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Post by twothousandonemark on Dec 3, 2020 0:22:38 GMT
90 - 81 90. Frank Howard 89. Al Oliver 88. Willie Randolph 87. Lance Berkman 86. Paul Hines (1872-1891) 85. Ron Guidry 84. Wally Berger 83. Dwight Gooden 82. Elston Howard 81. Orel Hershiser Zero. 
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Post by millar70 on Dec 3, 2020 2:10:25 GMT
New countdown from Joe Posnarski on The Athletic. What the hell...
I'll keep the master list updated
100. Juan Gonzalez 99. Fred Lynn 98. Rocky Colavito 97. Albert Belles 96. Jimmy Sheckard 95. Quincy Troupe (Negro League C) 94. Fernando Valenzuela 93. Darrell Evans 92. Steve Garvey 91. Dave Parker 90. Frank Howard
89. Al Oliver
88. Willie Randolph
87. Lance Berkman
86. Paul Hines (1872-1891)
85. Ron Guidry
84. Wally Berger
83. Dwight Gooden
82. Elston Howard
81. Orel Hershiser
No.90-81 might be the perfect list of "great, but not Hall material" guys you could ask for, though I imagine I'll probably say that again here. Of the 10, the one guy I say might make the best case is Lance Berkman, sneakily better than you might think and a very good postseason player. But I don't think his stats are enough. I never saw Elston Howard play, I always thought he was already in the Hall. |
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 3, 2020 2:17:21 GMT
Just as a clarification, the article is not making a case for any of the 100 to be in, just a list of the best players not in Cooperstown
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 3, 2020 12:23:38 GMT
Cliff Lee
Doc Halladay
Jimmy Rollins
Chase Utley
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Dec 3, 2020 13:06:48 GMT
Cliff Lee Doc Halladay Jimmy Rollins Chase Utley Halladay IS in the Hall of Fame, genius. |
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 3, 2020 13:07:34 GMT
Cliff Lee Doc Halladay Jimmy Rollins Chase Utley Halladay IS in the Hall of Fame, genius. Well -
He shouldn't be
He should be in the Top 100 looking in
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Post by Toy-Cannon on Dec 4, 2020 7:27:51 GMT
Jimmy Wynn best be on the top half of this list.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 4, 2020 8:02:20 GMT
Jimmy Wynn best be on the top half of this list. Never heard of him. I wonder if he had a cool nickname?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2020 12:16:04 GMT
I care about the MLB HOF more than I honestly should. It in fact pisses my dad off when we talk about it.
That being said I doubt there are 5 players (non cheaters) on this list id vote for.
Imo Fred McGriff should be #1.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 4, 2020 15:56:38 GMT
80-71
80. Will Clark
79. Urban Shocker
78. Jorge Posada
77. Pete Browning (OF 1882-94, the original "Louisville Slugger")
76. Bobby Bonds
75. Tim Hudson (!)
74. Lefty O'Doul
73. Jimmy Wynn (for you, TC!)
72. John Olerud
71. Buddy Bell
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Post by millar70 on Dec 4, 2020 20:52:33 GMT
80-71 80. Will Clark 79. Urban Shocker 78. Jorge Posada 77. Pete Browning (OF 1882-94, the original "Louisville Slugger") 76. Bobby Bonds 75. Tim Hudson (!) 74. Lefty O'Doul 73. Jimmy Wynn (for you, TC!) 72. John Olerud 71. Buddy Bell Buddy Bell was NOT better than Will the Thrill, not in any lifetime. And I don't know who this Urban Shocker is, but I'm pretty sure he wasn't better than Will the Thrill either, in spite of his AWESOME name. |
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Post by ReyKahuka on Dec 4, 2020 20:55:13 GMT
80-71 80. Will Clark 79. Urban Shocker 78. Jorge Posada 77. Pete Browning (OF 1882-94, the original "Louisville Slugger") 76. Bobby Bonds 75. Tim Hudson (!) 74. Lefty O'Doul 73. Jimmy Wynn (for you, TC!) 72. John Olerud 71. Buddy Bell Buddy Bell was NOT better than Will the Thrill, not in any lifetime. And I don't know who this Urban Shocker is, but I'm pretty sure he wasn't better than Will the Thrill either, in spite of his AWESOME name. Urban Shocker sounds like a slang term that I'd be afraid to google.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Dec 4, 2020 20:58:00 GMT
Is he naming the players in order, meaning whoever is #1 is the single best player in baseball history that isn't in the HOF? Or is it just a list of the top 100 in no particular order?
If it's the former, I'll have to agree with millar up there re: Will Clark in relation to Buddy Bell.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 4, 2020 21:08:02 GMT
80-71 80. Will Clark 79. Urban Shocker 78. Jorge Posada 77. Pete Browning (OF 1882-94, the original "Louisville Slugger") 76. Bobby Bonds 75. Tim Hudson (!) 74. Lefty O'Doul 73. Jimmy Wynn (for you, TC!) 72. John Olerud 71. Buddy Bell Buddy Bell was NOT better than Will the Thrill, not in any lifetime. And I don't know who this Urban Shocker is, but I'm pretty sure he wasn't better than Will the Thrill either, in spite of his AWESOME name. Shocker (not that idiotic horror film) won 187 games. BUT, 126 of those wins came when he pitched for the St. Louis Browns! That's a feat. And, like Dizzy Dean, Herb Score, Smoky Joe Wood, he had a short career. 18-6 for the 1927 Yankees, died from a bum heart a year later. I read a pretty good book about him
Posnarski's argument for Buddy Bell is his defense. Bell was one of the best defensive 3b not named Robinson or Nettles. He was tho 3b what Aparicio was to SS and Mazeroski was to 2b. But I agree about Will da Thrill.
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Post by millar70 on Dec 4, 2020 21:09:51 GMT
Buddy Bell was NOT better than Will the Thrill, not in any lifetime. And I don't know who this Urban Shocker is, but I'm pretty sure he wasn't better than Will the Thrill either, in spite of his AWESOME name. Urban Shocker sounds like a slang term that I'd be afraid to google. I hear you. I feel that if I google his name, I will be inundated with ads for sexual performance enhancers or something. |
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 4, 2020 21:10:44 GMT
Is he naming the players in order, meaning whoever is #1 is the single best player in baseball history that isn't in the HOF? Or is it just a list of the top 100 in no particular order? If it's the former, I'll have to agree with millar up there re: Will Clark in relation to Buddy Bell. "This offseason, leading right up to the 2021 Baseball Hall of Fame announcement, we’re counting down the 100 greatest eligible players not in the Hall of Fame and ranking them in the order in which I would vote them in" - from the article header. Once again, this is Joe Posnarski's article. In his 60 greatest moments, he had Duane Kuiper's only HR at #2 and the end of A League of Their Own at #5. Lists like this are meant to be argued over and that's just what we are doing
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Post by tristramshandy on Dec 5, 2020 3:17:00 GMT
Love this line for Browning: “I can’t hit the ball,” he famously said, “until I hit the bottle.”
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Post by twothousandonemark on Dec 5, 2020 3:38:24 GMT
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 7, 2020 18:08:54 GMT
70-61
70. Smoky Joe Wood
T69. Omar Vizquel
T69. Dave Conception
T69. Bert Campaneris
T69. Mark Belanger
68. Torii Hunter
67. Dan Quisenberry
66. Dick Lundy (negro League 1916-1937)
65. Charlie Keller
64. Andy Pettitte
63. Mark Buehrle
62. Pebbly Jack Glasscock (heh heh I said...)
61. Roger Maris
The #69 are basically the same player, all glove. Should defensive whizzes go in? There's gobs of players who got in by their bat alone. And the short careers players, Smoky Joe, Quiz, King Kong Keller, Maris. And one of my favorite nicknames. Glasscock (heh heh heh heh) was a SS who used to pick he small stones out of the infield. I know fuck all about Dick Lundy.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Dec 7, 2020 18:18:18 GMT
70-61 70. Smoky Joe Wood T69. Omar Vizquel T69. Dave Conception T69. Bert Campaneris T69. Mark Belanger 68. Torii Hunter 67. Dan Quisenberry 66. Dick Lundy (negro League 1916-1937) 65. Charlie Keller 64. Andy Pettitte 63. Mark Buehrle 62. Pebbly Jack Glasscock (heh heh I said...) 61. Roger Maris The #69 are basically the same player, all glove. Should defensive whizzes go in? There's gobs of players who got in by their bat alone. And the short careers players, Smoky Joe, Quiz, King Kong Keller, Maris. And one of my favorite nicknames. Glasscock (heh heh heh heh) was a SS who used to pick he small stones out of the infield. I know fuck all about Dick Lundy. Roger Maris at 61, eh. I see what you did there.
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