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Post by Arlon10 on Nov 20, 2020 11:32:01 GMT
That's because the Soviet Union no longer exists. I specifically said 'Russia'. Even the Soviet Union was not a specifically Atheist state.
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Post by Karl Aksel on Nov 20, 2020 12:19:18 GMT
I specifically said 'Russia'. Even the Soviet Union was not a specifically Atheist state.
Technically France was first, when during the French Revolution there was a brief period of state atheism, and an attempt to re-purpose churches for the Cult of Reason, the deist Cult of the Supreme Being and such curious monstrosities. Fortunately, they died out with the more radical elements of the revolution - and because frankly, they were a bit silly. It is a capital mistake that many atheists sadly make, to assume that one is rational simply because one is an atheist. Even if one is an atheist for rational reasons, this does not make one rational. Similarly, one can be a Christian for irrational reasons but still not be an irrational person. There's more to a person's reason than one's approach to this very specific topic.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Nov 20, 2020 13:16:45 GMT
It is a capital mistake that many atheists sadly make, to assume that one is rational simply because one is an atheist. Even if one is an atheist for rational reasons, this does not make one rational. Similarly, one can be a Christian for irrational reasons but still not be an irrational person. There's more to a person's reason than one's approach to this very specific topic. Just as it is a mistake thinking that because one is rational one must be a believer in the deliberate supernatural.
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Post by Arlon10 on Nov 20, 2020 13:25:33 GMT
Technically France was first, when during the French Revolution there was a brief period of state atheism, and an attempt to re-purpose churches for the Cult of Reason, the deist Cult of the Supreme Being and such curious monstrosities. Fortunately, they died out with the more radical elements of the revolution - and because frankly, they were a bit silly. It is a capital mistake that many atheists sadly make, to assume that one is rational simply because one is an atheist. Even if one is an atheist for rational reasons, this does not make one rational. Similarly, one can be a Christian for irrational reasons but still not be an irrational person. There's more to a person's reason than one's approach to this very specific topic. When a revolution is being led by an individual personality that person tends to use religion to his own purpose.
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Post by clusium on Nov 20, 2020 15:29:33 GMT
Technically France was first, when during the French Revolution there was a brief period of state atheism, and an attempt to re-purpose churches for the Cult of Reason, the deist Cult of the Supreme Being and such curious monstrosities. Fortunately, they died out with the more radical elements of the revolution - and because frankly, they were a bit silly. It is a capital mistake that many atheists sadly make, to assume that one is rational simply because one is an atheist. Even if one is an atheist for rational reasons, this does not make one rational. Similarly, one can be a Christian for irrational reasons but still not be an irrational person. There's more to a person's reason than one's approach to this very specific topic. When a revolution is being led by an individual personality that person tends to use religion to his own purpose. Yeah, like a certain Fuhrer in Germany, back in WWII.
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Post by goz on Nov 20, 2020 20:29:59 GMT
When a revolution is being led by an individual personality that person tends to use religion to his own purpose. Yeah, like a certain Fuhrer in Germany, back in WWII. ...who used the Christian religion to his advantage!
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Post by goz on Nov 20, 2020 20:34:38 GMT
I specifically said 'Russia'. Even the Soviet Union was not a specifically Atheist state.
You are correct in a sense, however this was more a political movement rather than a religious one. Ideologically the Soviets saw religion merely as a competeing and unnecessary distraction to the citizens.
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Post by clusium on Nov 20, 2020 21:11:40 GMT
Yeah, like a certain Fuhrer in Germany, back in WWII. ...who used the Christian religion to his advantage! Yes, to a certain extent he did. Hitler actually hated Christianity. He much preferred Islam & Eastern religions. That is why he adopted the swastika as the symbol for Nazism.
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Post by clusium on Nov 20, 2020 21:13:30 GMT
You are correct in a sense, however this was more a political movement rather than a religious one. Ideologically the Soviets saw religion merely as a competing and unnecessary distraction to the citizens. Which was why they tried to eradicate it.
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Post by Arlon10 on Nov 20, 2020 22:19:49 GMT
You are correct in a sense, however this was more a political movement rather than a religious one. Ideologically the Soviets saw religion merely as a competeing and unnecessary distraction to the citizens. That does happen from time to time. Especially Australians.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 21, 2020 1:06:35 GMT
None of them. They are all flawed to varying degrees. Born out of a need for a higher power to save ones soul from lack of understanding of being, and to relieve them from the human realm of suffering. Pathetic Earthlings!
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Post by Arlon10 on Nov 21, 2020 8:12:16 GMT
Yeah, like a certain Fuhrer in Germany, back in WWII. ...who used the Christian religion to his advantage! That was not exactly Christianity's fault, although it has reached out to the people in the world who have no religious traditions.
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Post by goz on Nov 21, 2020 20:27:09 GMT
...who used the Christian religion to his advantage! That was not exactly Christianity's fault, although it has reached out to the people in the world who have no religious traditions. If you mean missionaries, in many cases they were criminals who destroyed traditional culture and brought Western diseases.
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Post by mystery on Nov 21, 2020 20:45:17 GMT
I kinda like Transcendentalism. Pity it died out.
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Post by Huxley on Nov 21, 2020 22:26:02 GMT
I think Christianity is the right religion. People through the years have screwed it up.
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Post by goz on Nov 21, 2020 22:32:45 GMT
I think Christianity is the right religion. People through the years have screwed it up. How do you explain the contradictions and sicrepencies in the Bible? Perhaps that helped people screw it up?
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Post by Arlon10 on Nov 22, 2020 3:16:21 GMT
That was not exactly Christianity's fault, although it has reached out to the people in the world who have no religious traditions. If you mean missionaries, in many cases they were criminals who destroyed traditional culture and brought Western diseases. I meant people like you with no religious traditions.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Nov 22, 2020 4:36:59 GMT
I specifically said 'Russia'. Even the Soviet Union was not a specifically Atheist state.
And during WW II, Stalin reopened the churches.
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Post by Arlon10 on Nov 22, 2020 4:45:57 GMT
And during WW II, Stalin reopened the churches. And in 1991 the Soviet Union dissolved.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 23, 2020 7:38:24 GMT
The right religion, is NO religion.
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