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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Nov 17, 2020 20:45:29 GMT
I don;t get in the weeds of my particular religion since it isn't important. It's non-denominational and different than where my parents made me go. But it’s Christian, I’m assuming. Well yes since that is the best option. However, to think that all Christianity is the same would be like saying all whales are the same. For example, I would be Jewish or Buddhist or agnostic before I could ever be Catholic or Baptist or Pentecostal. Me being a Christian did not prevent me from learning about other religions. It's just in the end Christianity made the most sense but being Baptist did not.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Nov 17, 2020 20:48:52 GMT
CoolJGS☺ Many "religious" people go to church for the social and the community aspects ... actual religiosity is just the excuse to get together.
Hopefully this is not turning into a  . it was not intended to do that. I was agreeing with your "choosing" a religion rather than blindly going along with a "born into" one purely by habit. Again, I don;t view religious people going for those reasons as a pejorative. Those are literally two of the main reasons given for identifying Christianity. Now of course, if they don;t believe in God and are claiming to then they are scummy little hypocrites, but I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt on that and especially if their behavior coincides with what makes up Christian qualities & beliefs.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Nov 17, 2020 21:11:33 GMT
But it’s Christian, I’m assuming. Well yes since that is the best option. However, to think that all Christianity is the same would be like saying all whales are the same. For example, I would be Jewish or Buddhist or agnostic before I could ever be Catholic or Baptist or Pentecostal. Me being a Christian did not prevent me from learning about other religions. It's just in the end Christianity made the most sense but being Baptist did not. You are openminded and that facilitates tolerance of others. You’re probably not limited to purely Christian concepts regarding existence either, so I think you have a healthy perspective on your spiritual journey. It is true Christian denominations vary, however most Trinitarian denominations share the same core belief that Yahweh of the OT is the one and only God and his Son, who is also God, as the only path to salvation. All other paths are null as nothing supernatural exists outside of Yahweh and creation of angels and demons. Otherwise, humans are condemned. The failure to be saved usually runs spectrum from God forgives anyway to soul annihilation to eternal physical torment. How much the faithful in the pews hold to this probably depends upon the individual and most churches don’t press the people to believe it. The believer’s baptism denominations, like Evangelicalism, tend to have much nastier Hell than Lutherans or Presbyterians...especially the white Evangelicals...if you don’t pick the right faith. Even Catholics soften damnation a bit with a chance at purgatory if you’re not too sinful and have done a some good faith actions to redeem the bad ones. I’m sure your aware of this since you are a seeker.
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Post by Rodney Farber on Nov 17, 2020 22:14:53 GMT
So how did you get religion? I picked it and learned it and agreed with it. Not necessarily saying you do this but it's fairly routine for the non-religious to have this ongoing thing about how indoctrination is crucial to religion as opposed to the easier and more logical solution that people like being religious. I'm going to assume that Yahweh/Jehovah/Lord/God has been around longer than the hydrogen atoms in my body. Perhaps, (S)he created those atoms. Mankind has been around longer than recorded history. Some say six thousand years, others say humans evolved about one hundred thousand years ago. Why would you, or anyone else, choose a religion that was created by an American less than two hundred years ago? If it were the one true religion, why wasn't it known to Julius Caesar?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Nov 17, 2020 22:53:34 GMT
I picked it and learned it and agreed with it. Not necessarily saying you do this but it's fairly routine for the non-religious to have this ongoing thing about how indoctrination is crucial to religion as opposed to the easier and more logical solution that people like being religious. I'm going to assume that Yahweh/Jehovah/Lord/God has been around longer than the hydrogen atoms in my body. Perhaps, (S)he created those atoms. Mankind has been around longer than recorded history. Some say six thousand years, others say humans evolved about one hundred thousand years ago. Why would you, or anyone else, choose a religion that was created by an American less than two hundred years ago? If it were the one true religion, why wasn't it known to Julius Caesar? sounds like gibberish. Why would Caesar even concern himself with Christianity? It was not the main religion of the Jews or his people. |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Nov 17, 2020 23:29:33 GMT
I'm going to assume that Yahweh/Jehovah/Lord/God has been around longer than the hydrogen atoms in my body. Perhaps, (S)he created those atoms. Mankind has been around longer than recorded history. Some say six thousand years, others say humans evolved about one hundred thousand years ago. Why would you, or anyone else, choose a religion that was created by an American less than two hundred years ago? If it were the one true religion, why wasn't it known to Julius Caesar? sounds like gibberish. Why would Caesar even concern himself with Christianity? It was not the main religion of the Jews or his people. It's worse than that. Julius Caesar died forty-four years before Christ was born.
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Post by maya55555 on Nov 17, 2020 23:38:09 GMT
sounds like gibberish. Why would Caesar even concern himself with Christianity? It was not the main religion of the Jews or his people. It's worse than that. Julius Caesar died forty-four years before Christ was born. Well, this proves to the "intellectuals" of the board, that facts of a 40+ year difference, mean nothing.
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Post by clusium on Nov 17, 2020 23:54:28 GMT
Its lucky that the God you belive in just happen to be the correct one. Yup. 
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Post by Rodney Farber on Nov 18, 2020 1:36:18 GMT
sounds like gibberish. Why would Caesar even concern himself with Christianity? It was not the main religion of the Jews or his people. It's worse than that. Julius Caesar died forty-four years before Christ was born. You missed the point (although it was oh-so subtle): If Christianity was the one TRUE religion, then Jehovah would have allowed Julius to partake. How? By having Jesus live before Caesar, Julius could be born again, just like today's Christians. If Jesus died for my sins, he should have died for Caesar's as well.
Why didn't Jehovah send Jesus to Earth so that Moses could be a Christian as well as Caesar?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Nov 18, 2020 1:41:44 GMT
It's worse than that. Julius Caesar died forty-four years before Christ was born. You missed the point (although it was oh-so subtle): If Christianity was the one TRUE religion, then Jehovah would have allowed Julius to partake. How? By having Jesus live before Caesar, Julius could be born again, just like today's Christians. If Jesus died for my sins, he should have died for Caesar's as well.
Why didn't Jehovah send Jesus to Earth so that Moses could be a Christian as well as Caesar?
I don't know. Why don't you ask Him?
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Post by Rodney Farber on Nov 18, 2020 13:33:44 GMT
You missed the point (although it was oh-so subtle): If Christianity was the one TRUE religion, then Jehovah would have allowed Julius to partake. How? By having Jesus live before Caesar, Julius could be born again, just like today's Christians. If Jesus died for my sins, he should have died for Caesar's as well.
Why didn't Jehovah send Jesus to Earth so that Moses could be a Christian as well as Caesar?
I don't know. Why don't you ask Him? Could you ask him for me and post the answer here. Yahweh has me on ignore. He hasn't answered any of my questions or prayers in 53 years.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Nov 19, 2020 12:18:40 GMT
Its lucky that the God you belive in just happen to be the correct one. The notion that one most often adopts the religion and beliefs of the surrounding culture, rather than assessing truths from all options, can be quickly borne out by looking at a religious map of the world showing where faiths predominate. If a person's belief system was really an open choice ultimately dictated by the more convincing arguments of any faith out of many, the map would inevitably be far more speckled. As it we can see the world is still largely divided into massive blocks, albeit with some overlapping.
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Post by Arlon10 on Nov 19, 2020 13:41:16 GMT
Its lucky that the God you belive in just happen to be the correct one. Some scholarly people believe the commandment to "Honor your father and mother" meant that for example a child of Muslim parents (much later of course) should follow the traditions of his parents insofar as they were not violating essential prohibitions of Judaism. In other words if a child has to ask which god to follow the answer is to do what his parents tell him even if they are not considered Jews. It's too bad your parents can't help you with this dilemma. What is confusing you of course is you incapacity to follow abstract ideas. You'll notice that atheists are often dull witted, pedestrian and artless that way.
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Post by Rodney Farber on Nov 19, 2020 13:52:07 GMT
... What is confusing you of course is you incapacity to follow abstract ideas. You'll notice that atheists are often dull witted, pedestrian and artless that way. What is confusing you of course is your incapacity to follow reality. You'll notice that theists throw insults rather than substantiation.
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Post by Arlon10 on Nov 19, 2020 13:54:38 GMT
... You'll notice that atheists are often dull witted, pedestrian and artless that way. You'll notice that theists love to throw out insults instead of substantiation. The truth hurts? What do you think I failed to "substantiate"?
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Nov 19, 2020 14:04:37 GMT
Its lucky that the God you belive in just happen to be the correct one. The notion that one most often adopts the religion and beliefs of the surrounding culture, rather than assessing truths from all options, can be quickly borne out by looking at a religious map of the world showing where faiths predominate. If a person's belief system was really an open choice ultimately dictated by the more convincing arguments of any faith out of many, the map would inevitably be far more speckled. As it we can see the world is still largely divided into massive blocks, albeit with some overlapping. Thank you Captain obvious
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Nov 19, 2020 14:06:51 GMT
Its lucky that the God you belive in just happen to be the correct one. Some scholarly people believe the commandment to "Honor your father and mother" meant that for example a child of Muslim parents (much later of course) should follow the traditions of his parents insofar as they were not violating essential prohibitions of Judaism. In other words if a child has to ask which god to follow the answer is to do what his parents tell him even if they are not considered Jews. It's too bad your parents can't help you with this dilemma. What is confusing you of course is you incapacity to follow abstract ideas. You'll notice that atheists are often dull witted, pedestrian and artless that way. I always love it when strangers on the internet tells me things about me like they know me on a personal level in real life. Don`t make assumptions, you don`t actually know me.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Nov 19, 2020 14:07:22 GMT
The notion that one most often adopts the religion and beliefs of the surrounding culture, rather than assessing truths from all options, can be quickly borne out by looking at a religious map of the world showing where faiths predominate. If a person's belief system was really an open choice ultimately dictated by the more convincing arguments of any faith out of many, the map would inevitably be far more speckled. As it we can see the world is still largely divided into massive blocks, albeit with some overlapping. Thank you Captain obvious Sometimes the obvious needs to be said, it appears.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Nov 19, 2020 15:38:39 GMT
Its lucky that the God you belive in just happen to be the correct one. The notion that one most often adopts the religion and beliefs of the surrounding culture, rather than assessing truths from all options, can be quickly borne out by looking at a religious map of the world showing where faiths predominate. If a person's belief system was really an open choice ultimately dictated by the more convincing arguments of any faith out of many, the map would inevitably be far more speckled. As it we can see the world is still largely divided into massive blocks, albeit with some overlapping. That map is used by some racist Christians to prove white people are more important to God as he sent Christianity to them first. The early church missionaries spread the Good News, convert the pagan tribal chieftains with riches and power if they convert the next chief...using extreme prejudice if necessary...and send the 10% booty back to the church. It’s the first version of the prosperity gospel.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Nov 19, 2020 15:58:18 GMT
Its 2020 and people and there are still people who belive in made up beings.
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