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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 17, 2020 1:14:04 GMT
It was your point, but since this religious heaven and hell thing is all bogus regardless, there will be no logical or rational answers. Satanism is just an absurd antithesis to what Christianity represents. It is? Okay, doc. I won't try to change your mind on that. It wouldn't accomplish anything anyway. Did you not make the claim that there is a hell and that is where they will be going?
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Post by maya55555 on Nov 17, 2020 1:16:12 GMT
It’s too on the nose to be from anyone but hoaxer, because it’s a conspiracy theorist wet dream. You guys want this Satanist crap to be real, so there’s an industry pandering to your fantasy. Actually the statue is perfectly real, although clearly Maya has no clue as to the symbology (tres surprise), the statue is (I think) intended to showcase Satan as the light bringer which is pretty common in Satanic circles, but what it really was about was a physical demonstration of the hypocrisy of freedom of religion, they had to go through a lengthy process to be able to erect it because freedom of religion did not extend to the freedom for satanists to erect statues. I am all too aware of the symbology.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 17, 2020 1:20:32 GMT
Actually the statue is perfectly real, although clearly Maya has no clue as to the symbology (tres surprise), the statue is (I think) intended to showcase Satan as the light bringer which is pretty common in Satanic circles, but what it really was about was a physical demonstration of the hypocrisy of freedom of religion, they had to go through a lengthy process to be able to erect it because freedom of religion did not extend to the freedom for satanists to erect statues. I am all too aware of the symbology. So the conflict of Christ as the light bringer, as opposed to Baphomet as the light bringer is what difference in symbology in regards to a religion looking to a deity as a savior?
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Post by Arlon10 on Nov 17, 2020 1:20:51 GMT
Because your insight into human nature is so accurate? No, it's called basic research, maybe one day try it before you spread unsubstantiated claims Was your point to show that Satanic abuse occurs less often than abuse in the Catholic Church? None of those links mention any such thing. It's called retarded kids who are not able to read and simply listing internet links they imagine address their concerns. That's not "research." That's you-need-a-note-from-your-parents-giving-you-permission-to-use-the-internet or go away. Those pages by the way admit having the purpose (bias) of calming uproar or "moral panic." That's because "science" and "research" are not really given access to enough data to do anything else. There is no central reporting agency. When the police are suspected of participating in satanism, they aren't likely to be the "trusted" people to whom victims turn. The data is therefore necessarily "anecdotal." Of course all data is anecdotal at some point.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Nov 17, 2020 1:23:02 GMT
It is? Okay, doc. I won't try to change your mind on that. It wouldn't accomplish anything anyway. Did you not make the claim that there is a hell and that is where they will be going? Did you not make the claim that heaven and hell are bogus nonsense?
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 17, 2020 1:32:28 GMT
Did you not make the claim that there is a hell and that is where they will be going? Did you not make the claim that heaven and hell are bogus nonsense? I most certainly did, so since they don't exist, they can't exactly burn in hell, let alone get a free pass into heaven. What part of them will burn, since their bodies will be dead and likely cremated on this planet regardless?
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Post by Arlon10 on Nov 17, 2020 1:33:20 GMT
You mean she didn't ask when the slugs return from Capistrano? Sorry. She asked one of her typically aloof, frivolous and asinine questions which you also evaded yourself. Why? Your answer "there are plenty" was devoid of any detail. Why?
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 17, 2020 1:35:46 GMT
She asked one of her typically aloof, frivolous and asinine questions which you also evaded yourself. Why? Your answer "there are plenty" was devoid of any detail. Why? I'm sure if you take the time to google cases of Catholic Priests who have been convicted of diddling kids, you will find plenty of results. Why didn't you?
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Post by Arlon10 on Nov 17, 2020 1:38:04 GMT
Because your insight into human nature is so accurate? His is better than yours. You mean you think so. I don't agree.
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Post by Arlon10 on Nov 17, 2020 1:38:55 GMT
Your answer "there are plenty" was devoid of any detail. Why? I'm sure if you take the time to google cases of Catholic Priests who have been convicted of diddling kids, you will find plenty of results. Why didn't you? I asked you first.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 17, 2020 1:54:25 GMT
I'm sure if you take the time to google cases of Catholic Priests who have been convicted of diddling kids, you will find plenty of results. Why didn't you? I asked you first. I asked Maya first.
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Post by gadreel on Nov 17, 2020 3:15:55 GMT
Actually the statue is perfectly real, although clearly Maya has no clue as to the symbology (tres surprise), the statue is (I think) intended to showcase Satan as the light bringer which is pretty common in Satanic circles, but what it really was about was a physical demonstration of the hypocrisy of freedom of religion, they had to go through a lengthy process to be able to erect it because freedom of religion did not extend to the freedom for satanists to erect statues. Just how many Satanic circles do you think are out there? I get that there are some numbnuts who use Satanism tropes to test religious freedom, but the believers think these people really are worshiping Satan The hoaxers selling this idea are reaping a profit off of them. There’s more “Satanic worship” inside of Christianity than outside of it. If there were not, the hucksters could not get the faithful to behave like demons (see QAnon supporters, Westboro Baptists, etc). Hmm I dont know, yeah 100% "Satanism" is normally the athiestic humanist "religion" and these guys specifically were that, which of course makes more sense as this is really a political statue rather than a religious one, and I was paraphrasing what I remembered at the time around the point being that satanists have lots of statues to erect, the real point was highlighting the hypocrisy with one statue. There are a pretty good number of actual worshippers around though, I was active among some in NZ at one time in my life and there are plenty more.
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Post by gadreel on Nov 17, 2020 3:19:33 GMT
No, it's called basic research, maybe one day try it before you spread unsubstantiated claims Was your point to show that Satanic abuse occurs less often than abuse in the Catholic Church? None of those links mention any such thing. It's called retarded kids who are not able to read and simply listing internet links they imagine address their concerns. That's not "research." That's you-need-a-note-from-your-parents-giving-you-permission-to-use-the-internet or go away. Those pages by the way admit having the purpose (bias) of calming uproar or "moral panic." That's because "science" and "research" are not really given access to enough data to do anything else. There is no central reporting agency. When the police are suspected of participating in satanism, they aren't likely to be the "trusted" people to whom victims turn. The data is therefore necessarily "anecdotal." Of course all data is anecdotal at some point. Did you read any of those? just go and read the abstract and the conclusion that is probably enough heavy lifting for you, the point is that multiple far reaching investigations turned up exactly ZERO cases of ritual satanic abuse, this is evidence of my claim that your satanic abuse that you talk about: its absolute codswallop.
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Post by gadreel on Nov 17, 2020 4:38:27 GMT
It’s too on the nose to be from anyone but hoaxer, because it’s a conspiracy theorist wet dream. You guys want this Satanist crap to be real, so there’s an industry pandering to your fantasy. I did a thread on this statue a few years ago. It is not a hoax. The Satanic Temple Unveils a Massive Statue of Baphomet in DetroitDK if Paul still has me on block, but if he does that's okay. The rest of you can still see him making a fool of himself. Paul makes a fool of himself with the same frequency that you make rational and intelligent posts.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Nov 17, 2020 4:55:13 GMT
Paul makes a fool of himself with the same frequency that you make rational and intelligent posts. Were you into goth and/or heavy metal?
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Post by gadreel on Nov 17, 2020 5:39:25 GMT
Paul makes a fool of himself with the same frequency that you make rational and intelligent posts. Were you into goth and/or heavy metal? Yeah still a big metal fan, not so much goth.
How come?
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Nov 17, 2020 6:41:30 GMT
Were you into goth and/or heavy metal? Yeah still a big metal fan, not so much goth.
How come?
Because being counter-Christian is a part of that counter-culture. If God is Order, then Satan is Chaos. I’m not condemning, but making an observation. Alternative and new religions flourish in America that has a strong Christian-based culture, yet allows (or should allow) religious liberty for all religions. As such groups of people who feel pressure to conform may seek out the polar opposite as a nonconformist release. And Eastern religions even offer mystical systems that incorporate God/Satan, Good/Bad as a single entity or idea. The goth and punk rock cultures are easy access for many alienated youth who seek the darker spiritual side. And as both great good and bad can be perpetuated in the name of God, so can in it be done in the name Satan. I’m not ascribing this to any spiritual being or power, because it is the cultural consciousness of a society that drives the good or bad they do.
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Post by Arlon10 on Nov 17, 2020 7:06:04 GMT
Sometimes the world just doesn't go our way, does it?
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Post by Arlon10 on Nov 17, 2020 7:39:21 GMT
Was your point to show that Satanic abuse occurs less often than abuse in the Catholic Church? None of those links mention any such thing. It's called retarded kids who are not able to read and simply listing internet links they imagine address their concerns. That's not "research." That's you-need-a-note-from-your-parents-giving-you-permission-to-use-the-internet or go away. Those pages by the way admit having the purpose (bias) of calming uproar or "moral panic." That's because "science" and "research" are not really given access to enough data to do anything else. There is no central reporting agency. When the police are suspected of participating in satanism, they aren't likely to be the "trusted" people to whom victims turn. The data is therefore necessarily "anecdotal." Of course all data is anecdotal at some point. Did you read any of those? just go and read the abstract and the conclusion that is probably enough heavy lifting for you, the point is that multiple far reaching investigations turned up exactly ZERO cases of ritual satanic abuse, this is evidence of my claim that your satanic abuse that you talk about: its absolute codswallop. Did you read my reply? I noticed that there is no central reporting agency. Some are based on police reports, some on people seeking mental health professionals, and some on press or whatever. If you don't get all the reports how can you dismiss all of them? Answer: You can't. Also I did read those links and they did not exactly claim there were "zero" actual cases. That's not what I meant by putting things in your own words. You aren't supposed to change what any study says. You're supposed to show you understand what the studies say. They found excuses to dismiss cases based on lack of access to proof. Why would "scientists" do that? They told you. To calm the uproar. Also notice I set "organization" off in quotation marks. That's because the public is not likely apprised of the actual one. And there probably is more abuse with no meaningful connection to any organization including, topical here, the Catholic Church.
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Post by Morgana on Nov 17, 2020 8:04:49 GMT
That is terrible, and I don't know why Utah Courts would, even for one second, think it is okay because it might fall under some ridiculous freedom of religion law. That is sick. Would she be able to take the case to the supreme court? Still, there are lots of wacky religious sects out there, and they take many forms, not just that of bogus Christianity.
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