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Post by SciFive on Dec 22, 2020 18:20:28 GMT
Communism killed 100 million people.
They built fences to lock their people inside.
Billions and billions of random innocent people are the targets for the anti-religion religion and this is totally inexcusable.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Dec 22, 2020 18:34:00 GMT
Communism killed 100 million people. They built fences to lock their people inside. Billions and billions of random innocent people are the targets for the anti-religion religion and this is totally inexcusable. Still only a fraction of the amount of people who has been killed because of religion. And its mostly religious people who attack religious people for having a different Interpretation of the same faith or because they have a different faith. Also communist did not kill in the name of atheism. But religious people have through out history killed in the name of religion and the God they belive in. Also communist government killed everyone religious people and atheists.
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Post by SciFive on Dec 22, 2020 18:36:56 GMT
There is absolutely no excuse to accuse billions and billions of random innocent people of virtual murder for what they think in the privacy of their own minds.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Dec 22, 2020 19:50:31 GMT
Communism killed 100 million people. They built fences to lock their people inside. Billions and billions of random innocent people are the targets for the anti-religion religion and this is totally inexcusable. "Communism killed 100 million people." Actually that number has been widely disputed, the "100 million people died under communism" meme came from a book called "The Black book of Communism" by Stephen Cortois, which incidently two of the contributors (Margolin and Weth) are highly critical of the claim: Margolin and Werth felt that Courtois was "obsessed" with arriving at a total of 100 million killed which resulted in "sloppy and biased scholarship",[33] faulted him for exaggerating death tolls in specific countries[6][34]:194[35]:123 and rejected the comparison between Communism and Nazism.[3] Now don't get me wrong, Stalin and Mao were brutal dictators that killed quite a few people, but the "100 million people" meme isn't based on vast historical consensus or anything. But sake of argument let's say 100 million people did in fact die under atheist communist dictators (which is what you're referring to). This doesn't really help your case, these governments weren't killing people "in the name of atheism" and trying to promote rational thinking and skepticism (quite the opposite really) they were getting rid of any competing idealogies with the state (Stalin also didn't like liberal and conservative political parties). Why do you think Stalin and Mao erected statues and paintings of themselves as essentially idols to worship? They weren't trying to get rid of dogmatic thinking (which is what religion essentially is) they just didn't want other dogma competing with theirs. So this "100 million people died" meme doesn't really help your case, quite the opposite, Stalin relied on the same tactics that religion does (dogmatism) to spread his influence.
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Post by SciFive on Dec 22, 2020 19:59:34 GMT
The billions and billions of random innocents are just thinking.
They have the right to think.
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Post by goz on Dec 22, 2020 20:47:31 GMT
The billions and billions of random innocents are just thinking. They have the right to think. You are clearly insane, repeating this nonsense over and over. We 'get' that you don't like your precious belief system whatever it is ( you seem strangely reticent in sharing it for some reason) criticised, but to claim that 'atheists' are stopping billions of people who you claim to be innocent ( of something  ) are stopping people from thinking, is ludicrous. Think and believe whatever you like and allow people to discuss religion on a religious message board without getting your knickers in a knot and making preposterous claims about nothing at all. If you don't like it....fuck off and/or make some decent arguments that show your belief watever it is, has some logical and rational merit!
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Post by SciFive on Dec 22, 2020 20:54:05 GMT
The truth needs to reach certain people.
The truth is that targeting billions of people for what they’re thinking is inexcusable.
I’ve not claimed here that God exists no matter how many times people have BEGGED ME to do it (or claimed that I did it when I haven’t done it).
There shouldn’t be such a war about thoughts.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 22, 2020 21:21:49 GMT
The truth needs to reach certain people. The truth is that targeting billions of people for what they’re thinking is inexcusable. I’ve not claimed here that God exists no matter how many times people have BEGGED ME to do it (or claimed that I did it when I haven’t done it). There shouldn’t be such a war about thoughts. Belief that is projected and shared, is along the same dynamic of claiming existence of something, because the belief is held onto as real by many. This is exactly what religion has done to the conditioning of the human mindset throughout the world and has forced this belief onto millions and starts with the children. Insidious!
An example, MGM which is born of belief? This was largely a religious practice that was to see the bearer of the mutilated penis goes to God upon death. This is still practiced in religious arenas ie), Judaism and Islam. The health argument is a lie too. Either example, built around lies.
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Post by SciFive on Dec 22, 2020 21:25:36 GMT
“This is exactly what liberalism has done to the conditioning of the human mindset....”
It’s why I left. The liberal talking points created after 9/11 made me puke.
I changed to Republican without asking a single one of them to talk me into it.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Dec 22, 2020 22:06:04 GMT
“This is exactly what liberalism has done to the conditioning of the human mindset....” It’s why I left. The liberal talking points created after 9/11 made me puke. I changed to Republican without asking a single one of them to talk me into it. You changed to the party that lied and caused one of the biggest American disasters (Iraq War) right after 9-11? Oh man that was a great judgment call...
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Post by SciFive on Dec 22, 2020 22:11:20 GMT
After 9/11, liberals were already getting into the disdain for western civilization that is so prominent now in the cancel culture. It was a slow rise but I saw it.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Dec 22, 2020 22:15:03 GMT
After 9/11, liberals were already getting into the disdain for western civilization that is so prominent now in the cancel culture. It was a slow rise but I saw it. What do you mean by that? Give examples. You realize the US is the one that illegally entered a war under false pretenses that lead to the deaths of thousands of people, both US soldiers and civilians, right?
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Post by goz on Dec 22, 2020 22:40:19 GMT
The truth needs to reach certain people. The truth is that targeting billions of people for what they’re thinking is inexcusable. I’ve not claimed here that God exists no matter how many times people have BEGGED ME to do it (or claimed that I did it when I haven’t done it). There shouldn’t be such a war about thoughts. There isn't...except in your crazy head! 
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Post by SciFive on Dec 22, 2020 22:46:52 GMT
The truth needs to reach certain people. The truth is that targeting billions of people for what they’re thinking is inexcusable. I’ve not claimed here that God exists no matter how many times people have BEGGED ME to do it (or claimed that I did it when I haven’t done it). There shouldn’t be such a war about thoughts. There isn't...except in your crazy head! You’ve got “the church” (whatever the heck that is among so many denominations and congregations that cover billions of people around the world) having gullible people in another thread. This is an attack on billions of people for their thoughts (or alleged thoughts). It’s inexcusable. |
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Post by goz on Dec 22, 2020 23:01:50 GMT
There isn't...except in your crazy head! You’ve got “the church” (whatever the heck that is among so many denominations and congregations that cover billions of people around the world) having gullible people in another thread. This is an attack on billions of people for their thoughts (or alleged thoughts). It’s inexcusable. Yes. That is another thread with concrete evidence of irrationality in religion.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Dec 22, 2020 23:26:14 GMT
The billions and billions of random innocents are just thinking. They have the right to think. Who has said that they don`t have that right ?
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Post by lowtacks86 on Dec 22, 2020 23:29:38 GMT
The billions and billions of random innocents are just thinking. They have the right to think. Who has said that they don`t have that right ? Her made up Strawman says that
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Post by SciFive on Dec 22, 2020 23:57:37 GMT
This endless mass slandering of billions of innocent prople for believing in a higher power is baloney.
Religion has been mainstream all over the world since the beginning of recorded history.
Secularism is newer.
Treating innocent believer people as if they are irrational, brain-washed, gullible, etc, is a political smearjob and completely inexcusable.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Dec 23, 2020 0:08:59 GMT
This endless mass slandering of billions of innocent prople for believing in a higher power is baloney. Religion has been mainstream all over the world since the beginning of recorded history. Secularism is newer. Treating innocent believer people as if they are irrational, brain-washed, gullible, etc, is a political smearjob and completely inexcusable. "This endless mass slandering of billions of innocent prople for believing in a higher power is baloney." What slander has been presented in this thread? You realize slander typically means "lies" right? Can you name one lie presented in this thread? "Religion has been mainstream all over the world since the beginning of recorded history. Secularism is newer." fallacyinlogic.com/appeal-to-tradition-fallacy-definition-and-examples/"Treating innocent believer people as if they are irrational, brain-washed, gullible, etc, is a political smearjob and completely inexcusable. " Translation: My dogshit arguments are getting torn apart so I'm gonna resort to ad homs.
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Post by Admin on Dec 23, 2020 0:09:05 GMT
It's about simple logic and reason. The First Cause argument is grounded in simple logic and reason, and it's supported by the very world in which we live. While it's true that it doesn't empirically prove the existence of God, it covers a pretty good chunk of it and so it's not that big of a leap. And that's just one argument of many. I think those who say belief in God is irrational/unreasonable haven't really thought it through, and that is evidenced by this very thread. It's the ones who summarily dismiss believers as delusional that stall these chats. Not everyone who believes in God does so because the Bible (or a church) tells them to. Some theists are actually very intelligent people who actually think for themselves. I can't speak for other atheists but the only issue I have is with the ideas of those who assert, as a matter of faith, that the First Cause must be a magical one, one which is usually seen as deliberate and which is moreover a moral force, sometimes associated with a preference for the human. This seems to be loading a lot into reality for which there is no evidence. 'That which we call God', just as you say, can mean a host of things to different people. Traditionally though the word is imbued with cultural and philosophical assumptions and preconceptions which are based on psychology and emotion more than anything else. You say that as if it's a bad thing.
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