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Post by goz on Oct 29, 2020 21:40:59 GMT
Let's start with what Mr Wiki has to say on the subject:
It is a pretty good short summary of the subject. However, it states definitions of what agnostic atheism is and not the reasons why a person like me, has adopted this stance.
Over my entire life, I have never believed in a God or gods, hence you would call me an atheist. ( like many of you are doing now )
HOWEVER, since I am a rational and yet intuitive type of person, I realise that as a human being of my level of evolutionary cognizance, cognition and sentience, I am not equipped to know everything about the mysteries of life and existence and consciousness by a very long way, and no-one else does either ( even if they think they do by handing their lives over to an all knowing God).
In my deepest moments of thought, I ponder my on existence and that of the world we live in, and come up short for an answer. NO, I lack a belief in God, because IMHO that would be too easy. I accept evolution, and the natural and yet I don't know exactly how and why these things work, or only at a reasonably rudimentary level, yet science so far has some pretty good ideas and enough knowledge for humans to have become 'dangerous' to their own existence and that of our beautiful precious earthly ecosystems.
When I ponder my own existence, since I don't have the answer, I cannot rule out a Godlike influence entirely though IMHO it would be foolish to base ANY kind of dependence on such an unknown force. Hence my agnosticism.
I think about how I had no life and no cognisance before I was born due to me not existing then, and because I believe that my body is the seat and source of my consciousness, I have accepted that when I die there will be 'nothing', ie oblivion...yet I won't care because I won't have it,(consciousness) just like before I was born. It is my opinion that to do otherwise is foolish and a waste of my time on this earth as me. There is much more to this, however, as I ponder these questions I do so in a 'spiritual' way due to the extreme reverence I have for life in all its beauty and complexity. It is too wonderful and amazing and complicated to assign it to some vengeful controlling God of alleged love invented by our ancestors because they didn't know any better.
Off to work now. Catch you later gators!
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Post by The Lost One on Oct 29, 2020 23:10:20 GMT
The problem with the agnostic atheist label is not that it's an unreasonable position (in fact, I would probably fall under it myself) but that it's just so very broad. It includes people like Richard Dawkins who think God exceedingly unlikely but can't absolutely rule it out, and people who think the idea is quite plausible but just don't have any belief in it themselves. And of course, everything in between.
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Post by Cody™ on Oct 29, 2020 23:17:32 GMT
Let's start with what Mr Wiki has to say on the subject: It is a pretty good short summary of the subject. However, it states definitions of what agnostic atheism is and not the reasons why a person like me, has adopted this stance. Over my entire life, I have never believed in a God or gods, hence you would call me an atheist. ( like many of you are doing now ) HOWEVER, since I am a rational and yet intuitive type of person, I realise that as a human being of my level of evolutionary cognizance, cognition and sentience, I am not equipped to know everything about the mysteries of life and existence and consciousness by a very long way, and no-one else does either ( even if they think they do by handing their lives over to an all knowing God). In my deepest moments of thought, I ponder my on existence and that of the world we live in, and come up short for an answer. NO, I lack a belief in God, because IMHO that would be too easy. I accept evolution, and the natural and yet I don't know exactly how and why these things work, or only at a reasonably rudimentary level, yet science so far has some pretty good ideas and enough knowledge for humans to have become 'dangerous' to their own existence and that of our beautiful precious earthly ecosystems. When I ponder my own existence, since I don't have the answer, I cannot rule out a Godlike influence entirely though IMHO it would be foolish to base ANY kind of dependence on such an unknown force. Hence my agstosticism. I think about how I had no life and no cognisance before I was born due to me not existing then, and because I believe that my body is the seat and source of my consciousness, I have accepted that when I die there will be 'nothing', ie oblivion...yet I won't care because I won't have it,(consciousness) just like before I was born. It is my opinion that to do otherwise is foolish and a waste of my time on this earth as me. There is much more to this, however, as I ponder these questions I do so in a spiritual' way due to the extreme reverence I have for life in all its beauty and complexity. It is too wonderful and amazing and complicated to assign it to some vengeful controlling God of alleged love invented by our ancestors because they didn't know any better. Off to work now. Catch you later gators! LOL
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Post by gadreel on Oct 29, 2020 23:35:17 GMT
The problem with the agnostic atheist label is not that it's an unreasonable position (in fact, I would probably fall under it myself) but that it's just so very broad. It includes people like Richard Dawkins who think God exceedingly unlikely but can't absolutely rule it out, and people who think the idea is quite plausible but just don't have any belief in it themselves. And of course, everything in between. What it should not include though, realistically, is people who think religion is stupid and that the idea of believing in a God is stupid. Comments like that indicate the already decided nature of the poster and belie any claims they have that they are open minded and willing to debate. in other words, you can claim anything you like, but your comments and actions in the forum that you are engaging with are most likely to inform others of your belief regardless of what you claim those beliefs are.
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Post by goz on Oct 30, 2020 2:21:09 GMT
The problem with the agnostic atheist label is not that it's an unreasonable position (in fact, I would probably fall under it myself) but that it's just so very broad. It includes people like Richard Dawkins who think God exceedingly unlikely but can't absolutely rule it out, and people who think the idea is quite plausible but just don't have any belief in it themselves. And of course, everything in between. I see that as a benefit.
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Post by Arlon10 on Oct 30, 2020 7:43:19 GMT
Let's start with what Mr Wiki has to say on the subject: It is a pretty good short summary of the subject. However, it states definitions of what agnostic atheism is and not the reasons why a person like me, has adopted this stance. Over my entire life, I have never believed in a God or gods, hence you would call me an atheist. ( like many of you are doing now ) HOWEVER, since I am a rational and yet intuitive type of person, I realise that as a human being of my level of evolutionary cognizance, cognition and sentience, I am not equipped to know everything about the mysteries of life and existence and consciousness by a very long way, and no-one else does either ( even if they think they do by handing their lives over to an all knowing God). In my deepest moments of thought, I ponder my on existence and that of the world we live in, and come up short for an answer. NO, I lack a belief in God, because IMHO that would be too easy. I accept evolution, and the natural and yet I don't know exactly how and why these things work, or only at a reasonably rudimentary level, yet science so far has some pretty good ideas and enough knowledge for humans to have become 'dangerous' to their own existence and that of our beautiful precious earthly ecosystems. When I ponder my own existence, since I don't have the answer, I cannot rule out a Godlike influence entirely though IMHO it would be foolish to base ANY kind of dependence on such an unknown force. Hence my agstosticism. I think about how I had no life and no cognisance before I was born due to me not existing then, and because I believe that my body is the seat and source of my consciousness, I have accepted that when I die there will be 'nothing', ie oblivion...yet I won't care because I won't have it,(consciousness) just like before I was born. It is my opinion that to do otherwise is foolish and a waste of my time on this earth as me. There is much more to this, however, as I ponder these questions I do so in a spiritual' way due to the extreme reverence I have for life in all its beauty and complexity. It is too wonderful and amazing and complicated to assign it to some vengeful controlling God of alleged love invented by our ancestors because they didn't know any better. Off to work now. Catch you later gators! You are indeed an "agnostic atheist" in that it is how you choose to describe yourself. You are of course free to describe yourself in as much or as little detail as you like using as many or as few details or examples as you might. I never denied anyone the right to describe themselves however they like. I very much do understand the large number of possibilities. There is more to the story and I have tried to point that out. There is the way other people would describe you. You need very much help understanding the various sets of definitions out there since there is no universally accepted set, especially with something so very abstract. Before you can tell us that you "lack" a belief in a god it is necessary to know exactly what you mean by "god." Considering the various definitions of a "god" there are that can remain rather murky. Do you mean what some other person means when that person speaks of a god? Is that person present or not? Is it your own personal concept of some general view of a god? How did you obtain such a concept? ^^ Especially when no theist is present. Can you see yet how meaningless it is to call yourself an "agnostic atheist" without telling us about what you are agnostic atheist? It might be fun if you would try to tell us now exactly what you are agnostic atheist about. I have noticed you have the mind of small child in elementary school whose "definitions" are assumed to have some "universal" quality, have some "authority," or be the "right" definition. Many times I have tried to explain that there are no "right" definitions. Definitions are only useful or they are not useful, and even that can vary with context and circumstances. With concrete objects definitions do tend to be more "universally" accepted. With the abstract forces in nature and society often involved in religion, definitions can vary considerably. Elementary students are generally spared the complexities of such various definitions having validity. The way others describe you can be different especially since their concepts of things are different. I would describe you as an "atheist" meaning you argue (rather strongly) against the existence of any "gods." If you claim to be open to the possibility in however negligible a degree, you may do that too. In fact you can be atheist some days and agnostic others. I said that at the outset. It doesn't change the fact that you are among the strongest voices here against gods, thus "atheist." I find the attitude that you "lack" beliefs and yet so strongly argue against gods to be intellectually dishonest.
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Post by gadreel on Oct 30, 2020 7:51:15 GMT
Let's start with what Mr Wiki has to say on the subject: It is a pretty good short summary of the subject. However, it states definitions of what agnostic atheism is and not the reasons why a person like me, has adopted this stance. Over my entire life, I have never believed in a God or gods, hence you would call me an atheist. ( like many of you are doing now ) HOWEVER, since I am a rational and yet intuitive type of person, I realise that as a human being of my level of evolutionary cognizance, cognition and sentience, I am not equipped to know everything about the mysteries of life and existence and consciousness by a very long way, and no-one else does either ( even if they think they do by handing their lives over to an all knowing God). In my deepest moments of thought, I ponder my on existence and that of the world we live in, and come up short for an answer. NO, I lack a belief in God, because IMHO that would be too easy. I accept evolution, and the natural and yet I don't know exactly how and why these things work, or only at a reasonably rudimentary level, yet science so far has some pretty good ideas and enough knowledge for humans to have become 'dangerous' to their own existence and that of our beautiful precious earthly ecosystems. When I ponder my own existence, since I don't have the answer, I cannot rule out a Godlike influence entirely though IMHO it would be foolish to base ANY kind of dependence on such an unknown force. Hence my agstosticism. I think about how I had no life and no cognisance before I was born due to me not existing then, and because I believe that my body is the seat and source of my consciousness, I have accepted that when I die there will be 'nothing', ie oblivion...yet I won't care because I won't have it,(consciousness) just like before I was born. It is my opinion that to do otherwise is foolish and a waste of my time on this earth as me. There is much more to this, however, as I ponder these questions I do so in a spiritual' way due to the extreme reverence I have for life in all its beauty and complexity. It is too wonderful and amazing and complicated to assign it to some vengeful controlling God of alleged love invented by our ancestors because they didn't know any better. Off to work now. Catch you later gators! You are indeed an "agnostic atheist" in that it is how you choose to describe yourself. You are of course free to describe yourself in as much or as little detail as you like using as many or as few details or examples as you might. I never denied anyone the right to describe themselves however they like. I very much do understand the large number of possibilities. There is more to the story and I have tried to point that out. There is the way other people would describe you. You need very much help understanding the various sets of definitions out there since there is no universally accepted set, especially with something so very abstract. Before you can tell us that you "lack" a belief in a god it is necessary to know exactly what you mean by "god." Considering the various definitions of a "god" there are that can remain rather murky. Do you mean what some other person means when that person speaks of a god? Is that person present or not? Is it your own personal concept of some general view of a god? How did you obtain such a concept? ^^ Especially when no theist is present. Can you see yet how meaningless it is to call yourself an "agnostic atheist" without telling us about what you are agnostic atheist? It might be fun if you would try to tell us now exactly what you are agnostic atheist about. I have noticed you have the mind of small child in elementary school whose "definitions" are assumed to have some "universal" quality, have some "authority," or be the "right" definition. Many times I have tried to explain that there are no "right" definitions. Definitions are only useful or they are not useful, and even that can vary with context and circumstances. With concrete objects definitions do tend to be more "universally" accepted. With the abstract forces in nature and society often involved in religion, definitions can vary considerably. Elementary students are generally spared the complexities of such various definitions having validity. The way others describe you can be different especially since their concepts of things are different. I would describe you as an "atheist" meaning you argue (rather strongly) against the existence of any "gods." If you claim to be open to the possibility in however negligible a degree, you may do that too. In fact you can be atheist some days and agnostic others. I said that at the outset. It doesn't change the fact that you are among the strongest voices here against gods, thus "atheist." I find the attitude that you "lack" beliefs and yet so strongly argue against gods to be intellectually dishonest. This is why I believe in a God, he just made me wet myself when I read this.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Oct 30, 2020 9:16:00 GMT
Personally i am an apatheist when it comes to the existence of god or gods, i think its irrelevant whether or not a God or Gods exist.
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Post by rizdek on Oct 30, 2020 9:54:09 GMT
Personally i am an apatheist when it comes to the existence of god or gods, i think its irrelevant whether or not a God or Gods exist. i guess I fall into a category of that in that while I think it might be highly relevant whether or not God or gods exist, I just don't think whether I believe in it or WHAT I, or anyone else, believes about God is all that relevant. If you look across time and the world today, you see billions who believe in some sort of god. Yet their life styles relative TO that god belief and what they think is right or wrong are quite different. I liken god belief to my belief in/about, say, the Higgs boson or dark energy is. Those things...Higgs boson or dark energy (if it exists) might be highly relevant to our every day lives. Without the Higgs boson, for example, matter might not be at all like it is and would be unable to self organize into atoms and molecules thus meaning life would be impossible. But WHAT I BELIEVE about the Higgs boson isn't all that important because it's doing its thing whether I believe in it or not and regardless of what I believe about it.
So the same goes with God. I don't think there's a god, but some sort of god might exist and it might be doing things at every moment that affect my life significantly...things that are highly relevant to my survival/quality of life But since I don't know about it or what to do about it and am absolutely convinced no one else knows about what a god is or wants, I live my life pretty much as if there is no god.
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Post by rizdek on Oct 30, 2020 10:03:54 GMT
"The Agnostic is an Atheist. The Atheist is an Agnostic. The Agnostic says, ‘I do not know, but I do not believe there is any God.’ The Atheist says the same.."
But there can be agnostic theists, right? Someone might not know...or even think it edit [cannot] be known that there is a god, but still might think there probably IS a god...ie think it more likely given some circumstantial evidence that some sort of god exists.
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Post by The Lost One on Oct 30, 2020 10:26:17 GMT
"The Agnostic is an Atheist. The Atheist is an Agnostic. The Agnostic says, ‘I do not know, but I do not believe there is any God.’ The Atheist says the same.."
But there can be agnostic theists, right? Someone might not know...or even think it can be known that there is a god, but still might think there probably IS a god...ie think it more likely given some circumstantial evidence that some sort of god exists.
Indeed, the latter half of the article Goz quoted states that not everyone agrees with equating agnosticism with atheism: "The allocation of agnosticism to atheism is disputed; it can also be regarded as an independent, basic worldview." Kant is mentioned who could probably be described as an agnostic theist (though he wouldn't have used this term)- he believed God was beyond the phenomenal realm so it was impossible to know if he existed, however he argued that people should believe in God as an anchor for morality.
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Post by The Lost One on Oct 30, 2020 11:35:34 GMT
The problem with the agnostic atheist label is not that it's an unreasonable position (in fact, I would probably fall under it myself) but that it's just so very broad. It includes people like Richard Dawkins who think God exceedingly unlikely but can't absolutely rule it out, and people who think the idea is quite plausible but just don't have any belief in it themselves. And of course, everything in between. What it should not include though, realistically, is people who think religion is stupid and that the idea of believing in a God is stupid. Comments like that indicate the already decided nature of the poster and belie any claims they have that they are open minded and willing to debate. in other words, you can claim anything you like, but your comments and actions in the forum that you are engaging with are most likely to inform others of your belief regardless of what you claim those beliefs are. I don't quite agree. You can be agnostic but think religious belief requires knowledge or at least some probabilistic likelihood to be justified. I don't agree with such a stance but I can't really argue it's not technically agnostic atheism. But this is why I find it a near useless term. An agnostic atheist could be barely different for all intents and purposes from a gnostic atheist (like Goz). Or they could be someone who is extremely open to the idea despite not quite believing themselves (like me). That's why I think, while not technically correct, the more common parlance of a theist being someone who believes, an atheist being someone who doesn't and an agnostic not being sure is actually much more useful than all this agnostic atheist talk. Or even better, Richard Dawkins' seven degrees of belief.
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Post by goz on Oct 30, 2020 20:35:01 GMT
Personally i am an apatheist when it comes to the existence of god or gods, i think its irrelevant whether or not a God or Gods exist. There is a degree of that in all atheists however the fact that you post on this board belies your lack of interest. Edit for another pertinent point as I have just reading the news about what is going on with terrorism in France ( where one of my daughters happens to live) It is difficult to maintain this position when you see that people kill each other in the name of their religion, and use it as a source of bigotry discrimination and hate.
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Post by goz on Oct 30, 2020 20:42:03 GMT
The problem with the agnostic atheist label is not that it's an unreasonable position (in fact, I would probably fall under it myself) but that it's just so very broad. It includes people like Richard Dawkins who think God exceedingly unlikely but can't absolutely rule it out, and people who think the idea is quite plausible but just don't have any belief in it themselves. And of course, everything in between. What it should not include though, realistically, is people who think religion is stupid and that the idea of believing in a God is stupid. Comments like that indicate the already decided nature of the poster and belie any claims they have that they are open minded and willing to debate. in other words, you can claim anything you like, but your comments and actions in the forum that you are engaging with are most likely to inform others of your belief regardless of what you claim those beliefs are. I find it amusing that you think you know better than I do what I think and believe, despite me having outlined it quite specifically on this thread. You might like to re-read a small part that I also believe notwithstanding my infinitesimal confusion on the existence of a God that rules the lives of people on earth in their delusion over the supernatural. I make no apologies for this position and still find it compatible with being an agnostic atheist.
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Post by goz on Oct 30, 2020 20:43:27 GMT
Let's start with what Mr Wiki has to say on the subject: It is a pretty good short summary of the subject. However, it states definitions of what agnostic atheism is and not the reasons why a person like me, has adopted this stance. Over my entire life, I have never believed in a God or gods, hence you would call me an atheist. ( like many of you are doing now ) HOWEVER, since I am a rational and yet intuitive type of person, I realise that as a human being of my level of evolutionary cognizance, cognition and sentience, I am not equipped to know everything about the mysteries of life and existence and consciousness by a very long way, and no-one else does either ( even if they think they do by handing their lives over to an all knowing God). In my deepest moments of thought, I ponder my on existence and that of the world we live in, and come up short for an answer. NO, I lack a belief in God, because IMHO that would be too easy. I accept evolution, and the natural and yet I don't know exactly how and why these things work, or only at a reasonably rudimentary level, yet science so far has some pretty good ideas and enough knowledge for humans to have become 'dangerous' to their own existence and that of our beautiful precious earthly ecosystems. When I ponder my own existence, since I don't have the answer, I cannot rule out a Godlike influence entirely though IMHO it would be foolish to base ANY kind of dependence on such an unknown force. Hence my agstosticism. I think about how I had no life and no cognisance before I was born due to me not existing then, and because I believe that my body is the seat and source of my consciousness, I have accepted that when I die there will be 'nothing', ie oblivion...yet I won't care because I won't have it,(consciousness) just like before I was born. It is my opinion that to do otherwise is foolish and a waste of my time on this earth as me. There is much more to this, however, as I ponder these questions I do so in a spiritual' way due to the extreme reverence I have for life in all its beauty and complexity. It is too wonderful and amazing and complicated to assign it to some vengeful controlling God of alleged love invented by our ancestors because they didn't know any better. Off to work now. Catch you later gators! You are indeed an "agnostic atheist" in that it is how you choose to describe yourself. You are of course free to describe yourself in as much or as little detail as you like using as many or as few details or examples as you might. I never denied anyone the right to describe themselves however they like. I very much do understand the large number of possibilities. There is more to the story and I have tried to point that out. There is the way other people would describe you. You need very much help understanding the various sets of definitions out there since there is no universally accepted set, especially with something so very abstract. Before you can tell us that you "lack" a belief in a god it is necessary to know exactly what you mean by "god." Considering the various definitions of a "god" there are that can remain rather murky. Do you mean what some other person means when that person speaks of a god? Is that person present or not? Is it your own personal concept of some general view of a god? How did you obtain such a concept? ^^ Especially when no theist is present. Can you see yet how meaningless it is to call yourself an "agnostic atheist" without telling us about what you are agnostic atheist? It might be fun if you would try to tell us now exactly what you are agnostic atheist about. I have noticed you have the mind of small child in elementary school whose "definitions" are assumed to have some "universal" quality, have some "authority," or be the "right" definition. Many times I have tried to explain that there are no "right" definitions. Definitions are only useful or they are not useful, and even that can vary with context and circumstances. With concrete objects definitions do tend to be more "universally" accepted. With the abstract forces in nature and society often involved in religion, definitions can vary considerably. Elementary students are generally spared the complexities of such various definitions having validity. The way others describe you can be different especially since their concepts of things are different. I would describe you as an "atheist" meaning you argue (rather strongly) against the existence of any "gods." If you claim to be open to the possibility in however negligible a degree, you may do that too. In fact you can be atheist some days and agnostic others. I said that at the outset. It doesn't change the fact that you are among the strongest voices here against gods, thus "atheist." I find the attitude that you "lack" beliefs and yet so strongly argue against gods to be intellectually dishonest. I don't care how others describe me, especially when they are as stupid and delusional as you.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Oct 30, 2020 20:56:57 GMT
Let's start with what Mr Wiki has to say on the subject: It is a pretty good short summary of the subject. However, it states definitions of what agnostic atheism is and not the reasons why a person like me, has adopted this stance. Over my entire life, I have never believed in a God or gods, hence you would call me an atheist. ( like many of you are doing now ) HOWEVER, since I am a rational and yet intuitive type of person, I realise that as a human being of my level of evolutionary cognizance, cognition and sentience, I am not equipped to know everything about the mysteries of life and existence and consciousness by a very long way, and no-one else does either ( even if they think they do by handing their lives over to an all knowing God). I think it is quicker, and easier, to simply divide atheists into those who just lack belief in a supernatural deity and those who also go on to assert one does not exist. While the former has no belief the latter has, by definition of it being impossible to prove a negative. (The exception would be someone without a belief in God but who thinks that it might still be possible to know if it exists or not) This does not mean though that the former cannot have their suspicions.
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Post by goz on Oct 30, 2020 21:04:04 GMT
Let's start with what Mr Wiki has to say on the subject: It is a pretty good short summary of the subject. However, it states definitions of what agnostic atheism is and not the reasons why a person like me, has adopted this stance. Over my entire life, I have never believed in a God or gods, hence you would call me an atheist. ( like many of you are doing now ) HOWEVER, since I am a rational and yet intuitive type of person, I realise that as a human being of my level of evolutionary cognizance, cognition and sentience, I am not equipped to know everything about the mysteries of life and existence and consciousness by a very long way, and no-one else does either ( even if they think they do by handing their lives over to an all knowing God). In my deepest moments of thought, I ponder my on existence and that of the world we live in, and come up short for an answer. NO, I lack a belief in God, because IMHO that would be too easy. I accept evolution, and the natural and yet I don't know exactly how and why these things work, or only at a reasonably rudimentary level, yet science so far has some pretty good ideas and enough knowledge for humans to have become 'dangerous' to their own existence and that of our beautiful precious earthly ecosystems. When I ponder my own existence, since I don't have the answer, I cannot rule out a Godlike influence entirely though IMHO it would be foolish to base ANY kind of dependence on such an unknown force. Hence my agnosticism. I think about how I had no life and no cognisance before I was born due to me not existing then, and because I believe that my body is the seat and source of my consciousness, I have accepted that when I die there will be 'nothing', ie oblivion...yet I won't care because I won't have it,(consciousness) just like before I was born. It is my opinion that to do otherwise is foolish and a waste of my time on this earth as me. There is much more to this, however, as I ponder these questions I do so in a 'spiritual' way due to the extreme reverence I have for life in all its beauty and complexity. It is too wonderful and amazing and complicated to assign it to some vengeful controlling God of alleged love invented by our ancestors because they didn't know any better. Off to work now. Catch you later gators! I think it is quicker, and easier, to simply divide atheists into those who just lack belief in a supernatural deity and those who also go on to assert one does not exist. What about those of us, who assert their lack of belief and that one (god) probably doesn't exist on the balance of probabilities and evidence and the people who assert one does haven't given us the slightest shred of credible evidence that one does, hence deserve questioning and pressing for expression of their belief that are plausible, whilst therefore NOT claiming that there can never be a 'god' by the fact of this very questing?
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Oct 30, 2020 21:07:46 GMT
I think it is quicker, and easier, to simply divide atheists into those who just lack belief in a supernatural deity and those who also go on to assert one does not exist. What about those of us, who assert their lack of belief and that one (god) probably doesn't exist on the balance of probabilities and evidence and the people who assert one does haven't given us the slightest shred of credible evidence that one does, hence deserve questioning and pressing for expression of their belief that are plausible, whilst therefore NOT claiming that there can never be a 'god' by the fact of this very questing? That stlll just describes someone who goes on to make the negative assertion, surely?
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Post by thefleetsin on Oct 30, 2020 21:09:55 GMT
teaching creation theology to a tomb full of dehydrated baboons
lurking just around the corners of every scrap of concrete evidence lies an unwavering circumstance where someone had a close encounter with a spiritual whiffle ball as it bounced off the well polished halls of a service station complete with stalls where reach arounds are clarion calls for experiences one could just call nice balls but this apparently was an orgasm that said it all.
sjw 10/30/2020 inspired at this very moment in time by which light was it you saw again.
from the 'beguiled series' of poems
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Post by goz on Oct 30, 2020 21:14:13 GMT
teaching creation theology to a tomb full of dehydrated baboons lurking just around the corners of every scrap of concrete evidence lies an unwavering circumstance where someone had a close encounter with a spiritual whiffle ball as it bounced off the well polished halls of a service station complete with stalls where reach arounds are clarion calls for experiences one could just call nice balls but this apparently was an orgasm that said it all. sjw 10/30/2020 inspired at this very moment in time by which light was it you saw again. from the 'beguiled series' of poems Can you NOT bring homosexual sex to my pristine and pure agnostic atheist thread which you somehow conflate with creation theory and dehydrated baboons? I normally support your 'poems' and your right to post on threads in general, butt I would like you to fuck off and delete this particular bit on confused gay porn. Thanks in advance.
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