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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 1, 2020 21:45:22 GMT
New countdown from Joe Posnarski on The Athletic. What the hell...
I'll keep the master list updated
100. Juan Gonzalez 99. Fred Lynn 98. Rocky Colavito 97. Albert Belles 96. Jimmy Sheckard 95. Quincy Troupe (Negro League C) 94. Fernando Valenzuela 93. Darrell Evans 92. Steve Garvey 91. Dave Parker 90. Frank Howard
89. Al Oliver
88. Willie Randolph
87. Lance Berkman
86. Paul Hines (1872-1891)
85. Ron Guidry
84. Wally Berger
83. Dwight Gooden
82. Elston Howard
81. Orel Hershiser 80. Will Clark
79. Urban Shocker
78. Jorge Posada
77. Pete Browning (OF 1882-94, the original "Louisville Slugger")
76. Bobby Bonds
75. Tim Hudson
74. Lefty O'Doul
73. Jimmy Wynn
72. John Olerud
71. Buddy Bell
70. Smoky Joe Wood T69. Omar Vizquel T69. Dave Conception T69. Bert Campaneris T69. Mark Belanger 68. Torii Hunter 67. Dan Quisenberry 66. Dick Lundy (negro League 1916-1937) 65. Charlie Keller 64. Andy Pettitte 63. Mark Buehrle 62. Pebbly Jack Glasscock 61. Roger Maris T60. Vern Stephens
T60. Nomar Garciaparra
59. Billy Pierce
58. Stan Hack
57. Grant "Home Run" Johnson (Negro League SS 1895-1914)
56. Wes Ferrell
55. Sal Bando
54. Maury Wills
53. Don Matingly
52. Willie Davis
51. Rick Reuschel 50. Bill Dahlen (SS, 1891 - 1911)
49. Bill Freehan
48. Bernie Williams
47. Sherry Magee
46. Jim Kaat
45. John Beckwith (Negro League 1916-1938)
44. Vada Pinson
43. Thurman Munson
42. Ted "Double Duty" Radcliffe
41. Bobby Abreu 40. Tommy John
39. Jeff Kent
38. Alejandro Oms (negro league 1917-35)
37. Ken Boyer
36. Dave Stieb
35. Tony Oliva
34. Kevin Brown
33. Graig Nettles
32. Rafael Palmeiro
31. Bret Saberhagen 30. Curt Schilling
29. Reggie Smith
28. Doc Adams 27. Johan Santana 26. David Cone
25T. Dusty Baker, Felipe Alou
24T. Sammy Sosa and Gary Sheffield
23. Fred McGriff.
22. Keith Hernandez
21. John Donaldson, another Negro Leaguer
20. Manny Ramirez
19. Todd Helton
18. Bobby Grich
17. Luis Tiant
16. Kenny Lofton
15. Andruw Jones & Jim Edmonds (defensive CF's)
14. Mark McGwire
13. Gil Hodges
12. Joe Jackson 11. Dale Murphy
10. Dwight Evans
9. Pete Rose 8. Curt Flood
7. Dick Allen
6. Lou Whitaker
5. Scott Rolen 4. Roger Clemens 3. Barry Lamar Bonds 2. Buck O'Neil 1. Minnie Minoso
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Dec 1, 2020 22:06:49 GMT
New countdown from Joe Posnarski on The Athletic. What the hell...
100. Juan Gonzalez 99. Fred Lynn 98. Rocky Colavito 97. Albert Belles 96. Jimmy Sheckard 95. Quincy Troupe (Negro League C) 94. Fernando Valenzuela 93. Darrell Evans 92. Steve Garvey 91. Dave Parker
I'll update as he goes along
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 1, 2020 22:13:46 GMT
Barry Bonds
Mark McGwire
Sammy Sosa
Roger Clemens
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Post by NJtoTX on Dec 1, 2020 22:17:38 GMT
Barry Bonds Mark McGwire Sammy Sosa Roger Clemens You think McGwire is better than Charlie Hustle?
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 1, 2020 22:18:43 GMT
Barry Bonds Mark McGwire Sammy Sosa Roger Clemens You think McGwire is better than Charlie Hustle? Absolutely
Pete Rose was a slap hitter
That being said - I still think he belongs in the Hall
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Post by twothousandonemark on Dec 1, 2020 22:41:26 GMT
New countdown from Joe Posnarski on The Athletic. What the hell...
100. Juan Gonzalez 99. Fred Lynn 98. Rocky Colavito 97. Albert Belles 96. Jimmy Sheckard 95. Quincy Troupe (Negro League C) 94. Fernando Valenzuela 93. Darrell Evans 92. Steve Garvey 91. Dave Parker
I'll update as he goes along
Fred Lynn gets my Harold Baines nomination.
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Post by NJtoTX on Dec 1, 2020 22:44:20 GMT
You think McGwire is better than Charlie Hustle? Absolutely Pete Rose was a slap hitter That being said - I still think he belongs in the Hall
Sosa made the playoffs only twice and got to the 2nd round once with a lower postseason OPS than Rose, who has 3 WS titles. Rose 79.7 WAR, McGwire 62.2, Sosa 58.6 Runs + RBI Rose 3,479, McGwire 2,581, Sosa 3,122 Total Bases Rose 5,752, McGwire 3,639, Sosa 4,704 Rose MVP, WS MVP, ROY, 17X all-star, Silver Slugger, 3X Batting title, 2 Gold gloves McGwire ROY, 12X all-star, 3X Silver Slugger, 1 Gold glove Sosa 7X all-star, MVP, 6X Silver Slugger
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 1, 2020 22:48:15 GMT
Absolutely Pete Rose was a slap hitter That being said - I still think he belongs in the Hall
Sosa made the playoffs only twice and got to the 2nd round once with a lower postseason OPS than Rose, who has 3 WS titles. Rose 79.7 WAR, McGwire 62.2, Sosa 58.6 Runs + RBI Rose 3,479, McGwire 2,581, Sosa 3,122 Total Bases Rose 5,752, McGwire 3,639, Sosa 4,704 Rose MVP, WS MVP, ROY, 17X all-star, Silver Slugger, 3X Batting title, 2 Gold gloves McGwire ROY, 12X all-star, 3X Silver Slugger, 1 Gold glove Sosa 7X all-star, MVP, 6X Silver Slugger Home Runs are more exciting than Singles
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Post by klawrencio79 on Dec 1, 2020 22:50:08 GMT
We should guess as to who the top 5 will be. I'd imagine Dale Murphy, Fred McGriff and Don Mattingly would be contenders.
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Post by millar70 on Dec 1, 2020 22:51:10 GMT
Sosa made the playoffs only twice and got to the 2nd round once with a lower postseason OPS than Rose, who has 3 WS titles. Rose 79.7 WAR, McGwire 62.2, Sosa 58.6 Runs + RBI Rose 3,479, McGwire 2,581, Sosa 3,122 Total Bases Rose 5,752, McGwire 3,639, Sosa 4,704 Rose MVP, WS MVP, ROY, 17X all-star, Silver Slugger, 3X Batting title, 2 Gold gloves McGwire ROY, 12X all-star, 3X Silver Slugger, 1 Gold glove Sosa 7X all-star, MVP, 6X Silver Slugger Home Runs are more exciting than Singles Pete Rose was MUCH MORE of an exciting player to watch than McGwire and Sosa ever were. |
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Post by SportsFan19 on Dec 1, 2020 22:53:55 GMT
We should guess as to who the top 5 will be. I'd imagine Dale Murphy, Fred McGriff and Don Mattingly would be contenders. Will Clark? Probably not top 5 though. Harold Ba... nevermind.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 1, 2020 22:55:48 GMT
Home Runs are more exciting than Singles Pete Rose was MUCH MORE of an exciting player to watch than McGwire and Sosa ever were. Legging out a single to 1st base - I guess that passed for excitement in the 70s
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Post by millar70 on Dec 1, 2020 22:55:53 GMT
Based on the last list from this guy that we discussed, I'm guessing the Top 10 will be at least 4 Negro League players, Crash Davis, Kelly Leak, Frodo from The Lord of the Rings, Bill Lee, and probably Fred McGriff.
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Post by millar70 on Dec 1, 2020 22:57:11 GMT
Pete Rose was MUCH MORE of an exciting player to watch than McGwire and Sosa ever were. Legging out a single to 1st base - I guess that passed for excitement in the 70s Spoken like someone who never watched baseball in the 70's. |
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Post by SportsFan19 on Dec 1, 2020 22:57:27 GMT
Josh Gibson
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Dec 1, 2020 23:10:01 GMT
Barry Bonds Mark McGwire Sammy Sosa Roger Clemens I’m not getting in a back and forth with you on this, you know my opinion on this, but of your list of disgraces, Sosa is the biggest disgrace. Not only was he a juicer, but he was caught using a corked bat. So he cheated in multiple ways. That jerk off shouldn’t even be allowed in Cooperstown’s parking lot let alone actually get elected. Of the rest, McGwire is what happens when Dave Kingman does roids, he wouldn’t be a HOFer even if he was clean. And Bonds and Clemens? Lols. |
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 1, 2020 23:14:02 GMT
Barry Bonds Mark McGwire Sammy Sosa Roger Clemens I’m not getting in a back and forth with you on this, you know my opinion on this, but of your list of disgraces, Sosa is the biggest disgrace. Not only was he a juicer, but he was caught using a corked bat. So he cheated in multiple ways. That jerk off shouldn’t even be allowed in Cooperstown’s parking lot let alone actually get elected. Of the rest, McGwire is what happens when Dave Kingman does roids, he wouldn’t be a HOFer even if he was clean. And Bonds and Clemens? Lols. Interesting
So should George Brett not be allowed in the HOF?
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Dec 1, 2020 23:16:22 GMT
I’m not getting in a back and forth with you on this, you know my opinion on this, but of your list of disgraces, Sosa is the biggest disgrace. Not only was he a juicer, but he was caught using a corked bat. So he cheated in multiple ways. That jerk off shouldn’t even be allowed in Cooperstown’s parking lot let alone actually get elected. Of the rest, McGwire is what happens when Dave Kingman does roids, he wouldn’t be a HOFer even if he was clean. And Bonds and Clemens? Lols. Interesting
So should George Brett not be allowed in the HOF?
Your argument is pine tar? Give us a break. |
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 1, 2020 23:17:47 GMT
Interesting
So should George Brett not be allowed in the HOF?
Your argument is pine tar? Give us a break. Ohhhhh
I see
So different levels of cheating are acceptable and some aren't eh?
Must be so nice to sit on that throne of yours and pass down judgement 
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Post by tristramshandy on Dec 1, 2020 23:51:31 GMT
Pete Rose was MUCH MORE of an exciting player to watch than McGwire and Sosa ever were. Legging out a single to 1st base - I guess that passed for excitement in the 70s Sosa averaged a combined 29 doubles and triples per year. McGwire averaged 23. Rose averaged 40. I'd argue that doubles and triples are more exciting than home runs in many cases. The problem with baseball nowadays is that there are too few plays at bases.
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