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Post by permutojoe on Nov 18, 2020 5:11:31 GMT
Wouldn't that make him "the other".
And if so, does that make all our current psychology about "the other" true or false?
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Post by gw on Nov 18, 2020 7:24:01 GMT
I can only think of one scenario that would lead to a sentient being powerful enough to be considered a god and even then only the sort that obeys paradoxes and doesn't do implausible things. There may be one or more universes in the multiverse where matter and energy manifested in such a way that they became sentient in a holistic way in a very short period of time. I'm not saying that this has necessarily happened, only bringing up the possibility. My only support for the argument is that if a universe can exist that doesn't support life, which has been suggested under the Weak Cosmological Argument, that there may exist a universe that unlike ours, doesn't support life, there may also be on the flipside one that allows for a sort of life that is far beyond what exists in our universe.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 18, 2020 7:37:57 GMT
I can only think of one scenario that would lead to a sentient being powerful enough to be considered a god and even then only the sort that obeys paradoxes and doesn't do implausible things. There may be one or more universes in the multiverse where matter and energy manifested in such a way that they became sentient in a holistic way in a very short period of time. I'm not saying that this has necessarily happened, only bringing up the possibility. My only support for the argument is that if a universe can exist that doesn't support life, which has been suggested under the Weak Cosmological Argument, that there may exist a universe that unlike ours, doesn't support life, there may also be on the flipside one that allows for a sort of life that is far beyond what exists in our universe. Mind=blown. I am joking, but that is an interesting hypothetical. If there is a multiverse then I have no doubt that there could be a universe or had been a universe at some point that "created" beings that we would consider lower case gods in our universe. If the number of universes created by the multiverse is infinite then it seems more than plausible. We have no idea what a multiverse would entail if it does exist and if it could or couldn't create God universes where those Gods create other universes. That is far fetched, but sounds like a cool idea for a movie.
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Post by gw on Nov 18, 2020 7:48:56 GMT
I can only think of one scenario that would lead to a sentient being powerful enough to be considered a god and even then only the sort that obeys paradoxes and doesn't do implausible things. There may be one or more universes in the multiverse where matter and energy manifested in such a way that they became sentient in a holistic way in a very short period of time. I'm not saying that this has necessarily happened, only bringing up the possibility. My only support for the argument is that if a universe can exist that doesn't support life, which has been suggested under the Weak Cosmological Argument, that there may exist a universe that unlike ours, doesn't support life, there may also be on the flipside one that allows for a sort of life that is far beyond what exists in our universe. Mind=blown. I am joking, but that is an interesting hypothetical. If there is a multiverse then I have no doubt that there could be a universe or had been a universe at some point that "created" beings that we would consider lower case gods in our universe. If the number of universes created by the multiverse is infinite then it seems more than plausible. If the multiverse is infinite then a collective even more powerful god could have emerged from innumerable higher beings merging together. I think that Olaf Stapledon probably pondered the idea but went a different route for his novel Starmaker that has a more traditional god that created universes from outside though he does tease the reader with ideas of what beings from 'higher' universes go through.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 18, 2020 8:00:17 GMT
Mind=blown. I am joking, but that is an interesting hypothetical. If there is a multiverse then I have no doubt that there could be a universe or had been a universe at some point that "created" beings that we would consider lower case gods in our universe. If the number of universes created by the multiverse is infinite then it seems more than plausible. If the multiverse is infinite then a collective even more powerful god could have emerged from innumerable higher beings merging together. I think that Olaf Stapledon probably pondered the idea but went a different route for his novel Starmaker that has a more traditional god that created universes from outside though he does tease the reader with ideas of what beings from 'higher' universes go through. Think of that. A non-conscious cause of universes that created a God universe that created our universe. That is far more interesting than the typical theist argument for a conscious creator of our universe. Would it be a deist God or a God tied to a specific religion would then be the question. And people want to be bogged down with this "we need an answer" crap. 
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Post by gw on Nov 18, 2020 8:09:55 GMT
I don't know which religion may be closest for things like how predetermined the universe is or whether there's any reincarnation or afterlife, but I am very skeptical of ones that assume that a god would be omnibenevolent, make people specifically in their image, or misgauge the age of the universe exponentially.
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