Post by drystyx on Nov 19, 2020 21:15:07 GMT
Six guys in a foxhole. All silently pray. The bomb annihilates the bodies of five, so the sixth could believe his prayer was the only prayer.
On the other hand, five pray aloud, and an atheist doesn't. He is the only survivor. It happens five more times, with him being the only survivor. This would lean toward an antagonistic supernatural force that would actually be near proof that there was a supernatural cognitive power against those who sought to understand it.
Now, suppose five of the six taunt God and Jesus, and the sixth prays, and he is spared, and that happens five more times. Maybe he's salvaged so that he can die a very painful, long suffering death in old age.
Or it could happen to the atheist in the other scenario.
Or it could happen to a total materialist in another scenario.
Or it could mean the one survivor had a "game plan" like cowering in a corner beneath an already dead body.
In personal experience, I've found "protective prayer" works much better. Praying for a safe trip doesn't work very well when you wait till you are already on the trip, but if you pray for a safe trip a month in advance, it works always, but then who knows they will take a trip a month in advance? Only a few elite people have the resources to follow through such plans. If they do, they can pray a month in advance, and be rewarded.
Now, if these are "plane trips", there would be almost no way to know. A plane trip that goes awry is probably going to result in not being around to tell anyone if you prayed.
So, it's best to look at "automotive trips" and "bus trips", in which case the individual probably survives to know how well prayer or lack of prayer worked.
Praying during a car trip also involves being aware of possible dangers, and avoiding dangers. For example, if you see deer on the side of the road, and you pray you won't run into a deer, you're more likely to also have your foot closer to the brake, be watching for deer, slowing down from 80 mph to 55 mph, and taking preventing precautions.
So, there's quite a difficulty in determining the power of prayer.
Now, it's also fair to state that if the "good God" was in total omnipotent power, he would allow one to know for sure if prayer worked. The "good God" would never behave in the way the fundamentalist God is preached. We've seen the examples, and know what they are.
So, if we're dealing with the power of prayer, the fact is that we're dealing with the good God being part of a dualist or Gnostic reality. That would also make sense with the scriptures, since we begin with a fall from Grace in the garden, that puts us under the thumb of at least one evil character, and also explains why the good God has to make a sacrifice to salvage us, because the "rules" are not of the good God, but of the enemy.
And as such, even prayers have to pass through the fire of the enemy, because we are "behind enemy lines". The omnipotence of the "good God" is quite obviously in the perfect world of which we are not a part of, since we had the "fall from Grace".
Now, I know it's our nature to say "Hey, I didn't do anything to deserve this", but that's not the point. The point is we are behind enemy lines, and most of us don't like being behind enemy lines. Whatever it takes to get to the superior Heaven instead of this inferior experience of an inferior existence, is what the sane ones among us want to occur.
And yet amidst all this, there are totally insane people claiming this is their life. That, in itself, would make any prayer a delusion. If this is the life one claims, one claims a very inferior experience of existence. What moron would do that? An experience so inferior, that one can't even make one leap across a millionth of the globe, which is less than a trillionth of the Universe. But there are people willing to call this "their life". How the enemy must think how stupid and repulsive and worthless such entities are, to be so ignorant as to claim this experience of existence as their lives, and not even realize they are in prisons. If you woke up in a prison that was impenetrable on all sides, would you think it was some accident? Some mere chance? Not if you had an IQ over 3.133.
And if you prayed to get out of that prison, and nothing happened, you wouldn't think the good God was omnipotent in the experience of the existence you were experiencing. Yet, you wouldn't think that it was just some coincidence of materialism, if you had an IQ over 3.133.
On the other hand, five pray aloud, and an atheist doesn't. He is the only survivor. It happens five more times, with him being the only survivor. This would lean toward an antagonistic supernatural force that would actually be near proof that there was a supernatural cognitive power against those who sought to understand it.
Now, suppose five of the six taunt God and Jesus, and the sixth prays, and he is spared, and that happens five more times. Maybe he's salvaged so that he can die a very painful, long suffering death in old age.
Or it could happen to the atheist in the other scenario.
Or it could happen to a total materialist in another scenario.
Or it could mean the one survivor had a "game plan" like cowering in a corner beneath an already dead body.
In personal experience, I've found "protective prayer" works much better. Praying for a safe trip doesn't work very well when you wait till you are already on the trip, but if you pray for a safe trip a month in advance, it works always, but then who knows they will take a trip a month in advance? Only a few elite people have the resources to follow through such plans. If they do, they can pray a month in advance, and be rewarded.
Now, if these are "plane trips", there would be almost no way to know. A plane trip that goes awry is probably going to result in not being around to tell anyone if you prayed.
So, it's best to look at "automotive trips" and "bus trips", in which case the individual probably survives to know how well prayer or lack of prayer worked.
Praying during a car trip also involves being aware of possible dangers, and avoiding dangers. For example, if you see deer on the side of the road, and you pray you won't run into a deer, you're more likely to also have your foot closer to the brake, be watching for deer, slowing down from 80 mph to 55 mph, and taking preventing precautions.
So, there's quite a difficulty in determining the power of prayer.
Now, it's also fair to state that if the "good God" was in total omnipotent power, he would allow one to know for sure if prayer worked. The "good God" would never behave in the way the fundamentalist God is preached. We've seen the examples, and know what they are.
So, if we're dealing with the power of prayer, the fact is that we're dealing with the good God being part of a dualist or Gnostic reality. That would also make sense with the scriptures, since we begin with a fall from Grace in the garden, that puts us under the thumb of at least one evil character, and also explains why the good God has to make a sacrifice to salvage us, because the "rules" are not of the good God, but of the enemy.
And as such, even prayers have to pass through the fire of the enemy, because we are "behind enemy lines". The omnipotence of the "good God" is quite obviously in the perfect world of which we are not a part of, since we had the "fall from Grace".
Now, I know it's our nature to say "Hey, I didn't do anything to deserve this", but that's not the point. The point is we are behind enemy lines, and most of us don't like being behind enemy lines. Whatever it takes to get to the superior Heaven instead of this inferior experience of an inferior existence, is what the sane ones among us want to occur.
And yet amidst all this, there are totally insane people claiming this is their life. That, in itself, would make any prayer a delusion. If this is the life one claims, one claims a very inferior experience of existence. What moron would do that? An experience so inferior, that one can't even make one leap across a millionth of the globe, which is less than a trillionth of the Universe. But there are people willing to call this "their life". How the enemy must think how stupid and repulsive and worthless such entities are, to be so ignorant as to claim this experience of existence as their lives, and not even realize they are in prisons. If you woke up in a prison that was impenetrable on all sides, would you think it was some accident? Some mere chance? Not if you had an IQ over 3.133.
And if you prayed to get out of that prison, and nothing happened, you wouldn't think the good God was omnipotent in the experience of the existence you were experiencing. Yet, you wouldn't think that it was just some coincidence of materialism, if you had an IQ over 3.133.