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Post by ArArArchStanton on May 9, 2017 2:59:10 GMT
Ok, I want to be clear. When I say "must watch", I'm not talking about a favorites list, but the movies that are most crucial to understanding the overarching plot of the first three phases and the MCU as a whole.
Iron Man - It's the first film and introduces the concept of the Avengers. First Avenger - The Tesseract (1) Avengers - Duh The Dark World - The Aether (2) Winter Soldier - The fall of Hydra Guardians - The Orb (3), the Nova Corps, and Thanos Age Of Ultron - The Mind Gem (4), Creation of Vision Civil War - The breakup of the team, Introduction of Black Panther & Spiderman Doctor Strange - The Eye of Agamotto (5) Ragnorak - Presumably Hela will be important and perhaps the introduction of the Soul Stone (6) Infinity War - Duh Avengers 4 - Duh
I think this is the list. Ragnorak could fall off if Hela does not turn out to be mistress death and the soul stone doesn't appear, and of course Ant Man & The Wasp, Black Panther, or Captain Marvel could jump on, but we haven't heard a lot about them yet that leads me to believe they'll change the overall narrative.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 3:09:04 GMT
You kinda need the first Thor film as well if you really want to understand Loki's stake in all this.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on May 9, 2017 3:12:21 GMT
You kinda need the first Thor film as well if you really want to understand Loki's stake in all this. I was thinking about that, but I'm not sure his motivation is necessarily critical. Imagine only watching Avengers you just know that Loki wants to invade Earth and Thor shows up to stop him. Does having seen Thor change that? You end up getting Loki's motivation in TDW when he's sentenced by Odin, and that's included on the list largely on the strength of the infinity stone. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 3:24:03 GMT
You're missing a big piece of the puzzle as to why Earth even matters to Thor and why Loki wants to be a king again so badly if you skip Thor.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on May 9, 2017 3:26:40 GMT
You're missing a big piece of the puzzle as to why Earth even matters to Thor and why Loki wants to be a king again so badly if you skip Thor. Hrmmmm. Ok, is there any other film you would make an argument for? |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 5:06:44 GMT
You're missing a big piece of the puzzle as to why Earth even matters to Thor and why Loki wants to be a king again so badly if you skip Thor. Ok I have to chip in here. Actually The Avengers was my first MCU movie to see. And I understood everything perfectly. Of course after watching the rest of phase 1 my understanding was bigger and more deeply but to me it wasnt necassary to catch the main story. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on May 9, 2017 5:16:25 GMT
You're missing a big piece of the puzzle as to why Earth even matters to Thor and why Loki wants to be a king again so badly if you skip Thor. Ok I have to chip in here. Actually The Avengers was my first MCU movie to see. And I understood everything perfectly. Of course after watching the rest of phase 1 my understanding was bigger and more deeply but to me it wasnt necassary to catch the main story. I find it very interesting to think about people who don't watch the entire thing. Obviously I can't replicate that experience, but I do wonder what each film would seem like if I hadn't seen anything else up until then. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 5:23:10 GMT
Ok I have to chip in here. Actually The Avengers was my first MCU movie to see. And I understood everything perfectly. Of course after watching the rest of phase 1 my understanding was bigger and more deeply but to me it wasnt necassary to catch the main story. I find it very interesting to think about people who don't watch the entire thing. Obviously I can't replicate that experience, but I do wonder what each film would seem like if I hadn't seen anything else up until then. I dont think thats possible anymore. Look at Civil War. If you saw that one without the rest it would make no sense. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on May 9, 2017 13:06:34 GMT
I find it very interesting to think about people who don't watch the entire thing. Obviously I can't replicate that experience, but I do wonder what each film would seem like if I hadn't seen anything else up until then. I dont think thats possible anymore. Look at Civil War. If you saw that one without the rest it would make no sense. I'd be interested to hear from somebody who saw it without watching anything else.
Can you name maybe the biggest 3 things that happen that you think would be confusing if you had never seen any other MCU film?
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 15:19:02 GMT
Ok, I want to be clear. When I say "must watch", I'm not talking about a favorites list, but the movies that are most crucial to understanding the overarching plot of the first three phases and the MCU as a whole.
Iron Man - It's the first film and introduces the concept of the Avengers. First Avenger - The Tesseract (1) Avengers - Duh The Dark World - The Aether (2) Winter Soldier - The fall of Hydra Guardians - The Orb (3), the Nova Corps, and Thanos Age Of Ultron - The Mind Gem (4), Creation of Vision Civil War - The breakup of the team, Introduction of Black Panther & Spiderman Doctor Strange - The Eye of Agamotto (5) Ragnorak - Presumably Hela will be important and perhaps the introduction of the Soul Stone (6) Infinity War - Duh Avengers 4 - Duh
I think this is the list. Ragnorak could fall off if Hela does not turn out to be mistress death and the soul stone doesn't appear, and of course Ant Man & The Wasp, Black Panther, or Captain Marvel could jump on, but we haven't heard a lot about them yet that leads me to believe they'll change the overall narrative.
What do you think? Actually if you don't know anything about this characters avengers would be a mess. Think about it. Why is that guy changing into a green monster, why is that one going around with a hammer? So in order to understand what is happening you must either 1- watch every movie (including origin ones) or 2- have some kind of previous knowledge of the characters, wich lets be honest everybody knows where they come from. You could argue you really don't have to know the backstory if you just accept the characters like for instance Darth Vader, but even he gets an explanation (fallen jedi etc) but not why he has the mask etc. You can get away with one or two major characters like that but not an ensemble. And I know of a lot of people, real people who, if not for the previous ones would feel lost in avengers. Not Fans not comic readers but normal, i don't care about super-heroes people that like MCU because of just that, they never feel that they have to know anything before seeing Iron-man (1 and 2), thor, first avenger or Incredible Hulk, and if they feel lost seeing avengers they just have to pick up the one that tells them what happened to that character before the ensemble. Now if you are talking about people that already knows about where these people come from or generally accept things like super-heroes popping up without explanation point them in the direction of Justice league (jut kidding) i think the ones that reference Infinity stones\thanos are the way to go: Skip all the first ones, including first avenger and iron-man. The tesseract is explained in avengers and Cap and Iron-man are pretty much the same guys from the end of their solo movies, as are all the rest of the avengers. This movie begins with the basic story that everybody knows intact for each of the characters. So: Avengers Dark World Guardians Age of Ultron Doctor Strange |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 17:12:43 GMT
You're missing a big piece of the puzzle as to why Earth even matters to Thor and why Loki wants to be a king again so badly if you skip Thor. Ok I have to chip in here. Actually The Avengers was my first MCU movie to see. And I understood everything perfectly. Of course after watching the rest of phase 1 my understanding was bigger and more deeply but to me it wasnt necassary to catch the main story. Same here! Although I did see Iron Man 1-2 first, but I saw Avengers before Cap and Thor and wasn't lost. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 17:25:11 GMT
I dont think thats possible anymore. Look at Civil War. If you saw that one without the rest it would make no sense. I'd be interested to hear from somebody who saw it without watching anything else.
Can you name maybe the biggest 3 things that happen that you think would be confusing if you had never seen any other MCU film?
Ok here are my thoughts 1. The Bucky-Steve relationship. Thats a real big one. Without the history build up in First Avenger and Winter Soldier Steve chosing Bucky's side would make no sense because why would he turn his back on the Avengers? 2. There are a lot of references to the internal relationships of the Avengers with the main one being of course the Steve vs Tony relationship. They really dont like each other. Why can only be truly understood if you daw earlier movies. They build this up already from phase one in the individual movies. There is a history 3. Where is Zemo coming from? Age of Ultron is a major set up and key movie for all that is going on in Civil War. You will be aware something happened in Sokovia what affected Zemo. You may catch the fact its on Tony's head and that is why Tony is so strongly for the accords and why Zemo hates the Avengers so much but its never really made clear. Not in so many words. Actually I could experiment. My sister joined us to GotG Vol.2 but she never saw any other MCU movie beside the original GotG. I could ask her to watch Civil War without any other movie and see what she says. Interesting... |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 9, 2017 18:10:53 GMT
You need basically all of phase one and then each Avengers movie and everything with Cap.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on May 9, 2017 23:57:25 GMT
Actually if you don't know anything about this characters avengers would be a mess. Think about it. Why is that guy changing into a green monster, why is that one going around with a hammer? So in order to understand what is happening you must either 1- watch every movie (including origin ones) or 2- have some kind of previous knowledge of the characters, wich lets be honest everybody knows where they come from. You could argue you really don't have to know the backstory if you just accept the characters like for instance Darth Vader, but even he gets an explanation (fallen jedi etc) but not why he has the mask etc. You can get away with one or two major characters like that but not an ensemble. And I know of a lot of people, real people who, if not for the previous ones would feel lost in avengers. Not Fans not comic readers but normal, i don't care about super-heroes people that like MCU because of just that, they never feel that they have to know anything before seeing Iron-man (1 and 2), thor, first avenger or Incredible Hulk, and if they feel lost seeing avengers they just have to pick up the one that tells them what happened to that character before the ensemble. Now if you are talking about people that already knows about where these people come from or generally accept things like super-heroes popping up without explanation point them in the direction of Justice league (jut kidding) i think the ones that reference Infinity stones\thanos are the way to go: Skip all the first ones, including first avenger and iron-man. The tesseract is explained in avengers and Cap and Iron-man are pretty much the same guys from the end of their solo movies, as are all the rest of the avengers. This movie begins with the basic story that everybody knows intact for each of the characters. So: Avengers Dark World Guardians Age of Ultron Doctor Strange I hear you, but surely there were a lot of people who saw Avengers without seeing any of the solos, or maybe just one or two. But I don't recall any complaint that Avengers seemed like a mess without having seen the previous films. In fact I thought there was a lot of praise that it was still accessible without having seen any of the others. Maybe I'm wrong, IDK. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on May 10, 2017 0:03:25 GMT
I'd be interested to hear from somebody who saw it without watching anything else.
Can you name maybe the biggest 3 things that happen that you think would be confusing if you had never seen any other MCU film?
Ok here are my thoughts 1. The Bucky-Steve relationship. Thats a real big one. Without the history build up in First Avenger and Winter Soldier Steve chosing Bucky's side would make no sense because why would he turn his back on the Avengers? 2. There are a lot of references to the internal relationships of the Avengers with the main one being of course the Steve vs Tony relationship. They really dont like each other. Why can only be truly understood if you daw earlier movies. They build this up already from phase one in the individual movies. There is a history 3. Where is Zemo coming from? Age of Ultron is a major set up and key movie for all that is going on in Civil War. You will be aware something happened in Sokovia what affected Zemo. You may catch the fact its on Tony's head and that is why Tony is so strongly for the accords and why Zemo hates the Avengers so much but its never really made clear. Not in so many words. Actually I could experiment. My sister joined us to GotG Vol.2 but she never saw any other MCU movie beside the original GotG. I could ask her to watch Civil War without any other movie and see what she says. Interesting... Bucky-Steve is big, especially in guiding the events of Civil War. Although I do have TWS on my list and I think they do a good enough job there of defining who Bucky is to Steve without having seen TFA. But maybe not. You could be onto something there.
As far as Zemo's motivation, I do have AOU on my list of must watch films, so that's all included too.
YES. Have your sister watch Civil War. I'd love to hear her thoughts on what's happening. How many questions she asks you during the film, etc. In fact, don't answer anything for her until she's seen the entire thing. Find out if she's confused at the end. I love this idea.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 1:01:34 GMT
Actually if you don't know anything about this characters avengers would be a mess. Think about it. Why is that guy changing into a green monster, why is that one going around with a hammer? So in order to understand what is happening you must either 1- watch every movie (including origin ones) or 2- have some kind of previous knowledge of the characters, wich lets be honest everybody knows where they come from. You could argue you really don't have to know the backstory if you just accept the characters like for instance Darth Vader, but even he gets an explanation (fallen jedi etc) but not why he has the mask etc. You can get away with one or two major characters like that but not an ensemble. And I know of a lot of people, real people who, if not for the previous ones would feel lost in avengers. Not Fans not comic readers but normal, i don't care about super-heroes people that like MCU because of just that, they never feel that they have to know anything before seeing Iron-man (1 and 2), thor, first avenger or Incredible Hulk, and if they feel lost seeing avengers they just have to pick up the one that tells them what happened to that character before the ensemble. Now if you are talking about people that already knows about where these people come from or generally accept things like super-heroes popping up without explanation point them in the direction of Justice league (jut kidding) i think the ones that reference Infinity stones\thanos are the way to go: Skip all the first ones, including first avenger and iron-man. The tesseract is explained in avengers and Cap and Iron-man are pretty much the same guys from the end of their solo movies, as are all the rest of the avengers. This movie begins with the basic story that everybody knows intact for each of the characters. So: Avengers Dark World Guardians Age of Ultron Doctor Strange I hear you, but surely there were a lot of people who saw Avengers without seeing any of the solos, or maybe just one or two. But I don't recall any complaint that Avengers seemed like a mess without having seen the previous films. In fact I thought there was a lot of praise that it was still accessible without having seen any of the others. Maybe I'm wrong, IDK. Oh, I agree you don't have to see the movies but, like I said, I don't know anyone that doesn't have at least a basic grasp of the characters or seen one or two of the previous. Hulk and cap are known and you can fill the blanks on Thor (Wich even if you don't know the superhero at least know the Viking God) and iron-man is the least known. Hawkeye and black widow are presented in avengers even if it's not the debut. What I'm saying is a person that doesn't have any of this knowledge. Maybe is moot as like I said I don't know anyone like that, but still what would that person think of it, and like I said I can think of several that probably would have a hard time Maybe we don't really give credit to the capacity of people to adapt and accept good stories even without previous knowledge, but if so, and marvel has great stories, then anybody can enjoy and understand any of the movies with only what is given, thus the choices I made. Minimal ones that focus on the endgame that is the stones and Thanos. But hey these are just theories right, just to have some fun. |
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