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Post by moviemouth on Nov 14, 2020 3:40:14 GMT
Is it just stuck in baby mind for eternity?
What happens to a 5 year old who dies? Is that 5 year old just stuck a 5 year old forever?
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Post by permutojoe on Nov 14, 2020 5:07:47 GMT
The baby gets to stay a baby because that's the best thing ever.
The 5 y/o, idk.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Nov 14, 2020 5:48:13 GMT
You actually bring up a good point. Christians are under the assumption that "life in heaven" will be a continuation of sorts of their human life. However, everything that makes a human being an individual, including their particular personality is located inside the brain. Human souls may go to an afterlife, but there's no guarantee your personality or neurological thought processes will.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 14, 2020 6:12:14 GMT
You actually bring up a good point. Christians are under the assumption that "life in heaven" will be a continuation of sorts of their human life. However, everything that makes a human being an individual, including their particular personality is located inside the brain. Human souls may go to an afterlife, but there's no guarantee your personality or neurological thought processes will. So I actually have a response to that. If I was a fantasy writer and posing an answer, it would be that Heaven would be you at the pinnacle of your human experience. The thing is that this can only even partly make sense if you live a long life. What is a human soul if not part of your personality and if it isn't attached to that, then who cares what happens to it? How exactly does this reunite me with my loved ones? I can make the question even more complicated by asking what is Heaven like for someone who had severe brain damage when they were 2 years old, but lived out the rest of their life? I'd also like to know how a soul is tortured forever if it isn't part of your personality. Considering physical pain is connected to the nervous system, I assume it would have to be some kind of eternal mental torture if it were connected to your personality. It gets sillier the more you think about it. If the soul is just this "essence of you" that isn't connected to memory, then why should anyone be frightened of this?
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Nov 14, 2020 6:30:30 GMT
You actually bring up a good point. Christians are under the assumption that "life in heaven" will be a continuation of sorts of their human life. However, everything that makes a human being an individual, including their particular personality is located inside the brain. Human souls may go to an afterlife, but there's no guarantee your personality or neurological thought processes will. So I actually have a response to that. If I was a fantasy writer and posing an answer, it would be that Heaven would be you at the pinnacle of your human experience. The thing is that this can only even partly make sense if you live a long life. What is a human soul if not part of your personality and if it isn't attached to that, then who cares? I can make the question even more complicated by asking what is Heaven like for someone who had severe brain damage when they were 2 years old, but lived out the rest of their life? I'd also like to know how a soul is tortured forever if it isn't part of your personality. Considering physical pain is connected to the nervous system, I assume it would have to be some kind of eternal mental torture if it were connected to your personality. It gets sillier the more you think about it. If the soul is just this thing that isn't connected to memory then why should anyone be frightened of this? But in heaven people have spiritual bodies and not biological ones. Also, as there is no suffering in heaven, if the individual thought process survives the death and total decay of the brain, then any memories that could cause suffering will either be forgotten or ignored. Say the knowledge of the eternal damnation of one's beloved child will not effect the saint (the person in heaven) as suffering is impossible at that point. Either the parent will forget that child ever lived or his suffering will give joy to the parent. If indeed the blessed in Heaven can view the sinners in Hell burning from on high, as Aquinas says, it will only increase the blessed's joy because they see what a great reward they will have by obeying the church to obtain salvation.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 14, 2020 6:48:48 GMT
So I actually have a response to that. If I was a fantasy writer and posing an answer, it would be that Heaven would be you at the pinnacle of your human experience. The thing is that this can only even partly make sense if you live a long life. What is a human soul if not part of your personality and if it isn't attached to that, then who cares? I can make the question even more complicated by asking what is Heaven like for someone who had severe brain damage when they were 2 years old, but lived out the rest of their life? I'd also like to know how a soul is tortured forever if it isn't part of your personality. Considering physical pain is connected to the nervous system, I assume it would have to be some kind of eternal mental torture if it were connected to your personality. It gets sillier the more you think about it. If the soul is just this thing that isn't connected to memory then why should anyone be frightened of this? But in heaven people have spiritual bodies and not biological ones. Also, as there is no suffering in heaven, if the individual thought process survives the death and total decay of the brain, then any memories that could cause suffering will either be forgotten or ignored. Say the knowledge of the eternal damnation of one's beloved child will not effect the saint (the person in heaven) as suffering is impossible at that point. Either the parent will forget that child ever lived or his suffering will give joy to the parent.
If indeed the blessed in Heaven can view the sinners in Hell burning from on high, as Aquinas says, it will only increase the blessed's joy because they see what a great reward they will have by obeying the church to obtain salvation. Which is another example of how twisted religion is. That sounds like the plan of a deranged mind.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Nov 14, 2020 7:38:36 GMT
But in heaven people have spiritual bodies and not biological ones. Also, as there is no suffering in heaven, if the individual thought process survives the death and total decay of the brain, then any memories that could cause suffering will either be forgotten or ignored. Say the knowledge of the eternal damnation of one's beloved child will not effect the saint (the person in heaven) as suffering is impossible at that point. Either the parent will forget that child ever lived or his suffering will give joy to the parent.
If indeed the blessed in Heaven can view the sinners in Hell burning from on high, as Aquinas says, it will only increase the blessed's joy because they see what a great reward they will have by obeying the church to obtain salvation. Which is another example of how twisted religion is. That sounds like the plan of a deranged mind. Yep, aside from the gruesomeness of Aquinas' faith in Hell, Christianity's ideas about sin and the afterlife were formed when humans had no idea about neurology...just like they did most everything else we call science today. What initial steps undertaken by the more secular-minded Greeks had been lost, forgotten, or declared demonic.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Nov 14, 2020 10:41:43 GMT
This is what Emanuel Swedenborg (1688-1772) who was a Swedish pluralistic-Christian theologian, scientist, philosopher and mystic, wrote about it in his book Haven and Hell from 1758 Children in HeavenThe book Haven and Hell is according to Swedenborg journey's he took in Haven and Hell. |
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 14, 2020 11:04:23 GMT
This is what Emanuel Swedenborg (1688-1772) who was a Swedish pluralistic-Christian theologian, scientist, philosopher and mystic, wrote about it in his book Haven and Hell from 1758 Children in HeavenThe book Haven and Hell is according to Swedenborg journey's he took in Haven and Hell. At least this guy put thought into it, as redundant and tedious his way of explaining it is. If someone believes what Swedenborg wrote, it seems like a very strong incentive to kill your baby. Believers have done this for that exact reason, so to not risk their child's soul.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 14, 2020 13:41:39 GMT
Christians are a weird paradox. They don’t really want to be here in human form and can’t wait to die to go to heaven for eternal human life, yet want to promote human procreation to exacerbate more human suffering. What a pack of clowns  |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Nov 14, 2020 13:58:51 GMT
I've entertained the thought that maybe it's "recycled" and given another life on earth, but I don't have enough information on it to say.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 15, 2020 1:56:33 GMT
I've entertained the thought that maybe it's "recycled" and given another life on earth, but I don't have enough information on it to say. That sounds exactly like reincarnation to me.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Nov 15, 2020 2:51:16 GMT
I've entertained the thought that maybe it's "recycled" and given another life on earth, but I don't have enough information on it to say. That sounds exactly like reincarnation to me. Right.
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