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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Nov 30, 2020 20:30:41 GMT
Not here to argue some of the examples, but, it seems to me, that many many TV shows end poorly. Game of Thrones, Dexter, Sons of Anarchy, Lost. Even comedies, All in the Family, Happy Days, I Love Lucy, MASH. A lot of the comedies just run out of ideas (Lucy) of go to the well too often (All in the Family). It makes you admire shows that knew when to quit, even though there was few episodes, like The Honeymooners or Fawlty Towers. It just seems to me that the creators and writers "C'mon we did quality work here. Lets end this better."
Just an observation more than a question, I guess.
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Post by hi224 on Nov 30, 2020 20:46:37 GMT
Not here to argue some of the examples, but, it seems to me, that many many TV shows end poorly. Game of Thrones, Dexter, Sons of Anarchy, Lost. Even comedies, All in the Family, Happy Days, I Love Lucy, MASH. A lot of the comedies just run out of ideas (Lucy) of go to the well too often (All in the Family). It makes you admire shows that knew when to quit, even though there was few episodes, like The Honeymooners or Fawlty Towers. It just seems to me that the creators and writers "C'mon we did quality work here. Lets end this better."
Just an observation more than a question, I guess.
a number of reasons, writers going past the time of creativity, rushing to move onto another project, simply running out of all ideas, or perhaps never having an end goal within sight at all.
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Post by MCDemuth on Nov 30, 2020 21:16:06 GMT
I thought that MASH had a fantastic ending... And the War Ended... What else should it have been?
But, I can understand why many think it "ran out of ideas, and went to the well too often"... As much as I enjoy that 11 year series, it definitely recycled many earlier ideas...
And the continuity frequently went out the window, by having a show that ran longer than the actual war it referenced, which didn't help either. As I recall, that late series episode that took place over the course of one year, began with Potter standing there as Father Time saying goodbye to an old year, and that New Years Eve was long before Blake left.
On Star Trek Voyager, After seven years, Voyager came home... The End.
Isn't that was most of us expected? The onlything was, is that we just didn't know how that would happen.
Sadly, the reality is, it's hard to end most shows anyway...
Unless they all die, how does one want a show to end?... We usually want the characters to stay together and to keep going on, and so, that doesn't really end it, does it?
I don't find ENDINGS so bad, what I don't like is when a show gets cancelled, and there is no episode to wrap things up...
It sucks to watch a show for many years with many questions left unanswered... and then you think, why the fuck did I waste all that time watching it, for no payoff of anykind.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Nov 30, 2020 21:22:42 GMT
I thought that MASH had a fantastic ending... And the War Ended... What else should it have been? But, I can understand why many think it "ran out of ideas, and went to the well too often"... As much as I enjoy that 11 year series, it definitely recycled many earlier ideas... And the continuity frequently went out the window, by having a show that ran longer than the actual war it referenced, which didn't help either. As I recall, that late series episode that took place over the course of one year, began with Potter standing there as Father Time saying goodbye to an old year, and that New Years Eve was long before Blake left. On Star Trek Voyager, After seven years, Voyager came home... The End. Isn't that was most of us expected? The onlything was, is that we just didn't know how that would happen. Sadly, the reality is, it's hard to end most shows anyway... Unless they all die, how does one want a show to end?... We usually want the characters to stay together and to keep going on, and so, that doesn't really end it, does it? I don't find ENDINGS so bad, what I don't like is when a show gets cancelled, and there is no episode to wrap things up... It sucks to watch a show for many years with many questions left unanswered... and then you think, why the fuck did I waste all that time watching it, for no payoff of anykind. With MASH, it wasn't so much the ending but the last couple seasons. Less humor, Potter always yelling. Should have specified. It's not just the final episode but the final season(s).
Never watched Voyager
And some shows ended well. Boston Legal, Hill Street Blues, Breaking Bad, The Wire.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Nov 30, 2020 22:56:00 GMT
Most TV shows I like had ok to fantastic endings
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Nov 30, 2020 23:51:46 GMT
Honestly i think very few tv shows have bad or awful endings, i also think very few have fantastic endings. Most of them have ok endings.
Personally i think the complaining about how tv shows ends is more about people being disappointed that the show did not end the way they wanted it to end.
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Post by 5hole on Dec 1, 2020 15:09:05 GMT
Very few things more overrated than series finales. I care much more about the follow-up season after a good first season.
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Post by DarkManX on Dec 1, 2020 21:41:42 GMT
The Voyager finale was awful. Yeah they make it back to earth, but then it just ends with no epilogue. It felt rushed and halfhearted, like the writers just didn't care anymore and wanted it to be over.
I think writers either a) don't care anymore by the time the finale hits or b) the series wasn't planned out.
Gimmicks are also a problem like ending the series on an ambiguous note or making it all just a dream or ending on a clip show or pointlessly killing off tons of characters. Ending on a cliffhanger is also a terrible idea.
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Post by Sarge on Dec 2, 2020 2:17:58 GMT
Maybe because people will gripe no matter how it ends, so they put in less effort.
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Post by novastar6 on Dec 2, 2020 2:21:11 GMT
SVU will never end well because it already should've been put out to pasture years ago. Even the mothership had a lackluster ending and they only lasted 20 years, they KNEW when to call that one quits.
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Post by jamesottosweetheart on Dec 2, 2020 18:53:47 GMT
The only shows that I know of that had sad endings was How I Met Your Mother and Roseanne's show.
God bless you and her always!!!
Holly
P.S. In a way the Full House ending was sad too because even though Michelle's memory returned, before she got it back, she asked about her mom.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Feb 16, 2021 4:19:29 GMT
Having to tie up loose ends for so many varied audience fandom angles is so impossible. Breaking Bad got it close to right, except everyone knew how that would end anyways - it was simpler than most ambitious shows.
GoT's finale proper needed another hour or so, & yet all the payoffs were spread over the entire season 8 - the fire ensemble at Winterfell, Jon's refusal to be king, Dani's fear that he would be a threat if not via those who preferred him, etc.
I think if ppl are watching show finales as some mini movie event, they're missing out.
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Post by Vits on Feb 16, 2021 12:36:18 GMT
In case you want to avoid spoilers: 02:17 ROSEANNE 03:04 SCRUBS 03:56 ONLY FOOLS AND HORSES 04:17 BREAKING BAD 04:39 HEROES 04:55 HAPPY DAYS/THE OFFICE 05:35 TINKER TAILOR SOLDIER SPY 06:04 TRUE DETECTIVE 06:34 LOST 07:49 HEROES again 08:20 FRASIER/THE OFFICE again/LOIS & CLARK: THE NEW ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN 09:04 THE SOPRANOS 09:36 OZ 10:55 DEADWOOD
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Post by jamesottosweetheart on Feb 16, 2021 15:40:15 GMT
The ending of Reba's show could've been better. To me, what made it sad was the fact that she was still alone even though we do see her date in seasons two, four, and five. I wish that the writers had gotten her with the preacher that she took Van to see in season five. At the end of that episode, we learn that he has an interest in her, but we never do see anything more concerning him after that.
God bless you and Reba always!!!
Holly
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Post by Eλευθερί on Feb 17, 2021 13:08:53 GMT
Not here to argue some of the examples, but, it seems to me, that many many TV shows end poorly. Game of Thrones, Dexter, Sons of Anarchy, Lost. Even comedies, All in the Family, Happy Days, I Love Lucy, MASH. A lot of the comedies just run out of ideas (Lucy) of go to the well too often (All in the Family). It makes you admire shows that knew when to quit, even though there was few episodes, like The Honeymooners or Fawlty Towers. It just seems to me that the creators and writers "C'mon we did quality work here. Lets end this better." Just an observation more than a question, I guess. With a lot of the most popular shows, the ingredients have changed a lot between when the shows were launched and when they ended. Often the actors are relatively unknown at the beginning, so they are very hungry and willing to put up with a lot to make their marks. By the end of the run, if it's been a hot show, the stars have made a lot of money and either just want a break or want to go on to newer, more interesting projects (movies, new tv shows), instead of continuing to play the same characters that they've probably grown tired of, especially if they feel the writing isn't at the same quality as when the show started, which is typically the case, and if they are being hounded by paparazzi. So they may not be working with the same intensity as when the show was still relatively new and hot. Consider Game of Thrones. Who'd ever heard of Emilia Clarke or Kit Harington before that show? By the final seasons, they were earning over $1 million per episode. By the time you can command fees like that, you are nowhere near as hungry as the fresh new kid who's trying to break into the business. The creator/original writer often runs out of ideas after the first couple of seasons, kind of like how some popular recording artists have a fantastic first few albums then seem to run out of ideas. The creator had probably had been thinking about the show elements for several years before the first season launched. By the time the show has reached the third or fourth season, they're still being expected to come up with ideas but have already used up their best stuff. And they hadn't been thinking about a long-term storyline because they had been putting everything into just getting the show started in the first place, which, in most cases of show proposals, never happens. In a lot of hit shows, the producers and financial backers have also brought in other writers to fill out the day-to-day episodes after the first season, people who may not have the same kind of creative energy and willingness to try new "risky" ideas as the original writer. (The money people hate risky.) So in a lot of popular shows, the quality dips when the original writer loses interest or moves on to other projects (Aaron Sorkin, The West Wing). Sometimes conflicts arise between the creator and the studio, the producers no longer want to pay what the creator thinks the show deserves, and the show gets cancelled earlier than the creator had anticipated (HBO's Carnivale). Remember, with most shows, for the people calling the shots about whether to continue to run a show or cancel it, at the end of the day it's all about making money, not about making art. So if a show is still in high demand and bringing in a lot more money than the costs of producing it, they are going to keep the show going even if the quality of the writing and/or acting have seriously declined and if the original writers and/or actors have departed. Of course, I am just speculating here since I don't work in entertainment. But I have heard or read some insiders saying some of these kinds of things over the years.
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Post by DarkManX on Feb 17, 2021 20:17:17 GMT
The problem with this is that too few of these actors actually go on to make it big afterward. It should be known by now that just because you were in a hugely famous TV show doesn’t guarantee you’ll be an A-List movie star when you decide to leave or when the show ends. It happens sometimes, but very rarely. All of them will make one movie right out that gate that gets attention and it’s usually all downhill afterward.
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