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Post by Arlon10 on Nov 20, 2020 13:43:53 GMT
Pictures of miracles -- no, pictures of "scientific" heart transplants -- yes, right? Pictures of "miracles" yes --- years of testimony and images of a surgical procedure -- no, right? Cavemen were successful surgeons. Did you know?
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Post by OldSamVimes on Nov 21, 2020 9:34:00 GMT
Generalizing all religious people is something unintelligent people do.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Nov 21, 2020 10:15:25 GMT
Oh, yeah? How many heart bypass surgeries do you think happened in the Neolithic period?
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Post by Arlon10 on Nov 21, 2020 12:26:21 GMT
Oh, yeah? How many heart bypass surgeries do you think happened in the Neolithic period? Okay maybe their attention span was shorter and they didn't work on problems that long in becoming obvious. Is your attention span really so much longer?
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Nov 21, 2020 17:20:47 GMT
Generalizing all religious people is something unintelligent people do. The same might be said for generalising all atheists.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Nov 21, 2020 17:35:55 GMT
Generalizing all religious people is something unintelligent people do. The same might be said for generalising all atheists. To be an atheist you have to have some pretty strong species narcissism. 'If us mighty human beings can't fathom it, then it must not exist'.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Nov 21, 2020 17:51:23 GMT
The same might be said for generalising all atheists. To be an atheist you have to have some pretty strong species narcissism. The height of species narcissism is more the idea that we are made specially, and in the image of God, or that we are a chosen people, or that we are treated with undue care and attention by the Cause of all reality and that if humans play their cards right they will end up next to Him singing His praises for ever. To say that God cannot be fathomed, or known, about is actually the agnostic position. But it would be hard to find anyone who would say that because God cannot be known it therefore must not exist. It is more common to say that if this is true then anything we assert about the deity is meaningless.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Nov 21, 2020 17:54:38 GMT
To be an atheist you have to have some pretty strong species narcissism. The height of species narcissism is more the idea that we are made specially, and in the image of God, or that we are a chosen people, or that we are treated with undue care and attention by the Cause of all reality. To say that God cannot be fathomed, or known, about is actually the agnostic position. The idea of an external God that created us in His own image and micromanages the world is silly to me. It seems like the image of God atheists most want to debate. You can't have a debate about God when people don't agree on what 'God' is (David Bentley Hart wrote a fantastic book on this topic).
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Nov 21, 2020 18:01:49 GMT
The height of species narcissism is more the idea that we are made specially, and in the image of God, or that we are a chosen people, or that we are treated with undue care and attention by the Cause of all reality. To say that God cannot be fathomed, or known, about is actually the agnostic position. The idea of an external God that created us in His own image and micromanages the world is silly to me. You are welcome to your opinion. Never the less many of the more credulous would disagree. I can't speak for all atheists, but I have no issue with the notion of a necessary Cause per se. It is more the unevidenced suggestion of whole new magical reality that is the issue. True; but it would be a start if one can at least understand the difference between agnosticism and atheism.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Nov 22, 2020 5:17:29 GMT
Oh, yeah? How many heart bypass surgeries do you think happened in the Neolithic period? Okay maybe their attention span was shorter and they didn't work on problems that long in becoming obvious. Is your attention span really so much longer? My attention span is such that if I need a heart bypass, I know not to ask a cave surgeon to do it.
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Post by Arlon10 on Nov 22, 2020 11:56:00 GMT
Okay maybe their attention span was shorter and they didn't work on problems that long in becoming obvious. Is your attention span really so much longer? My attention span is such that if I need a heart bypass, I know not to ask a cave surgeon to do it. I knew you weren't totally ignorant.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 30, 2020 12:44:49 GMT
The same might be said for generalising all atheists. 'If us mighty human beings can't fathom it, then it must not exist'. Of course a self-professed atheist would reject this due to image of impermanent organic "self" that rules their beings. The narcissism attributed to "self" is just denial of being something greater than the sum of their physical parts. Both atheists and theists have a distorted and misappropriated image of what God is supposed to represent which they will never resolve. Both these idealist groups are tiresome to argue with. They are a sub-division, the prefix "sub" being the operative point.
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Post by Admin on Dec 2, 2020 4:30:46 GMT
The narcissism attributed to "self" is just denial of being something greater than the sum of their physical parts. But you are. Watch: youtu.be/rA5qnZUXcqo
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 2, 2020 8:07:51 GMT
The narcissism attributed to "self" is just denial of being something greater than the sum of their physical parts. But you are. Watch: youtu.be/rA5qnZUXcqo I am what -“self”? Too long for me to currently watch. Are there some pointers you would like to add out of the video?
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Post by Admin on Dec 2, 2020 8:18:15 GMT
I am what -“self”? Too long for me to currently watch. Are there some pointers you would like to add out of the video? The first 35 seconds should suffice.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 2, 2020 8:30:57 GMT
I am what -“self”? Too long for me to currently watch. Are there some pointers you would like to add out of the video? The first 35 seconds should suffice. I watched that much, but yes, I know we are all greater than the sum of our parts. Still not clear on your message???
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Post by Admin on Dec 2, 2020 8:41:53 GMT
The first 35 seconds should suffice. I watched that much, but yes, I know we are all greater than the sum of our parts. Still not clear on your message??? No, I misunderstood yours. Mea culpa.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 2, 2020 9:02:59 GMT
I watched that much, but yes, I know we are all greater than the sum of our parts. Still not clear on your message??? No, I misunderstood yours. Mea culpa. 
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