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Post by HeCantStandStill on Nov 28, 2020 23:57:33 GMT
...some religious preachers claim that God came down and talked to them?
If a homeless person went on TV and claimed the voices in his head said they were God everyone would think the homeless person was either on drugs or suffering from a mental illness.
Yet if a wanabe preacher says it, people think it's Gospel?
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Post by goz on Nov 29, 2020 0:07:06 GMT
It very much depends on God's accent as to his believability.
I thought everyone knew that!
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Post by Rodney Farber on Nov 29, 2020 14:54:07 GMT
...some religious preachers claim that God came down and talked to them? If a homeless person went on TV and claimed the voices in his head said they were God everyone would think the homeless person was either on drugs or suffering from a mental illness. Yet if a wanabe preacher says it, people think it's Gospel? Not only do they think it's Gospel, but people then throw money at the wannabe preacher. The preacher(s) have a better patter and delivery system. Maybe it's because they wear a suit and tie. "Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man really wanted to make a million dollars, he'd start his own religion." – L. Ron Hubbard
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Post by Arlon10 on Nov 29, 2020 18:51:19 GMT
...some religious preachers claim that God came down and talked to them? If a homeless person went on TV and claimed the voices in his head said they were God everyone would think the homeless person was either on drugs or suffering from a mental illness. Yet if a wanabe preacher says it, people think it's Gospel? Thanks for you comment. I find it ever fascinating what kids seven years old think about the world. I hope your cereal didn't soggy when you were on the computer. Did you know Art Linkletter had a special part of his TV show called "Kids Say the Darnedest Things"? You can still see those on the internet.
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Post by HeCantStandStill on Nov 29, 2020 19:33:09 GMT
...some religious preachers claim that God came down and talked to them? If a homeless person went on TV and claimed the voices in his head said they were God everyone would think the homeless person was either on drugs or suffering from a mental illness. Yet if a wanabe preacher says it, people think it's Gospel? Thanks for you comment. I find it ever fascinating what kids seven years old think about the world. I hope your cereal didn't soggy when you were on the computer. Did you know Art Linkletter had a special part of his TV show called "Kids Say the Darnedest Things"? You can still see those on the internet. Why do you think my comment is childish? I'm mere pointing out that some so called preachers allegedly hear voices in their head and think God is talking to them. Either they are making this story up or have some sort of mental illness.
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Post by Arlon10 on Nov 29, 2020 19:59:40 GMT
Thanks for you comment. I find it ever fascinating what kids seven years old think about the world. I hope your cereal didn't soggy when you were on the computer. Did you know Art Linkletter had a special part of his TV show called "Kids Say the Darnedest Things"? You can still see those on the internet. Why do you think my comment is childish? I'm mere pointing out that some so called preachers allegedly hear voices in their head and think God is talking to them. Either they are making this story up or have some sort of mental illness. Because you know about as much about it as a child. Of course it is true that there are some poorly schooled and undisciplined "preachers" out there in unaffiliated denominations that might know less about it than you do, but I personally doubt that. What exactly do you know about anything?
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Post by goz on Nov 29, 2020 20:32:49 GMT
Why do you think my comment is childish? I'm mere pointing out that some so called preachers allegedly hear voices in their head and think God is talking to them. Either they are making this story up or have some sort of mental illness. Because you know about as much about it as a child. Of course it is true that there are some poorly schooled and undisciplined "preachers" out there in unaffiliated denominations that might know less about it than you do, but I personally doubt that. What exactly do you know about anything? How sad that you realise so little about yourslef, that you even feel the need to put others down. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effectI call Mount Stupid, Planet Arlon. It is also sad that along with denigrating others you are completely unaware and not self aware....
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Post by Arlon10 on Nov 29, 2020 20:46:20 GMT
Because you know about as much about it as a child. Of course it is true that there are some poorly schooled and undisciplined "preachers" out there in unaffiliated denominations that might know less about it than you do, but I personally doubt that. What exactly do you know about anything? How sad that you realise so little about yourslef, that you even feel the need to put others down. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effectI call Mount Stupid, Planet Arlon. It is also sad that along with denigrating others you are completely unaware and not self aware.... That's not an argument.
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Post by goz on Nov 29, 2020 20:52:29 GMT
How sad that you realise so little about yourslef, that you even feel the need to put others down. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effectI call Mount Stupid, Planet Arlon. It is also sad that along with denigrating others you are completely unaware and not self aware.... That's not an argument. Neither is this.
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Post by Arlon10 on Nov 29, 2020 21:03:07 GMT
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Post by HeCantStandStill on Nov 29, 2020 21:33:44 GMT
Why do you think my comment is childish? I'm mere pointing out that some so called preachers allegedly hear voices in their head and think God is talking to them. Either they are making this story up or have some sort of mental illness. Because you know about as much about it as a child. Of course it is true that there are some poorly schooled and undisciplined "preachers" out there in unaffiliated denominations that might know less about it than you do, but I personally doubt that. What exactly do you know about anything? Ahhh muffin. Did I hurt your feelings? Is Arlon going to need a time out?
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Post by Archelaus on Nov 29, 2020 22:19:03 GMT
What made Jesus believable was that he astounded the crowds with his wisdom and knowledge of the scripture and displayed signs and wonders through miracles. It's not impossible that God could use a homeless man for his glory, but if he believes himself to be divine, then, yes, he is mentally ill.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Nov 29, 2020 22:54:17 GMT
What made Jesus believable was that he astounded the crowds with his wisdom and knowledge of the scripture and displayed signs and wonders through miracles. It's not impossible that God could use a homeless man for his glory, but if he believes himself to be divine, then, yes, he is mentally ill. It can be pointed out that it is precisely such claims that have made Jesus less believable to some. A miracle is, according to the philosopher Hume, a violation of natural law. According to Hume, the evidence in favour of a miracle, even when that is provided by the strongest possible testimony, will always be outweighed by the evidence for the law of nature which is supposed to have been violated. Oddly enough the miracles of JC were not reported by contemporaries, even Jewish writers at the time, and there is even a tradition of doubting them among some Christian thinkers and writers down the years.
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Post by Admin on Nov 29, 2020 23:14:07 GMT
...some religious preachers claim that God came down and talked to them? If a homeless person went on TV and claimed the voices in his head said they were God everyone would think the homeless person was either on drugs or suffering from a mental illness. Yet if a wanabe preacher says it, people think it's Gospel? My guess would be a general oversight of the part of the Bible that says "God is no respecter of persons." Even the Pope seems to ignore that.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Nov 29, 2020 23:21:42 GMT
I remember when Bush claimed he went into the Iraq War because God told him to. Replace "God" with "Thor" and you can see why that's batshit insane.
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Post by Archelaus on Nov 30, 2020 0:55:02 GMT
What made Jesus believable was that he astounded the crowds with his wisdom and knowledge of the scripture and displayed signs and wonders through miracles. It's not impossible that God could use a homeless man for his glory, but if he believes himself to be divine, then, yes, he is mentally ill. It can be pointed out that it is precisely such claims that have made Jesus less believable to some. A miracle is, according to the philosopher Hume, a violation of natural law. According to Hume, the evidence in favour of a miracle, even when that is provided by the strongest possible testimony, will always be outweighed by the evidence for the law of nature which is supposed to have been violated. Oddly enough the miracles of JC were not reported by contemporaries, even Jewish writers at the time, and there is even a tradition of doubting them among some Christian thinkers and writers down the years. And David Hume is absolutely right. A miracle is intended to transcend the rules of reality. Now, when you run into the matter of circumstantial evidence, then, it doesn't hold up. The Synoptic Gospels, at best, is a collection of testimonies written decades after the fact. Now, Christian thinking is very broad, but I'm not too dismayed that some past and present would dismiss the miracles as unreliable. They are missing what is an essential aspect of God's character. God creates reality and he can transcend reality whenever he wants.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Nov 30, 2020 1:01:48 GMT
It can be pointed out that it is precisely such claims that have made Jesus less believable to some. A miracle is, according to the philosopher Hume, a violation of natural law. According to Hume, the evidence in favour of a miracle, even when that is provided by the strongest possible testimony, will always be outweighed by the evidence for the law of nature which is supposed to have been violated. Oddly enough the miracles of JC were not reported by contemporaries, even Jewish writers at the time, and there is even a tradition of doubting them among some Christian thinkers and writers down the years. And David Hume is absolutely right. A miracle is intended to transcend the rules of reality. Now, when you run into the matter of circumstantial evidence, then, it doesn't hold up. The Synoptic Gospels, at best, is a collection of testimonies written decades after the fact. Now, Christian thinking is very broad, but I'm not too dismayed that some past and present would dismiss the miracles as unreliable. They are missing what is an essential aspect of God's character. God creates reality and he can transcend reality whenever he wants. I think you misunderstand Hume's point which is that the evidence for miracles happening at all is outweighed by the evidence for the laws of nature. To say that 'God is special and so can do anything' is not evidence of anything except credulity, although such an unverifiable statement will always make the existence of the magical believable to some.
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Post by Isapop on Nov 30, 2020 1:06:15 GMT
If a homeless person went on TV and claimed the voices in his head said they were God everyone would think the homeless person was either on drugs or suffering from a mental illness. God has spoken audibly to me and the reason I know it's God and not my mind playing tricks is because God has a better vocabulary than me and he used some words I don't know and I had to look them up later.
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Post by Arlon10 on Nov 30, 2020 1:06:59 GMT
What made Jesus believable was that he astounded the crowds with his wisdom and knowledge of the scripture and displayed signs and wonders through miracles. It's not impossible that God could use a homeless man for his glory, but if he believes himself to be divine, then, yes, he is mentally ill. I am not one myself, but there are plenty of "Pentecostals" out there running around loose. Do you think they should be locked up? I never met one who claimed to "be" any god, just claim to hear from one certain types of messages such as in the OP. I never met a homeless one though. Except for the hearing from a god thing they are normal people with normal lives.
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Post by Arlon10 on Nov 30, 2020 1:14:22 GMT
Because you know about as much about it as a child. Of course it is true that there are some poorly schooled and undisciplined "preachers" out there in unaffiliated denominations that might know less about it than you do, but I personally doubt that. What exactly do you know about anything? Ahhh muffin. Did I hurt your feelings? Is Arlon going to need a time out? I actually didn't have much to say anyway. You were the one trying to make some point, no? It might facilitate communication if I knew what you mean by "god." Here is a list of the things people often mean > Link.
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