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Post by Arlon10 on Nov 19, 2020 23:42:57 GMT
But the results are not the same. In the case of the monumental stupidity that has gripped and is controlling our nation right now, it is. You realize not everything you see on TV is real, right? Yes, there is evil, but no, not as much as it appears on TV. Even the police brutality is not intentionally evil. They believe (poor souls that they are) they're doing their civic duty. Evil would be wantonly killing anyone. Okay the guy, James Fields, who drove a car into a crowd in Charlottesville might be evil. I see no excuse for that.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 20, 2020 1:19:32 GMT
After giving it some thought I think that is unfair.
There are many religious people and many non-religious people who are equally messed up and many religious people and many non-religious people that aren't messed up.
Serial killers may or may not be religious, but it is unlikely that religion has anything to do with them being serial killers. Hitler used religion in a way to promote his agenda, but his reasons weren't necessarily tied to religion.
Most active pedophiles likely aren't molesting and raping children do to religious beliefs, they do it because they have a sexual urge towards children or are just pathetic people that need to use manipulation on young people to get sex. I think that in many cases religious ideas cause people to do horrible things, but I think there are equally as many cases where religious people use their power position to get away with horrible behaviors that they would do even if they weren't religious.
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Post by Arlon10 on Nov 20, 2020 8:38:33 GMT
You realize not everything you see on TV is real, right? Yes, there is evil, but no, not as much as it appears on TV. Even the police brutality is not intentionally evil. They believe (poor souls that they are) they're doing their civic duty. Evil would be wantonly killing anyone. Okay the guy, James Fields, who drove a car into a crowd in Charlottesville might be evil. I see no excuse for that. I don’t watch much TV, but so far 250,000 people are dead because of the “stupidity” of one man and the 70+ million people stupid enough to believe every word he says. He is currently denying the magnitude of the disease and it’s ramifications and his is politicizing it for his own personal gain. The first part is stupid and the second part is pure evil. You are correct that there is more stupidity than evil in the world and you are happily participating in the stupid part. There is something very peculiar about the pandemic I think even you can understand. The number of asymptomatic cases is incredibly large and the number of deaths is nevertheless incredibly high. It's almost like there are two different diseases, covid-19 and a covid-18 that tests the same despite being entirely different. That could be misleading otherwise intelligent people to disbelieve the reports. I really don't see anyone throwing caution to the wind (no pun intended), especially religious people. We are cautious in the light of reported deaths regardless how peculiar they are. I suppose there could be a disease that kills some people and not others and I follow official guidelines. Don't forget that Democrats are famous for their utter stupidity. Theirs is not "science," it is a belief in "science" they see on TV. The topic of heart transplants returns here often because some people think I said there are no such things. I never said that. What I said is that I have never seen the evidence of one myself. The hospital where my nephew the real doctor works does not perform heart transplants. With any invasive procedure there are risks to be balanced against the possible benefits. You can see that cutting out a working heart involves rather enormous risk. I'm sure you're far more clever than you need to be to understand that much.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Nov 20, 2020 13:02:45 GMT
Don't forget that Democrats are famous for their utter stupidity. Theirs is not "science," it is a belief in "science" they see on TV. Since, obviously, no true science appears on TV. An odd thing to say, since last time this came I up I showed Arlon numerous images showing heart transplant surgery. Why anyone would want to fake these, or the accounts of such surgery which have appeared over decades, if that is what is then claimed, is something only Arlon can explain.
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Post by Arlon10 on Nov 20, 2020 13:37:12 GMT
Don't forget that Democrats are famous for their utter stupidity. Theirs is not "science," it is a belief in "science" they see on TV. Since, obviously, no true science appears on TV. An odd thing to say, since last time this came I up I showed Arlon numerous images showing heart transplant surgery. Why anyone would want to fake these, or the accounts of such surgery which have appeared over decades, if that is what is then claimed, is something only Arlon can explain. Pictures of miracles -- no, pictures of "scientific" heart transplants -- yes, right? Have you tried playing the sitar?
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Nov 20, 2020 13:40:00 GMT
Since, obviously, no true science appears on TV. An odd thing to say, since last time this came I up I showed Arlon numerous images showing heart transplant surgery. Why anyone would want to fake these, or the accounts of such surgery which have appeared over decades, if that is what is then claimed, is something only Arlon can explain. Pictures of miracles -- no, pictures of "scientific" heart transplants -- yes, right? Pictures of "miracles" yes --- years of testimony and images of a surgical procedure -- no, right?
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Post by Arlon10 on Nov 20, 2020 13:43:53 GMT
Pictures of miracles -- no, pictures of "scientific" heart transplants -- yes, right? Pictures of "miracles" yes --- years of testimony and images of a surgical procedure -- no, right? Cavemen were successful surgeons. Did you know?
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Post by OldSamVimes on Nov 21, 2020 9:34:00 GMT
Generalizing all religious people is something unintelligent people do.
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Post by Arlon10 on Nov 21, 2020 12:26:21 GMT
Oh, yeah? How many heart bypass surgeries do you think happened in the Neolithic period? Okay maybe their attention span was shorter and they didn't work on problems that long in becoming obvious. Is your attention span really so much longer?
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Nov 21, 2020 17:20:47 GMT
Generalizing all religious people is something unintelligent people do. The same might be said for generalising all atheists.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Nov 21, 2020 17:35:55 GMT
Generalizing all religious people is something unintelligent people do. The same might be said for generalising all atheists. To be an atheist you have to have some pretty strong species narcissism. 'If us mighty human beings can't fathom it, then it must not exist'.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Nov 21, 2020 17:51:23 GMT
The same might be said for generalising all atheists. To be an atheist you have to have some pretty strong species narcissism. The height of species narcissism is more the idea that we are made specially, and in the image of God, or that we are a chosen people, or that we are treated with undue care and attention by the Cause of all reality and that if humans play their cards right they will end up next to Him singing His praises for ever. To say that God cannot be fathomed, or known, about is actually the agnostic position. But it would be hard to find anyone who would say that because God cannot be known it therefore must not exist. It is more common to say that if this is true then anything we assert about the deity is meaningless.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Nov 21, 2020 17:54:38 GMT
To be an atheist you have to have some pretty strong species narcissism. The height of species narcissism is more the idea that we are made specially, and in the image of God, or that we are a chosen people, or that we are treated with undue care and attention by the Cause of all reality. To say that God cannot be fathomed, or known, about is actually the agnostic position. The idea of an external God that created us in His own image and micromanages the world is silly to me. It seems like the image of God atheists most want to debate. You can't have a debate about God when people don't agree on what 'God' is (David Bentley Hart wrote a fantastic book on this topic).
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Nov 21, 2020 18:01:49 GMT
The height of species narcissism is more the idea that we are made specially, and in the image of God, or that we are a chosen people, or that we are treated with undue care and attention by the Cause of all reality. To say that God cannot be fathomed, or known, about is actually the agnostic position. The idea of an external God that created us in His own image and micromanages the world is silly to me. You are welcome to your opinion. Never the less many of the more credulous would disagree. I can't speak for all atheists, but I have no issue with the notion of a necessary Cause per se. It is more the unevidenced suggestion of whole new magical reality that is the issue. True; but it would be a start if one can at least understand the difference between agnosticism and atheism.
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Post by Arlon10 on Nov 22, 2020 11:56:00 GMT
Okay maybe their attention span was shorter and they didn't work on problems that long in becoming obvious. Is your attention span really so much longer? My attention span is such that if I need a heart bypass, I know not to ask a cave surgeon to do it. I knew you weren't totally ignorant.
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Post by Admin on Dec 2, 2020 4:30:46 GMT
The narcissism attributed to "self" is just denial of being something greater than the sum of their physical parts. But you are. Watch: youtu.be/rA5qnZUXcqo
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Post by Admin on Dec 2, 2020 8:18:15 GMT
I am what -“self”? Too long for me to currently watch. Are there some pointers you would like to add out of the video? The first 35 seconds should suffice.
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Post by Admin on Dec 2, 2020 8:41:53 GMT
The first 35 seconds should suffice. I watched that much, but yes, I know we are all greater than the sum of our parts. Still not clear on your message??? No, I misunderstood yours. Mea culpa.
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