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Post by moviemouth on Nov 29, 2020 20:17:59 GMT
I am talking about men who can now pretend just to use the women's shower and bathroom. That can't be done with the normal way things are. Do I think this is likely? Not very, but it is cause for some concern imo. I am not talking about attacks, I am talking about creepsters who just want to watch women undress and naked and if they can just say they are trans then it would be very easy. So basically I think the rule should be that only someone with full surgery should be able to take a shower with women. As a man I don't care who uses the men's bathroom. I don't see an issue with gays or trans in any military. Gays have been in the military in different countries for centuries. Alexander the Great was gay. Are you paying attention here? Keep up. I didn't say I have a problem with trans people in the military.
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Post by HeCantStandStill on Nov 29, 2020 21:32:10 GMT
I don't see an issue with gays or trans in any military. Gays have been in the military in different countries for centuries. Alexander the Great was gay. Are you paying attention here? Keep up. I didn't say I have a problem with trans people in the military. I know that. I am 100% agreeing with you.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 29, 2020 21:52:57 GMT
Are you paying attention here? Keep up. I didn't say I have a problem with trans people in the military. I know that. I am 100% agreeing with you. I apologize. I did the thing I thought you were doing. I misread your comment as taking what I said and coming to the wrong conclusion that I don't support trans people in the military. In fact, here is an open invitation for anybody to give a legit and well warranted reason as to why trans people shouldn't be able to serve in the military. The shower concern is relatively minor and I feel is something that can be easily dealt with. I am very glad that you came back with a nicer response than I gave.
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Post by gw on Nov 29, 2020 22:04:48 GMT
It's not a scientific idea as much as an existential one. One can make a scientific argument for it but it really depends how you define gender in the first place which is obviously beyond the purview of science. Is gender just a matter of chromosomes? Well then you can't change gender. But if you define gender more broadly to include appearance, genitalia, clothing, behaviours etc then all these things can indeed be changed and there are strong reasons for preferring that definition of gender (we can't tell someone's chromosomes by looking at them). There's also scientific analysis to suggest transgender people exhibit brain patterns more typical of the gender they claim to be. Well if scientists can determine that someone with Klinefelter's syndrome is a male then why can't they define what gender is? I heard but forgot about the brain patterns being different in at least some of the cases. According to a Scientific American article there are different studies with different conclusions on transgender people's brains. One said that they're more like the brain of the cisgendered brains of their decided gender, one says that they're in between, and one says that there's unique brain characteristics shared by transgender people. My view was based off of chromosomes and the ability to procreate. I hadn't taken into account the prenatal development and how it shapes individuals closer towards one sex's characteristics and the other. I think that the author of the article has too many preconceptions when they say "Simply put, the idea of a sexual binary isn't scientifically useful and nowhere is this more obvious than in the brain." There may be many characteristics that can be shared between males and females but they still have different chromosomes and different gonads and reproductive roles. I think that if they made a distinction between procreation roles and resemblance to others in hormones and the like, there may be a case but I still think that we should distinguish between their brain and body's behavior and their sexual capabilities.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 29, 2020 22:14:25 GMT
Pick one section and then I can address one thing at a time. Our choices are made purposeful through the imperfections of our reality where many decisions have consequences where each choice is less than ideal. If our choices had no imperfect consequences then why make them at all? You could just decide everything through the flip of a coin and there would be no need to weigh pros and cons in a decision making process. Start there. The world is what it is and we can only act according to the facts of reality. You were talking about "other worlds" or something and that is where I get lost. I would argue that many of our "choices" aren't actually choices, but are pre-determined. My view is that you are trying to make this sound more deep than it actually is.
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Post by HeCantStandStill on Nov 29, 2020 22:18:10 GMT
I know that. I am 100% agreeing with you. I apologize. I did the thing I thought you were doing. I misread your comment as taking what I said and coming to the wrong conclusion that I don't support trans people in the military. In fact, here is an open invitation for anybody to give a legit and well warranted reason as to why trans people shouldn't be able to serve in the military. The shower concern is relatively minor and I feel is something that can be easily dealt with. I am very glad that you came back with a nicer response than I gave. All good.
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Post by gw on Nov 30, 2020 0:12:49 GMT
Our choices are made purposeful through the imperfections of our reality where many decisions have consequences where each choice is less than ideal. If our choices had no imperfect consequences then why make them at all? You could just decide everything through the flip of a coin and there would be no need to weigh pros and cons in a decision making process. Start there. The world is what it is and we can only act according to the facts of reality. You were talking about "other worlds" or something and that is where I get lost. I would argue that many of our "choices" aren't actually choices, but are pre-determined. My view is that you are trying to make this sound more deep than it actually is. It's a little bit complicated. Freedom of choice is real in a way because you can clearly steer yourself to do something new even if it is all predetermined. There are, of course, choices that we make without deliberating very much but I'm thinking more of the ones where we do. I didn't mean to make it sound deep but I have a very formal way of talking. My idea is basically the philosophical equivalent of a goldilocks zone. The first thing I meant was that if it were necessary to always have a perfect choice then our reality wouldn't exist. The reason I was referring to the 'material' reality and not the 'social' one is that all of our social predicaments are a reflection of the underlying material reality. If you want to see where I'm coming from when I say that if it weren't for imperfect choices then our reality wouldn't exist, read Stanislaw Lem's Golem XIV story. Our whole human and animal existence is a chemical response to the overabundance of oxygen created as waste by photosynthesizing bacteria. if we lived in a more just ecosystem we would get our energy from the sun and our bodies would be made from minerals gotten directly from the soil. Our whole existence is a result of life evolving to adapt to the limitations set by previous life on Earth which evolved without the intellect to shape the earth's ecosystem on the whole . I don't know if there is another actual reality where things work out easier than ours but I need to make a comparison to something. All I wanted to say is that IF there is a more orderly existence without tough choices like between preserving wildlife's habitat or mining metals from a mountain, that we would either be forced to choose only an ideal choice or we would choose between equally fine choices such as picking between life on one of two different identical star systems which have different geographies but both support life and no matter which place you chose to live you'd be happy all the time and live an equally long time. Can I say for certain that such a thing is somehow 'wrong'? No, only that from a perspective of choice that it seems rather boring because there's either a right way to do something and thus an ideal state of being that one can only disobey or there's no significant choices to be made at all and thus that our reality being so non-ideal makes it more appealing to live in in a certain dis-attached ironic way because it gives our life a character that only imperfection can. There was something else I wanted to say but it slipped my mind and this seems to cover it about as well as I can manage. When I said "many possible worlds to live in" take it like this: There would only be a universe where everything worked out fine and we wouldn't exist, and just about everything we know wouldn't either.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 30, 2020 0:16:04 GMT
The world is what it is and we can only act according to the facts of reality. You were talking about "other worlds" or something and that is where I get lost. I would argue that many of our "choices" aren't actually choices, but are pre-determined. My view is that you are trying to make this sound more deep than it actually is. It's a little bit complicated. Freedom of choice is real in a way because you can clearly steer yourself to do something new even if it is all predetermined. There are, of course, choices that we make without deliberating very much but I'm thinking more of the ones where we do. I didn't mean to make it sound deep but I have a very formal way of talking. My idea is basically the philosophical equivalent of a goldilocks zone. The first thing I meant was that if it were necessary to always have a perfect choice then our reality wouldn't exist. The reason I was referring to the 'material' reality and not the 'social' one is that all of our social predicaments are a reflection of the underlying material reality. If you want to see where I'm coming from when I say that if it weren't for imperfect choices then our reality wouldn't exist, read Stanislaw Lem's Golem XIV story. Our whole human and animal existence is a chemical response to the overabundance of oxygen created as waste by photosynthesizing bacteria. if we lived in a more just ecosystem we would get our energy from the sun and our bodies would be made from minerals gotten directly from the soil. Our whole existence is a result of life evolving to adapt to the limitations set by previous life on Earth which evolved without the intellect to shape the earth's ecosystem on the whole . I don't know if there is another actual reality where things work out easier than ours but I need to make a comparison to something. All I wanted to say is that IF there is a more orderly existence without tough choices like between preserving wildlife's habitat or mining metals from a mountain, that we would either be forced to choose only an ideal choice or we would choose between equally fine choices such as picking between life on one of two different identical star systems which have different geographies but both support life and no matter which place you chose to live you'd be happy all the time and live an equally long time. Can I say for certain that such a thing is somehow 'wrong'? No, only that from a perspective of choice that it seems rather boring because there's either a right way to do something and thus an ideal state of being that one can only disobey or there's no significant choices to be made at all and thus that our reality being so non-ideal makes it more appealing to live in in a certain dis-attached ironic way because it gives our life a character that only imperfection can. There was something else I wanted to say but it slipped my mind and this seems to cover it about as well as I can manage. When I said "many possible worlds to live in" take it like this: There would only be a universe where everything worked out fine and we wouldn't exist, and just about everything we know wouldn't either. This is over my head to the point where it has my eyes glazing over. More to the point, it goes past my interest level. You did explain it more directly this time though. I appreciate the effort you put in above.
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Post by gw on Nov 30, 2020 0:27:35 GMT
It's a little bit complicated. Freedom of choice is real in a way because you can clearly steer yourself to do something new even if it is all predetermined. There are, of course, choices that we make without deliberating very much but I'm thinking more of the ones where we do. I didn't mean to make it sound deep but I have a very formal way of talking. My idea is basically the philosophical equivalent of a goldilocks zone. The first thing I meant was that if it were necessary to always have a perfect choice then our reality wouldn't exist. The reason I was referring to the 'material' reality and not the 'social' one is that all of our social predicaments are a reflection of the underlying material reality. If you want to see where I'm coming from when I say that if it weren't for imperfect choices then our reality wouldn't exist, read Stanislaw Lem's Golem XIV story. Our whole human and animal existence is a chemical response to the overabundance of oxygen created as waste by photosynthesizing bacteria. if we lived in a more just ecosystem we would get our energy from the sun and our bodies would be made from minerals gotten directly from the soil. Our whole existence is a result of life evolving to adapt to the limitations set by previous life on Earth which evolved without the intellect to shape the earth's ecosystem on the whole . I don't know if there is another actual reality where things work out easier than ours but I need to make a comparison to something. All I wanted to say is that IF there is a more orderly existence without tough choices like between preserving wildlife's habitat or mining metals from a mountain, that we would either be forced to choose only an ideal choice or we would choose between equally fine choices such as picking between life on one of two different identical star systems which have different geographies but both support life and no matter which place you chose to live you'd be happy all the time and live an equally long time. Can I say for certain that such a thing is somehow 'wrong'? No, only that from a perspective of choice that it seems rather boring because there's either a right way to do something and thus an ideal state of being that one can only disobey or there's no significant choices to be made at all and thus that our reality being so non-ideal makes it more appealing to live in in a certain dis-attached ironic way because it gives our life a character that only imperfection can. There was something else I wanted to say but it slipped my mind and this seems to cover it about as well as I can manage. When I said "many possible worlds to live in" take it like this: There would only be a universe where everything worked out fine and we wouldn't exist, and just about everything we know wouldn't either. This is over my head to the point where it has my eyes glazing over. I tried my best to explain my POV but I guess my thought process is a little too abstract for some. I figured somebody with Asperger's might get it. Perhaps my thought process is a bit too complex on the subject for me to explain it easily enough to the average person.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 30, 2020 0:36:08 GMT
This is over my head to the point where it has my eyes glazing over. I tried my best to explain my POV but I guess my thought process is a little too abstract for some. I figured somebody with Asperger's might get it. Perhaps my thought process is a bit too complex on the subject for me to explain it easily enough to the average person. I am good with the abstract, but only to a point. Like basic abstract. Generally it is said that people with Asperger's have a harder time with abstract concepts than the average person. Movies have done a lot to help me better understand the abstract over the years. It also depends on interest level. This just goes a bit past my interest level. It would help if you broke it down in sections btw. I can't stand giant paragraphs. It causes me to lose focus.
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Post by gw on Nov 30, 2020 0:54:14 GMT
I tried my best to explain my POV but I guess my thought process is a little too abstract for some. I figured somebody with Asperger's might get it. Perhaps my thought process is a bit too complex on the subject for me to explain it easily enough to the average person. I am good with the abstract, but only to a point. Like basic abstract. Generally it is said that people with Asperger's have a harder time with abstract concepts than the average person. Movies have done a lot to help me better understand the abstract over the years. It also depends on interest level. This just goes a bit past my interest level. It would help if you broke it down in sections btw. I can't stand giant paragraphs. It causes me to lose focus. I'd do that but I don't think that it would help much. Maybe it would make more sense if I did a video with diagrams.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 30, 2020 1:01:14 GMT
I am good with the abstract, but only to a point. Like basic abstract. Generally it is said that people with Asperger's have a harder time with abstract concepts than the average person. Movies have done a lot to help me better understand the abstract over the years. It also depends on interest level. This just goes a bit past my interest level. It would help if you broke it down in sections btw. I can't stand giant paragraphs. It causes me to lose focus. I'd do that but I don't think that it would help much. Maybe it would make more sense if I did a video with diagrams. I'd watch it if you did. I am better with visual presentation on these subjects.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 30, 2020 1:13:36 GMT
The world is what it is and we can only act according to the facts of reality. You were talking about "other worlds" or something and that is where I get lost. I would argue that many of our "choices" aren't actually choices, but are pre-determined. My view is that you are trying to make this sound more deep than it actually is. It's a little bit complicated. Freedom of choice is real in a way because you can clearly steer yourself to do something new even if it is all predetermined. There are, of course, choices that we make without deliberating very much but I'm thinking more of the ones where we do. I didn't mean to make it sound deep but I have a very formal way of talking. My idea is basically the philosophical equivalent of a goldilocks zone. The first thing I meant was that if it were necessary to always have a perfect choice then our reality wouldn't exist. The reason I was referring to the 'material' reality and not the 'social' one is that all of our social predicaments are a reflection of the underlying material reality. If you want to see where I'm coming from when I say that if it weren't for imperfect choices then our reality wouldn't exist, read Stanislaw Lem's Golem XIV story. Our whole human and animal existence is a chemical response to the overabundance of oxygen created as waste by photosynthesizing bacteria. if we lived in a more just ecosystem we would get our energy from the sun and our bodies would be made from minerals gotten directly from the soil. Our whole existence is a result of life evolving to adapt to the limitations set by previous life on Earth which evolved without the intellect to shape the earth's ecosystem on the whole . I don't know if there is another actual reality where things work out easier than ours but I need to make a comparison to something. All I wanted to say is that IF there is a more orderly existence without tough choices like between preserving wildlife's habitat or mining metals from a mountain, that we would either be forced to choose only an ideal choice or we would choose between equally fine choices such as picking between life on one of two different identical star systems which have different geographies but both support life and no matter which place you chose to live you'd be happy all the time and live an equally long time. Can I say for certain that such a thing is somehow 'wrong'? No, only that from a perspective of choice that it seems rather boring because there's either a right way to do something and thus an ideal state of being that one can only disobey or there's no significant choices to be made at all and thus that our reality being so non-ideal makes it more appealing to live in in a certain dis-attached ironic way because it gives our life a character that only imperfection can. There was something else I wanted to say but it slipped my mind and this seems to cover it about as well as I can manage. When I said "many possible worlds to live in" take it like this: There would only be a universe where everything worked out fine and we wouldn't exist, and just about everything we know wouldn't either. Okay, I read it over again. Is all you are saying is that the way reality is in this universe makes it more interesting than if we lived in a non-existent "perfect" world? And that if the world had came about in a different way, then this reality wouldn't exist? I would agree with that obviously. What would a perfect world even be? If we lived in this imaginary world wouldn't even know it was boring or that we were missing anything? It might be impossible that a world like that could even exist. Am I glad we don't live in a world like that? Yes, but only because it sounds very boring from the perception of someone living in a non-perfect world. If this is what you are talking about then you wrote it out way more complicated than it needed to be.
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Post by gw on Nov 30, 2020 4:05:13 GMT
It's a little bit complicated. Freedom of choice is real in a way because you can clearly steer yourself to do something new even if it is all predetermined. There are, of course, choices that we make without deliberating very much but I'm thinking more of the ones where we do. I didn't mean to make it sound deep but I have a very formal way of talking. My idea is basically the philosophical equivalent of a goldilocks zone. The first thing I meant was that if it were necessary to always have a perfect choice then our reality wouldn't exist. The reason I was referring to the 'material' reality and not the 'social' one is that all of our social predicaments are a reflection of the underlying material reality. If you want to see where I'm coming from when I say that if it weren't for imperfect choices then our reality wouldn't exist, read Stanislaw Lem's Golem XIV story. Our whole human and animal existence is a chemical response to the overabundance of oxygen created as waste by photosynthesizing bacteria. if we lived in a more just ecosystem we would get our energy from the sun and our bodies would be made from minerals gotten directly from the soil. Our whole existence is a result of life evolving to adapt to the limitations set by previous life on Earth which evolved without the intellect to shape the earth's ecosystem on the whole . I don't know if there is another actual reality where things work out easier than ours but I need to make a comparison to something. All I wanted to say is that IF there is a more orderly existence without tough choices like between preserving wildlife's habitat or mining metals from a mountain, that we would either be forced to choose only an ideal choice or we would choose between equally fine choices such as picking between life on one of two different identical star systems which have different geographies but both support life and no matter which place you chose to live you'd be happy all the time and live an equally long time. Can I say for certain that such a thing is somehow 'wrong'? No, only that from a perspective of choice that it seems rather boring because there's either a right way to do something and thus an ideal state of being that one can only disobey or there's no significant choices to be made at all and thus that our reality being so non-ideal makes it more appealing to live in in a certain dis-attached ironic way because it gives our life a character that only imperfection can. There was something else I wanted to say but it slipped my mind and this seems to cover it about as well as I can manage. When I said "many possible worlds to live in" take it like this: There would only be a universe where everything worked out fine and we wouldn't exist, and just about everything we know wouldn't either. Okay, I read it over again. Is all you are saying is that the way reality is in this universe makes it more interesting than if we lived in a non-existent "perfect" world? And that if the world had came about in a different way, then this reality wouldn't exist? I would agree with that obviously. What would a perfect world even be? If we lived in this imaginary world wouldn't even know it was boring or that we were missing anything? It might be impossible that a world like that could even exist. Am I glad we don't live in a world like that? Yes, but only because it sounds very boring from the perception of someone living in a non-perfect world. If this is what you are talking about then you wrote it out way more complicated than it needed to be. You got most of it. As for the 'perfect world' I don't know for sure whether it exists or not. I do know, or at least assume through observation, that by the standards of perfection that we live a very imperfect world. If there is a multiverse with universes of varying degrees of perfection then we'd likely not be anywhere near the top. If we assume that there is a multiverse then if one were to take out the imperfect ones then most of the possibilities would not exist. And yes, the choices one could make would be very limiting to us because there's not any alternatives to an ideal choice or that there's multiple choices but each one is essentially meaningless in a way. That would be also because we need imperfection but in limited amounts, just enough so that we don't need to worry about failure to be perfect since complete perfection is unachievable so we needn't strive for it, but also varied degrees of imperfection so that one choice is better than the alternative and we thus have a reason to make the best decision we can. A perfect universe would be like the town in the movie Interstate 60 where there's a drug that makes you blissfully happy but you just end up craving the drug and don't have the freedom to feel happy as a result of good choices. I'm having trouble expressing an important thought but I'll give it a try: There is an importance of choice that exists due to the complexity of the outcomes due to compromise in a less than ideal universe, and that lack of ideality gives us a purpose beyond mere abstraction by giving us a sort of sensory and conscious quality that allows us a perspective that a more perfect one needn't have. I'm not sure that I phrased that well enough, and I suspect that it may be a very flawed idea even if phrased correctly.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 30, 2020 4:17:54 GMT
Okay, I read it over again. Is all you are saying is that the way reality is in this universe makes it more interesting than if we lived in a non-existent "perfect" world? And that if the world had came about in a different way, then this reality wouldn't exist? I would agree with that obviously. What would a perfect world even be? If we lived in this imaginary world wouldn't even know it was boring or that we were missing anything? It might be impossible that a world like that could even exist. Am I glad we don't live in a world like that? Yes, but only because it sounds very boring from the perception of someone living in a non-perfect world. If this is what you are talking about then you wrote it out way more complicated than it needed to be. You got most of it. As for the 'perfect world' I don't know for sure whether it exists or not. I do know, or at least assume through observation, that by the standards of perfection that we live a very imperfect world. If there is a multiverse with universes of varying degrees of perfection then we'd likely not be anywhere near the top. If we assume that there is a multiverse then if one were to take out the imperfect ones then most of the possibilities would not exist. And yes, the choices one could make would be very limiting to us because there's not any alternatives to an ideal choice or that there's multiple choices but each one is essentially meaningless in a way. That would be also because we need imperfection but in limited amounts, just enough so that we don't need to worry about failure to be perfect since complete perfection is unachievable so we needn't strive for it, but also varied degrees of imperfection so that one choice is better than the alternative and we thus have a reason to make the best decision we can. A perfect universe would be like the town in the movie Interstate 60 where there's a drug that makes you blissfully happy but you just end up craving the drug and don't have the freedom to feel happy as a result of good choices. I'm having trouble expressing an important thought but I'll give it a try: There is an importance of choice that exists due to the complexity of the outcomes due to compromise in a less than ideal universe, and that lack of ideality gives us a purpose beyond mere abstraction by giving us a sort of sensory and conscious quality that allows us a perspective that a more perfect one needn't have. I'm not sure that I phrased that well enough, and I suspect that it may be a very flawed idea even if phrased correctly. I understand all that. Meaning that after I figured out your initial point, the response above makes sense. The disconnect between me and you is that you find more meaning in it than I do. I often make bad choices, knowing they are bad choices and just not caring. There is of course reasons for why I do this, but I am not willing to get into that right now. I am hanging on to the little bit in this life that I give a shit about. Maybe I am off base here and this has nothing to do with what you are talking about.
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Post by gw on Nov 30, 2020 5:29:01 GMT
You got most of it. As for the 'perfect world' I don't know for sure whether it exists or not. I do know, or at least assume through observation, that by the standards of perfection that we live a very imperfect world. If there is a multiverse with universes of varying degrees of perfection then we'd likely not be anywhere near the top. If we assume that there is a multiverse then if one were to take out the imperfect ones then most of the possibilities would not exist. And yes, the choices one could make would be very limiting to us because there's not any alternatives to an ideal choice or that there's multiple choices but each one is essentially meaningless in a way. That would be also because we need imperfection but in limited amounts, just enough so that we don't need to worry about failure to be perfect since complete perfection is unachievable so we needn't strive for it, but also varied degrees of imperfection so that one choice is better than the alternative and we thus have a reason to make the best decision we can. A perfect universe would be like the town in the movie Interstate 60 where there's a drug that makes you blissfully happy but you just end up craving the drug and don't have the freedom to feel happy as a result of good choices. I'm having trouble expressing an important thought but I'll give it a try: There is an importance of choice that exists due to the complexity of the outcomes due to compromise in a less than ideal universe, and that lack of ideality gives us a purpose beyond mere abstraction by giving us a sort of sensory and conscious quality that allows us a perspective that a more perfect one needn't have. I'm not sure that I phrased that well enough, and I suspect that it may be a very flawed idea even if phrased correctly. I understand all that. Meaning that after I figured out your initial point, the response above makes sense. The disconnect between me and you is that you find more meaning in it than I do. I often make bad choices, knowing they are bad choices and just not caring. There is of course reasons for why I do this, but I am not willing to get into that right now. I am hanging on to the little bit in this life that I give a shit about. Maybe I am off base here and this has nothing to do with what you are talking about. My ideas are pretty general and every situation is different. I hope you find something else to care about.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 30, 2020 5:35:56 GMT
I understand all that. Meaning that after I figured out your initial point, the response above makes sense. The disconnect between me and you is that you find more meaning in it than I do. I often make bad choices, knowing they are bad choices and just not caring. There is of course reasons for why I do this, but I am not willing to get into that right now. I am hanging on to the little bit in this life that I give a shit about. Maybe I am off base here and this has nothing to do with what you are talking about. My ideas are pretty general and every situation is different. I hope you find something else to care about. It would seem that way. I appreciate the effort.
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Post by The Lost One on Nov 30, 2020 9:56:40 GMT
My view was based off of chromosomes and the ability to procreate. But you have chosen to define gender in that narrow way. There's no scientific evidence that obliges you to define it that way - it's a judgement call on your part. The ability to procreate is a bit problematic too. Plenty of people are born without the ability to procreate - what gender would they be?
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Post by Arlon10 on Nov 30, 2020 12:53:45 GMT
My view was based off of chromosomes and the ability to procreate. But you have chosen to define gender in that narrow way. There's no scientific evidence that obliges you to define it that way - it's a judgement call on your part. The ability to procreate is a bit problematic too. Plenty of people are born without the ability to procreate - what gender would they be? Biology deals in facts. Although psychology and elements of psychiatry are often considered "science" they can deal in far less readily measured parameters. Basing a definition of gender on biology is in fact a very scientific and practical way of doing things.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Nov 30, 2020 13:03:31 GMT
But you have chosen to define gender in that narrow way. There's no scientific evidence that obliges you to define it that way - it's a judgement call on your part. The ability to procreate is a bit problematic too. Plenty of people are born without the ability to procreate - what gender would they be? Biology deals in facts. Although psychology and elements of psychiatry are often considered "science" they can deal in far less readily measured parameters. Basing a definition of gender on biology is in fact a very scientific and practical way of doing things. gender /ˈdʒɛndə/ noun 1. either of the two sexes (male and female), especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones. The term is also used more broadly to denote a range of identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female. sex /sɛks/ ... 2. either of the two main categories (male and female) into which humans and most other living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions. "adults of both sexes"
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