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Post by Schwarzwald Magnus on Nov 26, 2020 1:07:57 GMT
And the one on the other side is only a perfect copy with their memories?
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Post by uncreative on Nov 26, 2020 1:13:28 GMT
That's absolutely what happens.
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Post by permutojoe on Nov 26, 2020 1:30:39 GMT
 Does that mean Scotty is a murderer or can he plead ignorance?  Scotty didn't know. |
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Post by Schwarzwald Magnus on Nov 26, 2020 2:22:46 GMT
That's a great existential question.
The actual physical being and it's genetic and atomic nature is not transported. Only a facsimile of the original body is recreated. So no, it's not the same creature, only an automated copy with all its traits and memory.
The new creature thinks it's Kirk or Scotty, but it's not. The original creature has been destroyed.
The teleported being is like a photograph of the original. Are you your photograph?
It means that trillions and trillions of beings have been killed in the franchise and all the main characters are killed several times every episode.
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Post by Karl Aksel on Nov 26, 2020 10:21:30 GMT
And the one on the other side is only a perfect copy with their memories? That is what I have always assumed must have been going on.
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Post by Stammerhead on Nov 26, 2020 15:22:57 GMT
Or what if they have to kill the originals because the transporter only sends a copy?
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Post by alpha128 on Nov 26, 2020 19:53:22 GMT
CGP Grey did a video on this very topic.
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Post by Stammerhead on Nov 26, 2020 23:03:41 GMT
Or what if they have to kill the originals because the transporter only sends a copy? The originals are killed in the initial process. I used the twist from a film for inspiration there. 
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Post by Catman on Nov 26, 2020 23:09:19 GMT
In the episode 'Second Chances' of Star Trek: The Next Generation, Will Riker encounters a duplicate of himself created eight years earlier due to a transporter incident.
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Post by Stammerhead on Nov 27, 2020 0:55:44 GMT
In the episode 'Second Chances' of Star Trek: The Next Generation, Will Riker encounters a duplicate of himself created eight years earlier due to a transporter incident. That’s why you have to kill the originals. 
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Post by Ass_E9 on Nov 27, 2020 1:00:20 GMT
"As you can see, transporters are 100% safe aside from a minor side effect. And a little skin moisturizer should take care of that."
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Post by Stammerhead on Nov 27, 2020 1:09:22 GMT
"As you can see, transporters are 100% safe aside from a minor side effect. And a little skin moisturizer should take care of that."
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Post by MCDemuth on Nov 27, 2020 1:33:53 GMT
Star Trek Enterprise had the creator of the transporters mention the "Weird Copies"... and they all agreed that if that were true, that they all were, and they didn't care.
I find it odd that the Transporter was such an underused piece of technology...
Scotty used it as a method of status, and came back out in the 24th century.
It was used to cure Dr. Pulaski of her aging sickness.
It was used to save Picard from a nebula...
Riker was spit into two.
Picard and crew were restored to Adults.
Tuvix was split back into Tuvok and Neelix.
ETC.
Stuff like this happened only once in the series.
Why were there so many medical emergencies, when they simply could have cured everyone with the transporters, by beaming out the viruses?
How about when Nog lost his leg? Couldn't he go through the transporter, and then use an earlier transport pattern of him, when he still had his leg?
Crewmen were killed all the time... Couldn't they be brought back using the transporters to create clones?
Clones? If there could be two Rikers, why not 100 Datas?
They've beamed shuttlecraft back into the shuttlebays... Why not make more?
How about duplicating Dilithium Crystals... why just beam up a handful, when you can just keep making copies, and have enough to power the ship forever?
Well, I think you get the point.
A flawed plot device, that the writers were never consistent about.
It was only used to save the day, when they couldn't think of any other way to resolve the story...
By the way, Sulu and his crewmates are still waiting for that single double pot of hot coffee to be beamed down to that freezing planet... And Where are the tents, blankets, and extra clothing they could use as well? Matches?
Who cares if they were doubled?
It was only electronics and living creatures that were the problem.
Ugh... Just too mind-boggling to think about for all us nitpickers.
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Post by Schwarzwald Magnus on Nov 27, 2020 1:47:58 GMT
In the episode 'Second Chances' of Star Trek: The Next Generation, Will Riker encounters a duplicate of himself created eight years earlier due to a transporter incident. That’s why you have to kill the originals. Poor Tuvix.
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Post by bravomailer on Nov 27, 2020 1:54:09 GMT
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Post by Schwarzwald Magnus on Nov 27, 2020 2:48:21 GMT
It means that trillions and trillions of beings have been killed in the franchise and all the main characters are killed several times every episode. The universe is fucked. Teleportation ends up destroying humanity. You can't keep making copies of copies of copies of copies forever without the unique original being destroyed. No technology is perfect. There will be minor flaws which become major flaws. There will be mutations. Eventually the whole system will crumble. There's a scene from one of the Will Shatner movies where two people get scrambled in a transporter beam. It's one of the most unpleasant scenes in the franchise.
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Post by gw on Nov 27, 2020 6:57:55 GMT
I don't know how you'd know this but for me the ultimate test is whether there's a continuous consciousness from beforehand to afterward. I suppose no matter what the recently teleported person would think that they're the same person so I don't know how you'd ascertain whether it's one way or the other.
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Post by Admin on Nov 27, 2020 7:06:02 GMT
Or what if they have to kill the originals because the transporter only sends a copy? In the pilot episode of TNG, Encounter at Farpoint, Data tells Riker that the transporters "convert our bodies to an energy beam then back to the original form."
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Post by Schwarzwald Magnus on Nov 27, 2020 8:06:25 GMT
There's a scene from one of the Will Shatner movies where two people get scrambled in a transporter beam. It's one of the most unpleasant scenes in the franchise. This would be a question for a real sci-fi buff. But I've been reading up on Star Trek's transporters. My question would be are the molecules being scrambled and sent through space? Or are they being duplicated? People have been fused and duplicated by transporters before so that violates conversation of mass. They must be converted into pure energy which has to be death.
There was an episode where there's a first person perspective and we see the transition to the new place without skip which is good news but I suspect the writers just choose not to be grim.
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Post by Admin on Nov 27, 2020 9:47:09 GMT
This would be a question for a real sci-fi buff. But I've been reading up on Star Trek's transporters. My question would be are the molecules being scrambled and sent through space? Or are they being duplicated? People have been fused and duplicated by transporters before so that violates conversation of mass. They must be converted into pure energy which has to be death. There was an episode where there's a first person perspective and we see the transition to the new place without skip which is good news but I suspect the writers just choose not to be grim.
There was also this episode: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realm_of_Fear
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