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Post by Rodney Farber on Dec 1, 2020 19:11:36 GMT
From a 2018 Pennsylvania Grand Jury report (reported by CBS & Fox News)
A Pennsylvania priest, Thomas Scotek, raped a young girl, got her pregnant, and then that priest arrange for an abortion. The priest’s senior, Bishop James Timlin, expressed his feelings in a letter. The Bishop wrote, “This is a very difficult time in your life, and I realize how upset you are. I, too, share your grief.”
Except that the Bishop’s letter was not for the girl. The Bishop wrote that letter to the rapist.
When I googled the priest’s name, I came upon an interview where the priest still says Mass mornings in his room. WTF??? Here is a man of God who raped a minor over a four year period. He continued to act as a priest for two decades. He still considers himself a priest, just not an active priest. Skotek was never charged with a crime even though he never contested the abuse allegations. My question for all you Catholics out there: Is Jesus going to let this guy into Heaven?
Priests in the Catholic church have a get-out-of-jail card along with elders in the Jehovah Witness cult. In the case of the JW, the rape victim has two choices: continue the abuse or suffer the fate of an apostate.
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Post by rizdek on Dec 1, 2020 19:58:28 GMT
From a 2018 Pennsylvania Grand Jury report (reported by CBS & Fox News) A Pennsylvania priest, Thomas Scotek, raped a young girl, got her pregnant, and then that priest arrange for an abortion. The priest’s senior, Bishop James Timlin, expressed his feelings in a letter. The Bishop wrote, “This is a very difficult time in your life, and I realize how upset you are. I, too, share your grief.” Except that the Bishop’s letter was not for the girl. The Bishop wrote that letter to the rapist. When I googled the priest’s name, I came upon an interview where the priest still says Mass mornings in his room. WTF??? Here is a man of God who raped a minor over a four year period. He continued to act as a priest for two decades. He still considers himself a priest, just not an active priest. Skotek was never charged with a crime even though he never contested the abuse allegations. My question for all you Catholics out there: Is Jesus going to let this guy into Heaven? Priests in the Catholic church have a get-out-of-jail card along with elders in the Jehovah Witness cult. In the case of the JW, the rape victim has two choices: continue the abuse or suffer the fate of an apostate. IF he accepts Christ as his savior, is redeemed and and has received the gift of eternal life, the Christian doctrine pretty much guarantees the guy will enter into the kingdom of heaven or the kingdom of God. Since Christianity says Jesus died for the sins of mankind....ALL sins for ALL mankind and his blood washes away all sins, then that sin...his rape of that girl... has already been punished and the priest need not be punished for it.
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Post by Rodney Farber on Dec 1, 2020 20:22:36 GMT
IF he accepts Christ as his savior, is redeemed and and has received the gift of eternal life, the Christian doctrine pretty much guarantees the guy will enter into the kingdom of heaven or the kingdom of God. Since Christianity says Jesus died for the sins of mankind....ALL sins for ALL mankind and his blood washes away all sins, then that sin...his rape of that girl... has already been punished and the priest need not be punished for it. I's sure he thought he had entered the kingdom of Heaven when he placed his erect penis in the vagina of that 13 year old girl.
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Post by maya55555 on Dec 1, 2020 23:30:21 GMT
From a 2018 Pennsylvania Grand Jury report (reported by CBS & Fox News) A Pennsylvania priest, Thomas Scotek, raped a young girl, got her pregnant, and then that priest arrange for an abortion. The priest’s senior, Bishop James Timlin, expressed his feelings in a letter. The Bishop wrote, “This is a very difficult time in your life, and I realize how upset you are. I, too, share your grief.” Except that the Bishop’s letter was not for the girl. The Bishop wrote that letter to the rapist. When I googled the priest’s name, I came upon an interview where the priest still says Mass mornings in his room. WTF??? Here is a man of God who raped a minor over a four year period. He continued to act as a priest for two decades. He still considers himself a priest, just not an active priest. Skotek was never charged with a crime even though he never contested the abuse allegations. My question for all you Catholics out there: Is Jesus going to let this guy into Heaven? Priests in the Catholic church have a get-out-of-jail card along with elders in the Jehovah Witness cult. In the case of the JW, the rape victim has two choices: continue the abuse or suffer the fate of an apostate. IF he accepts Christ as his savior, is redeemed and and has received the gift of eternal life, the Christian doctrine pretty much guarantees the guy will enter into the kingdom of heaven or the kingdom of God. Since Christianity says Jesus died for the sins of mankind....ALL sins for ALL mankind and his blood washes away all sins, then that sin...his rape of that girl... has already been punished and the priest need not be punished for it. Not true, by Catholic teachings. That "get out jail free card" is a Protestant notion. SHAME ON THAT BISHOP. The Roman Catholic Church is waking up and taking back its Church.
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Post by rizdek on Dec 2, 2020 11:21:01 GMT
IF he accepts Christ as his savior, is redeemed and and has received the gift of eternal life, the Christian doctrine pretty much guarantees the guy will enter into the kingdom of heaven or the kingdom of God. Since Christianity says Jesus died for the sins of mankind....ALL sins for ALL mankind and his blood washes away all sins, then that sin...his rape of that girl... has already been punished and the priest need not be punished for it. Not true, by Catholic teachings. That "get out jail free card" is a Protestant notion. SHAME ON THAT BISHOP. The Roman Catholic Church is waking up and taking back its Church. I admit I know little of the RCC doctrine. But...are you saying Catholics don't believe God can be forgive sin(s) and that folks who commit dreadful sins sins can never be redeemed? IOW, do Catholics believe there are some sins that are so bad...like doing what this priest did...that God simply would never forgive and accept them if they repented and accepted Christ's gift of salvation?
Is this site wrong?
uscatholic.org/articles/201708/can-every-sin-be-forgiven/#:~:text=The%20Catholic%20Church%20teaches%20explicitly%20that%20there%20is,do%20evil.%20However%2C%20humans%20also%20have%20free%20will.
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Post by Rodney Farber on Dec 2, 2020 11:45:47 GMT
Not true, by Catholic teachings. That "get out jail free card" is a Protestant notion. SHAME ON THAT BISHOP. The Roman Catholic Church is waking up and taking back its Church. While not free, the RC church used to sell get-out-of-jail-for-a-donation in the form of an "Indulgence". Money talks; nobody walks.
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Post by kls on Dec 2, 2020 12:49:04 GMT
From a 2018 Pennsylvania Grand Jury report (reported by CBS & Fox News) A Pennsylvania priest, Thomas Scotek, raped a young girl, got her pregnant, and then that priest arrange for an abortion. The priest’s senior, Bishop James Timlin, expressed his feelings in a letter. The Bishop wrote, “This is a very difficult time in your life, and I realize how upset you are. I, too, share your grief.” Except that the Bishop’s letter was not for the girl. The Bishop wrote that letter to the rapist. When I googled the priest’s name, I came upon an interview where the priest still says Mass mornings in his room. WTF??? Here is a man of God who raped a minor over a four year period. He continued to act as a priest for two decades. He still considers himself a priest, just not an active priest. Skotek was never charged with a crime even though he never contested the abuse allegations. My question for all you Catholics out there: Is Jesus going to let this guy into Heaven? Priests in the Catholic church have a get-out-of-jail card along with elders in the Jehovah Witness cult. In the case of the JW, the rape victim has two choices: continue the abuse or suffer the fate of an apostate. Can't judge for Jesus, but if it was my choice I wouldn't be opening the pearly gates for him.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Dec 2, 2020 14:41:45 GMT
My question for all you Catholics out there: Is Jesus going to let this guy into Heaven?
No, because he isn’t a queer. He stuck his pee-pee into a vagina...doesn’t matter how old it is...and didn’t use a condom so that a baby could be made, so no violations in that department. That’s a plus. The girl aborted the baby herself. He might have paid for it, but she stuck her legs up: both times. She’s the murderer, not Father Scotek. Can’t blame him for any of that. Of course he wasn’t married to her, but the neither was the BVM when she knocked up. Overall, God’s go problems with him.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Dec 2, 2020 14:43:49 GMT
IF he accepts Christ as his savior, is redeemed and and has received the gift of eternal life, the Christian doctrine pretty much guarantees the guy will enter into the kingdom of heaven or the kingdom of God. Since Christianity says Jesus died for the sins of mankind....ALL sins for ALL mankind and his blood washes away all sins, then that sin...his rape of that girl... has already been punished and the priest need not be punished for it. I's sure he thought he had entered the kingdom of Heaven when he placed his erect penis in the vagina of that 13 year old girl. Catholics get a “get out of hell free” card every time they hit the box.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Dec 2, 2020 14:45:05 GMT
IF he accepts Christ as his savior, is redeemed and and has received the gift of eternal life, the Christian doctrine pretty much guarantees the guy will enter into the kingdom of heaven or the kingdom of God. Since Christianity says Jesus died for the sins of mankind....ALL sins for ALL mankind and his blood washes away all sins, then that sin...his rape of that girl... has already been punished and the priest need not be punished for it. Not true, by Catholic teachings. That "get out jail free card" is a Protestant notion. SHAME ON THAT BISHOP. The Roman Catholic Church is waking up and taking back its Church. What makes you think you lost it?
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Post by The Lost One on Dec 2, 2020 18:42:11 GMT
The Catholic Church teaches explicitly that there is no sin, no matter how serious, that cannot be forgiven Although the caveat is the sinner has to be genuinely repentant. Doesn't sound like this guy is. |
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Post by rizdek on Dec 3, 2020 1:25:53 GMT
The Catholic Church teaches explicitly that there is no sin, no matter how serious, that cannot be forgiven Although the caveat is the sinner has to be genuinely repentant. Doesn't sound like this guy is. At some point he could be. I think a lot of people just assume that the really bad people never ever feel bad and repent. But clearly the Christian doctrine teaches both that any sin, no matter how innocuous it seems to us humans, is just as bad as the most heinous vile sin as far as God is concerned, and that any and all can be redeemed. I understand there are stories of guards who tormented people in German concentration camps are thought to have "genuinely repented" and were presumed to have been redeemed.
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Post by gameboy on Dec 3, 2020 5:43:58 GMT
I would think the abortion would be more the issue for the Catholic Church than statutory rape.
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Post by The Lost One on Dec 3, 2020 9:35:31 GMT
But clearly the Christian doctrine teaches both that any sin, no matter how innocuous it seems to us humans, is just as bad as the most heinous vile sin as far as God is concernedI don't think that follows. Just because all sins are forgivable, doesn't mean they're equally forgivable. But is that so unreasonable? Consider parole hearings - whether the prisoner has repented and reformed his/her character is taken as a good reason to grant parole. I think most would agree with that stance. So why can't God decide that someone has reformed enough that they no longer merit eternal damnation? And don't forget, Catholics believe in purgatory so it's not like the sinners get off scot free. |
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Post by rizdek on Dec 3, 2020 12:39:10 GMT
But clearly the Christian doctrine teaches both that any sin, no matter how innocuous it seems to us humans, is just as bad as the most heinous vile sin as far as God is concernedI don't think that follows. Just because all sins are forgivable, doesn't mean they're equally forgivable. But is that so unreasonable? Consider parole hearings - whether the prisoner has repented and reformed his/her character is taken as a good reason to grant parole. I think most would agree with that stance. So why can't God decide that someone has reformed enough that they no longer merit eternal damnation? And don't forget, Catholics believe in purgatory so it's not like the sinners get off scot free. "I don't think that follows. Just because all sins are forgivable, doesn't mean they're equally forgivable."
Are you talking common sense here....or doctrine? Because as I understood it when I was involved, all sins are equally forgivable...well except for the 'unpardonable sin' but that had nothing to do with rape etc.
And I thought purgatory was for un-forgiven sins...not sins that had been forgiven. Is that not right? So if this guy's rape was forgiven, then he wouldn't suffer at all for what he did.
As to your last point, I was only responding to those who seemed to think this guy couldn't be forgiven per the RCC doctrine. I understand about the 'get out of jail free' card but take it that there are some who apparently believe in all this stuff yet somehow wish to hedge when to such heinous crimes of violence. It's, 'we know that someone like that reeeallllllyyyyy can't be sincere when they repent, so we just know that SOB is gonna burn.'
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Post by The Lost One on Dec 3, 2020 13:49:11 GMT
Because as I understood it when I was involved, all sins are equally forgivable...well except for the 'unpardonable sin' but that had nothing to do with rape etc. Well, yes, all have equal potential to be forgiven, but obviously it takes a much greater effort to repent of the bigger sins. Just saying sorry ain't going to cut it. No. This is what the Catholic church says on the matter: If they die truly repentant in charity before they have made satisfaction by worthy fruits of penance for (sins) committed and omitted, their souls are cleansed after death by purgatorical or purifying punishmentsSo you have to be repentant to get to purgatory but if you were not punished for your sins on Earth, then you are punished in Purgatory to cleanse you for Heaven. Well, I suppose people will have their own opinions, but the idea for Catholics is that only God can know for sure how repentant someone is.
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Post by politicidal on Dec 3, 2020 18:20:19 GMT
I'm not sure about getting into Heaven but I can imagine a few ways how he'll arrive at the entrance.
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Post by rizdek on Dec 3, 2020 21:03:06 GMT
Because as I understood it when I was involved, all sins are equally forgivable...well except for the 'unpardonable sin' but that had nothing to do with rape etc. Well, yes, all have equal potential to be forgiven, but obviously it takes a much greater effort to repent of the bigger sins. Just saying sorry ain't going to cut it. No. This is what the Catholic church says on the matter: If they die truly repentant in charity before they have made satisfaction by worthy fruits of penance for (sins) committed and omitted, their souls are cleansed after death by purgatorical or purifying punishmentsSo you have to be repentant to get to purgatory but if you were not punished for your sins on Earth, then you are punished in Purgatory to cleanse you for Heaven. Well, I suppose people will have their own opinions, but the idea for Catholics is that only God can know for sure how repentant someone is. What do Catholics consider 'punishment' on earth to entail...something meted out by others, or can it be just mental anguish over one's deeds?
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Post by goz on Dec 3, 2020 21:08:44 GMT
Well, yes, all have equal potential to be forgiven, but obviously it takes a much greater effort to repent of the bigger sins. Just saying sorry ain't going to cut it. No. This is what the Catholic church says on the matter: If they die truly repentant in charity before they have made satisfaction by worthy fruits of penance for (sins) committed and omitted, their souls are cleansed after death by purgatorical or purifying punishmentsSo you have to be repentant to get to purgatory but if you were not punished for your sins on Earth, then you are punished in Purgatory to cleanse you for Heaven. Well, I suppose people will have their own opinions, but the idea for Catholics is that only God can know for sure how repentant someone is. What do Catholics consider 'punishment' on earth to entail...something meted out by others, or can it be just mental anguish over one's deeds? I have heard they have these things that priests mete out for sinning and if you do them, like saying prayers over and over again etc.that you receive 'absolution'. Cool system. No wonder Catholic priests reoffend multiple times!
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Post by The Lost One on Dec 3, 2020 22:09:49 GMT
What do Catholics consider 'punishment' on earth to entail...something meted out by others, or can it be just mental anguish over one's deeds? I suppose that's for God to judge. |
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