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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Dec 7, 2020 18:27:29 GMT
70-61 70. Smoky Joe Wood T69. Omar Vizquel T69. Dave Conception T69. Bert Campaneris T69. Mark Belanger 68. Torii Hunter 67. Dan Quisenberry 66. Dick Lundy (negro League 1916-1937) 65. Charlie Keller 64. Andy Pettitte 63. Mark Buehrle 62. Pebbly Jack Glasscock (heh heh I said...) 61. Roger Maris The #69 are basically the same player, all glove. Should defensive whizzes go in? There's gobs of players who got in by their bat alone. And the short careers players, Smoky Joe, Quiz, King Kong Keller, Maris. And one of my favorite nicknames. Glasscock (heh heh heh heh) was a SS who used to pick he small stones out of the infield. I know fuck all about Dick Lundy. Quis was a dominating closer. Maybe not in the same way that Francisco Rodriguez or Gagne were but in an era that didn’t overvalue saves he racked up a good number of them. I always thought he should get in. |
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 7, 2020 18:37:43 GMT
70-61 70. Smoky Joe Wood T69. Omar Vizquel T69. Dave Conception T69. Bert Campaneris T69. Mark Belanger 68. Torii Hunter 67. Dan Quisenberry 66. Dick Lundy (negro League 1916-1937) 65. Charlie Keller 64. Andy Pettitte 63. Mark Buehrle 62. Pebbly Jack Glasscock (heh heh I said...) 61. Roger Maris The #69 are basically the same player, all glove. Should defensive whizzes go in? There's gobs of players who got in by their bat alone. And the short careers players, Smoky Joe, Quiz, King Kong Keller, Maris. And one of my favorite nicknames. Glasscock (heh heh heh heh) was a SS who used to pick he small stones out of the infield. I know fuck all about Dick Lundy. Roger Maris at 61, eh. I see what you did there. In my opinion, I wouldn't put Maris in the top 300. He had 2-3 good seasons. Two great seasons. aided by the ballpark. It's a shame he had a short career. Do we put in Denny McLain? Maris had 1,325 career hits. You just can't argue that.
By the numbers, Maris' numbers in 1960 were better than 1961. And Mantle had a much better year than Maris in 1961. Maris's only argument is 61.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 7, 2020 18:47:42 GMT
70-61 70. Smoky Joe Wood T69. Omar Vizquel T69. Dave Conception T69. Bert Campaneris T69. Mark Belanger 68. Torii Hunter 67. Dan Quisenberry 66. Dick Lundy (negro League 1916-1937) 65. Charlie Keller 64. Andy Pettitte 63. Mark Buehrle 62. Pebbly Jack Glasscock (heh heh I said...) 61. Roger Maris The #69 are basically the same player, all glove. Should defensive whizzes go in? There's gobs of players who got in by their bat alone. And the short careers players, Smoky Joe, Quiz, King Kong Keller, Maris. And one of my favorite nicknames. Glasscock (heh heh heh heh) was a SS who used to pick he small stones out of the infield. I know fuck all about Dick Lundy. Quis was a dominating closer. Maybe not in the same way that Francisco Rodriguez or Gagne were but in an era that didn’t overvalue saves he racked up a good number of them. I always thought he should get in. Maybe someone can job my memory (I drank a lot in the 80's). what happened to Quisenberry? His numbers went to hell from 1984 to 1986 and there doesn't seem to be much injury. His WHIP in 1984 was 1.028 in 1984. In 1985, 1.225. In 1986, 1.426. A WHIP of 1.426 is horrific for a closer. For every inning he pitched, he gave up 1 and a half baserunners (more, WHIP doesn't account for errors). For comparison, Mo Riviera never had a WHIP above 1.186 (as a closer). Quisenberry was 33 when the wheels fell off. Was it just are weariness. The downward spiral of the Royals?
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Post by twothousandonemark on Dec 7, 2020 19:15:07 GMT
70-61 70. Smoky Joe Wood T69. Omar Vizquel T69. Dave Conception T69. Bert Campaneris T69. Mark Belanger 68. Torii Hunter 67. Dan Quisenberry 66. Dick Lundy (negro League 1916-1937) 65. Charlie Keller 64. Andy Pettitte 63. Mark Buehrle 62. Pebbly Jack Glasscock (heh heh I said...) 61. Roger Maris 
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 7, 2020 19:27:22 GMT
70-61 70. Smoky Joe Wood T69. Omar Vizquel T69. Dave Conception T69. Bert Campaneris T69. Mark Belanger 68. Torii Hunter 67. Dan Quisenberry 66. Dick Lundy (negro League 1916-1937) 65. Charlie Keller 64. Andy Pettitte 63. Mark Buehrle 62. Pebbly Jack Glasscock (heh heh I said...) 61. Roger Maris Nope what?
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 8, 2020 18:54:16 GMT
60 - 51
T60. Vern Stephens
T60. Nomar Garciaparra
59. Billy Pierce
58. Stan Hack
57. Grant "Home Run" Johnson(Negro League SS)
56. Wes Ferrell
55. Sal Bando (My favorite player growing up, him and Joe Rudi)
54. Maury Wills
53. Don Mattingly
52. Willie Davis
51. Rick Reuschel
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Dec 8, 2020 18:55:36 GMT
60 - 51 T60. Vern Stephens T60. Nomar Garciaparra 59. Billy Pierce 58. Stan Hack 57. Grant "Home Run" Johnson(Negro League SS) 56. Wes Ferrell 55. Sal Bando (My favorite player growing up, him and Joe Rudi) 54. Maury Wills 53. Don Matingly 52. Willie Davis 51. Rick Reuschel One could make an argument for Mattingly. Not sure of anyone else in this grouping. |
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 8, 2020 19:07:28 GMT
60 - 51 T60. Vern Stephens T60. Nomar Garciaparra 59. Billy Pierce 58. Stan Hack 57. Grant "Home Run" Johnson(Negro League SS) 56. Wes Ferrell 55. Sal Bando (My favorite player growing up, him and Joe Rudi) 54. Maury Wills 53. Don Matingly 52. Willie Davis 51. Rick Reuschel One could make an argument for Mattingly. Not sure of anyone else in this grouping. I could make an argument for Stephens, Pierce and Wills also. But the argument is just 'there's worse players in the HOF" And the article isn't "These players deserve to be in". Just the best players no in.
Posnarski uses the players complete name. Maury Wills' whole name was Maurice Morning Wills. Wes Ferrell's middle name was "Cheek", Stan Hack's was "Camfield", Ron Guidry's was "Ames"
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Post by tristramshandy on Dec 8, 2020 19:11:27 GMT
70-61 70. Smoky Joe Wood T69. Omar Vizquel T69. Dave Conception T69. Bert Campaneris T69. Mark Belanger 68. Torii Hunter 67. Dan Quisenberry 66. Dick Lundy (negro League 1916-1937) 65. Charlie Keller 64. Andy Pettitte 63. Mark Buehrle 62. Pebbly Jack Glasscock (heh heh I said...) 61. Roger Maris The #69 are basically the same player, all glove. Should defensive whizzes go in? There's gobs of players who got in by their bat alone. And the short careers players, Smoky Joe, Quiz, King Kong Keller, Maris. And one of my favorite nicknames. Glasscock (heh heh heh heh) was a SS who used to pick he small stones out of the infield. I know fuck all about Dick Lundy. Absolutely not. Mark Belanger batted .228 for his career. He shouldn't be within 1000 places of this list.
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Post by millar70 on Dec 8, 2020 19:53:41 GMT
60 - 51 T60. Vern Stephens T60. Nomar Garciaparra 59. Billy Pierce 58. Stan Hack 57. Grant "Home Run" Johnson(Negro League SS) 56. Wes Ferrell 55. Sal Bando (My favorite player growing up, him and Joe Rudi) 54. Maury Wills 53. Don Mattingly 52. Willie Davis 51. Rick Reuschel Rick Reuschel? Ahead of Don Mattingly? Even someone who hates the Yankees as much as I do thinks that's kind of goofy. |
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Post by twothousandonemark on Dec 8, 2020 22:02:26 GMT
60 - 51 T60. Vern Stephens T60. Nomar Garciaparra 59. Billy Pierce 58. Stan Hack 57. Grant "Home Run" Johnson(Negro League SS) 56. Wes Ferrell 55. Sal Bando (My favorite player growing up, him and Joe Rudi) 54. Maury Wills 53. Don Mattingly 52. Willie Davis 51. Rick Reuschel  I nominate none of those either.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 9, 2020 19:46:33 GMT
50-41
50. Bill Dahlen (SS, 1891 - 1911)
49. Bill Freehan
48. Bernie Williams
47. Sherry Magee
46. Jim Kaat
45. John Beckwith (Negro League 1916-1938)
44. Vada Pinson
43. Thurman Munson
42. Ted "Double Duty" Radcliffe
41. Bobby Abreu
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 9, 2020 20:28:14 GMT
I love Bobby Abreu
Hit the first ever homer at CBP -
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Post by twothousandonemark on Dec 9, 2020 23:47:06 GMT
Thurman Munson is fine if the HOF voted him.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 10, 2020 17:11:49 GMT
40-31
40. Tommy John
39. Jeff Kent
38. Alejandro Oms (negro league 1917-35)
37. Ken Boyer
36. Dave Stieb
35. Tony Oliva
34. Kevin Brown
33. Graig Nettles
32. Rafael Palmeiro
31. Bret Saberhagen
Some familiar name, some not. First of the big time juicers. I've never heard of Alejandro Ohm
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Post by twothousandonemark on Dec 11, 2020 2:53:30 GMT
40-31 40. Tommy John 39. Jeff Kent 38. Alejandro Oms (negro league 1917-35) 37. Ken Boyer 36. Dave Stieb 35. Tony Oliva 34. Kevin Brown 33. Graig Nettles 32. Rafael Palmeiro 31. Bret Saberhagen Some familiar name, some not. First of the big time juicers. I've never heard of Alejandro Ohm Kent yes. Saberhagen had nice highs, yet needed more bulk numbers.
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Post by Rufus-T on Dec 14, 2020 5:25:31 GMT
This will be interesting list. I see they include players who most likely be in HOF, like Omar Vizquel. I assume no active players. I would say Pete Rose is probably the best. We'll see where he rank. Some name off the top of my head who are not in the list yet (at 31 so far), including Pete Rose
Pete Rose
A-Rod
Barry Bond
Roger Clemens
David Ortiz
Gil Hodges
Joe Jackson
Curt Schilling
Don Mattingly
Tod Helton
Roger Maris
Andruw Jones
Trevor Hoffman (listed with a bit reluctant, but he had tremendous #s)
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 14, 2020 5:36:33 GMT
This will be interesting list. I see they include players who most likely be in HOF, like Omar Vizquel. I assume no active players. I would say Pete Rose is probably the best. We'll see where he rank. Some name off the top of my head who are not in the list yet (at 31 so far), including Pete Rose Pete Rose A-Rod Barry Bond Roger Clemens David Ortiz Gil Hodges Joe Jackson Curt Schilling Don Mattingly Tod Helton Roger Maris Andruw Jones Trevor Hoffman (listed with a bit reluctant, but he had tremendous #s) My top three Barry Bonds Pete Rose Joseph Jefferson Jackson Maybe Alex Rodriguez Maris is already on the list |
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 14, 2020 22:00:33 GMT
I guess Joe is doing them one at a time now
#30 - Curt Schilling
#29 - Reggie Smith
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 14, 2020 22:23:02 GMT
Has there ever been a story of courage in sports to match that of Curt and his Bloody Sock?
What a warrior
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