or so domestically. Why was this movie such a phenomenon?
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Post by kolchak92 on Oct 25, 2020 15:52:32 GMT
Word-of-mouth maybe? I mean, I wasn't around back then, but it's a very funny and entertaining movie and I imagine word-of-mouth quickly spread about how good it was.
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Post by johnspartan on Oct 25, 2020 16:11:21 GMT
Haven’t watched it yet though I plan to. The main thing I noticed about this movie is how huge but was. In 1984 it Outgrossed not only Temple of Doom but even the original release of Ghostbusters (though that got a re release the next year which pushed it over BHc) and Back to the Future the following year despite those two films feeling way more iconic. Adjusted for inflation it probably is at 500m or so domestically. Why was this movie such a phenomenon? Eddie Murphy at the time was a superstar because of his days on Saturday Night Live, the hit movie "48 Hours," and his hit HBO special "Delirious." This is why all the crying about "Movies never had diversity till "Black Panther!" is a total crock. Beverly Hills Cop 1 and 2 are great, way better than Tyler Perry and Jordan Peele's garbage.
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Post by Archelaus on Oct 25, 2020 16:34:20 GMT
Eddie Murphy becoming a household name because of his success on Saturday Night Live is the main benefactor. Without him, it would be a run-of-the-mill action comedy. Murphy took the script and elevated it thanks to his ad-libs.
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 25, 2020 16:37:31 GMT
Comedies do well but maybe it benefited from Hollywood Accounting the same way Black Panther or Get Out did. Supposedly the Cosby Show was the most watched tv show at the time too-I watched it, but I was usually tuning in for the other shows on "Must see Tv" like Cheers and Night Court. Were all those black-led shows really due to white Americans wanting them in the height of the Reagan presidency?
Murphy's movie stardom didn't all that long. Trading Places, 48 Hours, BHC was his first solo effort (1984), but the Golden Child wasn't so well received and by then Tom Cruise was stealing the limelight--Top Gun. After Coming to America he fizzled.
Harlem Nights, Vampire in Brooklyn.
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Post by kolchak92 on Oct 25, 2020 16:37:35 GMT
Eddie Murphy becoming a household name because of his success on Saturday Night Live is the main benefactor. Without him, it would be a run-of-the-mill action comedy. Murphy took the script and elevated it thanks to his ad-libs. So what if Stallone had starred in it as was originally intended?
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Post by millar70 on Oct 25, 2020 16:41:54 GMT
Haven’t watched it yet though I plan to. The main thing I noticed about this movie is how huge but was. In 1984 it Outgrossed not only Temple of Doom but even the original release of Ghostbusters (though that got a re release the next year which pushed it over BHc) and Back to the Future the following year despite those two films feeling way more iconic. Adjusted for inflation it probably is at 500m or so domestically. Why was this movie such a phenomenon? Eddie Murphy at the time was a superstar because of his days on Saturday Night Live, the hit movie "48 Hours," and his hit HBO special "Delirious." This is why all the crying about "Movies never had diversity till "Black Panther!" is a total crock. Beverly Hills Cop 1 and 2 are great, way better than Tyler Perry and Jordan Peele's garbage. In 1984, the three biggest stars in the entertainment world were Eddie Murphy, Michael Jackson, and Bill Cosby. Part of that "systemic racism" that was such a plague on American society. |
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Post by Archelaus on Oct 25, 2020 16:44:45 GMT
Eddie Murphy becoming a household name because of his success on Saturday Night Live is the main benefactor. Without him, it would be a run-of-the-mill action comedy. Murphy took the script and elevated it thanks to his ad-libs. So what if Stallone had starred in it as was originally intended? It would have been a straightforward action film. It's hard to know for sure, but I imagine it would do as well as First Blood did.
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Post by johnspartan on Oct 25, 2020 16:49:07 GMT
Comedies do well but maybe it benefited from Hollywood Accounting the same way Black Panther or Get Out did. Supposedly the Cosby Show was the most watched tv show at the time too-I watched it, but I was usually tuning in for the other shows on "Must see Tv" like Cheers and Night Court. Were all those black-led shows really due to white Americans wanting them in the height of the Reagan presidency? Yes, Bill Cosby was a superstar from his latest HBO special "Himself." Americans were more "color blind" and not race obsessed in the 1980s because it's not cool to be a race baiting wacko like the fools running rampant today. Americans DID watch the Cosby Show and "Amen" and "227" and "Family Matters." Those were great shows. Stop trying to revise history.
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 25, 2020 17:01:41 GMT
Yes, Bill Cosby was a superstar from his latest special "Himself." Americans were more "color blind" and not race obsessed in the 1980s because it's not cool to be a race baiting wacko like the fools running rampant today. Americans DID watch the Cosby Show and "Amen" and "227" and "Family Matters." Those were great shows. Stop trying to revise history. What do you mean revise history? There was also Webster (starring a late teenager as a little kid) and Different Strokes. Did Brandon Tartikoff do a survey and discover White Americans wanted black-focused shows? Because the Cosby Show was claimed to be the biggest show of all--constantly hyped up. The Cosby Show was massively hyped. Cosby was "America's dad."
Even the A-Team was allegedly created for Mr T despite Peppard being the biggest star.
None of these race antics are new. It got dialed up over time.
What happened to Grace Jones...
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Post by johnspartan on Oct 25, 2020 17:06:40 GMT
Yes, Bill Cosby was a superstar from his latest special "Himself." Americans were more "color blind" and not race obsessed in the 1980s because it's not cool to be a race baiting wacko like the fools running rampant today. Americans DID watch the Cosby Show and "Amen" and "227" and "Family Matters." Those were great shows. Stop trying to revise history. What do you mean revise history? There was also Webster (starring a late teenager as a little kid) and Different Strokes. Did Brandon Tartikoff do a survey and discover White Americans wanted black-focused shows? Because the Cosby Show was claimed to be the biggest show of all--constantly hyped up. The Cosby Show was massively hyped. Cosby was "America's dad."
Even the A-Team was allegedly created for Mr T despite Peppard being the biggest star.
None of these race antics are new. It got dialed up over time.
What happened to Grace Jones...
NBC checked this thing called the Nielsen ratings that measures how many people watch each show. Duh! "The Cosby Show" was consistently the number 1 watched show according to the ratings. Shows that score low get cancelled.
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 25, 2020 17:15:56 GMT
NBC checked this thing called the Nielsen ratings that measure how many people watch each show. Duh! "The Cosby Show" was the number 1 watched show according to the ratings. Shows that score low get cancelled. I think Nielsen ratings stands for Leslie Nielsen ratings but you remind me that there were lots of criticism for it as well, even back then--asking how reliable it was since supposedly the households had a box and shows were being judged even if the participating households weren't watching. And what about Whoopi Goldberg? You going to tell me the public demanded her feature films?
Pam Grier was far more deserving of her career, and she was relegated to the exploitation film circuit (the "blaxploitation" genre was quickly disposed of despite the large number of films made and stars (Jim Brown, Fred Williamson, Bernie Casey).
Jumpin' Jack Flash.
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Post by johnspartan on Oct 25, 2020 17:28:07 GMT
NBC checked this thing called the Nielsen ratings that measure how many people watch each show. Duh! "The Cosby Show" was the number 1 watched show according to the ratings. Shows that score low get cancelled. I think Nielsen ratings stands for Leslie Nielsen ratings but you remind me that there were lots of criticism for it as well, even back then--asking how reliable it was since supposedly the households had a box and shows were being judged even if the participating households weren't watching. And what about Whoopi Goldberg? You going to tell me the public demanded her feature films?
Pam Grier was far more deserving of her career, and she was relegated to the exploitation film circuit (the "blaxploitation" genre was quickly disposed of despite the large number of films made and stars (Jim Brown, Fred Williamson, Bernie Casey).
Jumpin' Jack Flash.
The public rejected Jumpin Jack Flash so it was a box office bomb, but Sister Act was a successful money maker because it's a funny movie. Make sense now?
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 25, 2020 18:07:12 GMT
The public rejected Jumpin Jack Flash so it was a box office bomb, but Sister Act was a successful money maker because it's a funny movie. Make sense now? Her getting the starring roles is the question. Who thought she would be box office gold? She had 2 or 3 leading roles too.
There are other examples of Hollywood throwing away money in peculiar ways that have little to do with audience appreciation.
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Post by johnspartan on Oct 25, 2020 18:14:03 GMT
The public rejected Jumpin Jack Flash so it was a box office bomb, but Sister Act was a successful money maker because it's a funny movie. Make sense now? Her getting the starring roles is the question. Who thought she would be box office gold? She had 2 or 3 leading roles too.
There are other examples of Hollywood throwing away money in peculiar ways that have little to do with audience appreciation.
Goldberg had a hit HBO stand up comedy special. That was probably her stepping stone into movies. Say what you will about her, but she CAN act.
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 25, 2020 18:24:25 GMT
Goldberg had a hit HBO stand up comedy special. That was probably her stepping stone into movies. Say what you will about her, but she CAN act. But not enough to make sense to be getting a large budget action film leading role. Money thrown away.
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Post by johnspartan on Oct 25, 2020 18:33:26 GMT
Goldberg had a hit HBO stand up comedy special. That was probably her stepping stone into movies. Say what you will about her, but she CAN act. But not enough to make sense to be getting a large budget action film leading role. Money thrown away.
I didn't know Jumpin Jack Flash had a 6 million dollar budget. Somebody overestimated Goldberg's popularity at the time. Probably a coked out studio big wig.
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 25, 2020 18:35:44 GMT
I didn't know Jumpin Jack Flash had a 6 million dollar budget. Somebody overestimated Goldberg's popularity at the time. Probably a coked out studio big wig. It's not the first time they did that. There's no genius in Hollywood-just lots of nepotism and privilege.
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Post by johnspartan on Oct 25, 2020 18:41:04 GMT
I didn't know Jumpin Jack Flash had a 6 million dollar budget. Somebody overestimated Goldberg's popularity at the time. Probably a coked out studio big wig. It's not the first time they did that. There's no genius in Hollywood-just lots of nepotism and privilege.
At least the studio didn't accuse America of systemic racism for not going to see Jumpin Jack Flash like they do today for bombs like "A Wrinkle in Time" starring Oprah and Zendayah.
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 25, 2020 18:50:15 GMT
At least the studio didn't accuse America of systemic racism for not going to see Jumpin Jack Flash like they do today for bombs like "Once Upon a Time" starring Oprah and Zendayah. Yeah but that's because the "give an inch, take a foot" thing wasn't so bad then (although it may have been more noticeable to older audiences).
It builds up over time, like someone being invited into a house and then eventually acting like the own it and telling the original tenants to fuck off.
In the case of movie studios, as their quantity decreased, their ownership became more centralized, and they became even more fixated on globalization politics. But it was always there. There have been black directors before Jordan Peele but its not about variety--it is about reducing it-and telling the public (especially the primary movie audience) that they must accept artists appointed by someone other than audiences. If they tried it in India they would be run out of town.
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