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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 23, 2020 20:55:43 GMT
22. Keith Hernandez
If I knew he was going to do these one at a time, I wouldn't have started this...
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Post by klawrencio79 on Dec 23, 2020 20:56:23 GMT
22. Keith Hernandez If I knew he was going to do these one at a time, I wouldn't have started this... You're in it now dude. There's no turning back.
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Post by millar70 on Dec 23, 2020 23:04:04 GMT
22. Keith Hernandez If I knew he was going to do these one at a time, I wouldn't have started this... You're in it now dude. There's no turning back. Keith Hernandez?!? That son of a bitch spit at me after a Mets/Expos game at Shea back in 1985. I DESPISE Keith Hernandez....... |
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 23, 2020 23:15:30 GMT
You're in it now dude. There's no turning back. Keith Hernandez?!? That son of a bitch spit at me after a Mets/Expos game at Shea back in 1985. I DESPISE Keith Hernandez....... I'm sure Joe Posnarski figured that historical incident into his thinking but the other factors outweighed it. Hernandez probably would have been in the top 10
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Post by millar70 on Dec 23, 2020 23:20:36 GMT
Keith Hernandez?!? That son of a bitch spit at me after a Mets/Expos game at Shea back in 1985. I DESPISE Keith Hernandez....... I'm sure Joe Posnarski figured that historical incident into his thinking but the other factors outweighed it. Hernandez probably would have been in the top 10
He made a crucial error which led to a Mets loss, and as I was leaving I happened to walk right past him in the parking lot. I said "Nice game, pretty boy" and then suddenly was hit with a pretty large loogie. The nerve of some people. |
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 23, 2020 23:26:54 GMT
I'm sure Joe Posnarski figured that historical incident into his thinking but the other factors outweighed it. Hernandez probably would have been in the top 10
He made a crucial error which led to a Mets loss, and as I was leaving I happened to walk right past him in the parking lot. I said "Nice game, pretty boy" and then suddenly was hit with a pretty large loogie. The nerve of some people. Reggie Jackson called me a CS in old Memorial Stadium in Baltimore. In his last go around with Oakland, a bunch of kids were very respectfully asking for his autograph. Reg ran over, got withing arm reach and ran off laughing. I called him a washed up arrogant cunt. Mr October took umbrage and asked "Who do think you are, CS?". I think he wanted to do me physical harm but Ron Cey, the Penguin of all people, talked him out of it.
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Post by millar70 on Dec 23, 2020 23:57:40 GMT
He made a crucial error which led to a Mets loss, and as I was leaving I happened to walk right past him in the parking lot. I said "Nice game, pretty boy" and then suddenly was hit with a pretty large loogie. The nerve of some people. Reggie Jackson called me a CS in old Memorial Stadium in Baltimore. In his last go around with Oakland, a bunch of kids were very respectfully asking for his autograph. Reg ran over, got withing arm reach and ran off laughing. I called him a washed up arrogant cunt. Mr October took umbrage and asked "Who do think you are, CS?". I think he wanted to do me physical harm but Ron Cey, the Penguin of all people, talked him out of it.
That's a good story, puts my phony Keith Hernandez one to shame. For real, I did have Jack Clark glare directly at me as I was drunkenly mouthing off to him from the first base seats at Fenway. Trust me, a Jack Clark glare is serious shit. I shut up immediately. 😁 I said some dopey shit to Doug Flutie once at the Mohegan Sun casino in Connecticut. Truthfully, I'm lucky he didn't beat me up, or have somebody else do it. But he IS a real small guy, which is what I mentioned to him. 😁 |
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Post by klawrencio79 on Dec 24, 2020 2:58:15 GMT
He made a crucial error which led to a Mets loss, and as I was leaving I happened to walk right past him in the parking lot. I said "Nice game, pretty boy" and then suddenly was hit with a pretty large loogie. The nerve of some people. Reggie Jackson called me a CS in old Memorial Stadium in Baltimore. In his last go around with Oakland, a bunch of kids were very respectfully asking for his autograph. Reg ran over, got withing arm reach and ran off laughing. I called him a washed up arrogant cunt. Mr October took umbrage and asked "Who do think you are, CS?". I think he wanted to do me physical harm but Ron Cey, the Penguin of all people, talked him out of it.
Stupid Seth Lugo was rather discourteous to me during BP of the ill-fated 2016 Wild Card Game at Citi Field against the Giants. I was in the right field corner, one of my favorite spots because you can usually catch a bunch of guys hanging out and chat them up. So I'm there, a ball ends up in the corner and Lugo snags it. He's maybe 10 feet from me. I say hi to him, tell him that I was 37, a lifelong Mets fan, and had never caught a ball despite the hundreds of games I had been to, which was true at the time. He looks at me, audibly laughs and yells "haha dick!" and then fucking air mails the ball all the way into the upper deck, then laughs as he gallops away like a grinning dildo. He could have hit someone up there who wasn't looking! What a jerkoff. I have since caught a ball. Brad Boxburger tossed one my way the following year.
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Post by OrsonSwelles on Dec 24, 2020 2:59:46 GMT
I'm sure Joe Posnarski figured that historical incident into his thinking but the other factors outweighed it. Hernandez probably would have been in the top 10
He made a crucial error which led to a Mets loss, and as I was leaving I happened to walk right past him in the parking lot. I said "Nice game, pretty boy" and then suddenly was hit with a pretty large loogie. The nerve of some people. You sure you weren't heckling Roger McDowell in the bullpen?
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Post by twothousandonemark on Dec 24, 2020 3:54:47 GMT
23. Fred McGriff. Certainly in the nickname HOF Fred McGriff is a HOF'er & I do think the veterans will vote him in or whatever eventually.
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Post by millar70 on Dec 24, 2020 4:30:04 GMT
He made a crucial error which led to a Mets loss, and as I was leaving I happened to walk right past him in the parking lot. I said "Nice game, pretty boy" and then suddenly was hit with a pretty large loogie. The nerve of some people. You sure you weren't heckling Roger McDowell in the bullpen? Well, I did accidentally dump an entire beer over his head in the bullpen, now that you mention it. Why do you ask? |
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Post by OrsonSwelles on Dec 24, 2020 11:41:11 GMT
You sure you weren't heckling Roger McDowell in the bullpen? Well, I did accidentally dump an entire beer over his head in the bullpen, now that you mention it. Why do you ask? Saw a video of the incident you're talking about. Must've been one magic loogie to hit you from where Hernandez was. McDowell standing on the gravelly road had a better angle and seemed upset at you.
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Post by SportsFan19 on Dec 24, 2020 15:31:56 GMT
Reggie Jackson called me a CS in old Memorial Stadium in Baltimore. In his last go around with Oakland, a bunch of kids were very respectfully asking for his autograph. Reg ran over, got withing arm reach and ran off laughing. I called him a washed up arrogant cunt. Mr October took umbrage and asked "Who do think you are, CS?". I think he wanted to do me physical harm but Ron Cey, the Penguin of all people, talked him out of it.
That's a good story, puts my phony Keith Hernandez one to shame. For real, I did have Jack Clark glare directly at me as I was drunkenly mouthing off to him from the first base seats at Fenway. Trust me, a Jack Clark glare is serious shit. I shut up immediately. 😁 I said some dopey shit to Doug Flutie once at the Mohegan Sun casino in Connecticut. Truthfully, I'm lucky he didn't beat me up, or have somebody else do it. But he IS a real small guy, which is what I mentioned to him. 😁 I'm beginning to think you have a prejudice against form Cardinals first baseman.  Do you hate Matt Adams as well? Can you or TheGoodMan19 give me the skinny on Keith Hernandez? I know about the coke, and I think that's why the Cards shipped him out to NY. Jack Clark replaced him maybe? And they won a World Series in '87 on speed and defense (and without Clark they probably didn't have 100 team HR). However, people seem to have a really high opinion of him (or at least his playing ability). Yet offensively his numbers don't look THAT great. Maybe I'm too biased towards big power 1B of today? Was he just the asshole version of Mark Grace, before Mark Grace?
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Post by klawrencio79 on Dec 24, 2020 15:48:29 GMT
That's a good story, puts my phony Keith Hernandez one to shame. For real, I did have Jack Clark glare directly at me as I was drunkenly mouthing off to him from the first base seats at Fenway. Trust me, a Jack Clark glare is serious shit. I shut up immediately. 😁 I said some dopey shit to Doug Flutie once at the Mohegan Sun casino in Connecticut. Truthfully, I'm lucky he didn't beat me up, or have somebody else do it. But he IS a real small guy, which is what I mentioned to him. 😁 I'm beginning to think you have a prejudice against form Cardinals first baseman. Do you hate Matt Adams as well? Can you or TheGoodMan19 give me the skinny on Keith Hernandez? I know about the coke, and I think that's why the Cards shipped him out to NY. Jack Clark replaced him maybe? And they won a World Series in '87 on speed and defense (and without Clark they probably didn't have 100 team HR). However, people seem to have a really high opinion of him (or at least his playing ability). Yet offensively his numbers don't look THAT great. Maybe I'm too biased towards big power 1B of today? Was he just the asshole version of Mark Grace, before Mark Grace? Hernandez was definitely hot-headed and wasn't always loved by his teammates. Even still, he was a great player and one of the smartest players to play during his era. It's tough to look at his numbers in his vacuum and compare them to the next generation of slugging first basemen that succeeded him. Hernandez was routinely a .300 hitter, an on-base machine and had power but didn't swing for the fences because it wasn't his game. He also redefined his position from a defensive standpoint, although not to the fanfare of his teammate at shortstop.
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Post by millar70 on Dec 24, 2020 19:32:17 GMT
That's a good story, puts my phony Keith Hernandez one to shame. For real, I did have Jack Clark glare directly at me as I was drunkenly mouthing off to him from the first base seats at Fenway. Trust me, a Jack Clark glare is serious shit. I shut up immediately. 😁 I said some dopey shit to Doug Flutie once at the Mohegan Sun casino in Connecticut. Truthfully, I'm lucky he didn't beat me up, or have somebody else do it. But he IS a real small guy, which is what I mentioned to him. 😁 I'm beginning to think you have a prejudice against form Cardinals first baseman. Do you hate Matt Adams as well? Can you or TheGoodMan19 give me the skinny on Keith Hernandez? I know about the coke, and I think that's why the Cards shipped him out to NY. Jack Clark replaced him maybe? And they won a World Series in '87 on speed and defense (and without Clark they probably didn't have 100 team HR). However, people seem to have a really high opinion of him (or at least his playing ability). Yet offensively his numbers don't look THAT great. Maybe I'm too biased towards big power 1B of today? Was he just the asshole version of Mark Grace, before Mark Grace? I'm only doing a goof on an old Seinfeld episode. Keith Hernandez was a very good player, and most definitely one of the best defensive first baseman I've ever seen. He was a bit of a douche, though, and the coke stories aren't a joke. |
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Post by SportsFan19 on Dec 25, 2020 3:20:55 GMT
I'm beginning to think you have a prejudice against form Cardinals first baseman. Do you hate Matt Adams as well? Can you or TheGoodMan19 give me the skinny on Keith Hernandez? I know about the coke, and I think that's why the Cards shipped him out to NY. Jack Clark replaced him maybe? And they won a World Series in '87 on speed and defense (and without Clark they probably didn't have 100 team HR). However, people seem to have a really high opinion of him (or at least his playing ability). Yet offensively his numbers don't look THAT great. Maybe I'm too biased towards big power 1B of today? Was he just the asshole version of Mark Grace, before Mark Grace? Hernandez was definitely hot-headed and wasn't always loved by his teammates. Even still, he was a great player and one of the smartest players to play during his era. It's tough to look at his numbers in his vacuum and compare them to the next generation of slugging first basemen that succeeded him. Hernandez was routinely a .300 hitter, an on-base machine and had power but didn't swing for the fences because it wasn't his game. He also redefined his position from a defensive standpoint, although not to the fanfare of his teammate at shortstop. I saw he lead the league in doubles once or twice. Was his defense really in the realm of Ozzie Smith?
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jan 11, 2021 19:56:36 GMT
Been lax on this list because of the holidays and I'm not as excited over it as I thought it would be.
21. John Donaldson, another Negro Leaguer
20. Manny Ramirez
19. Todd Helton
18. Bobby Grich
17. Luis Tiant
16. Kenny Lofton
15. Andruw Jones & Jim Edmonds (defensive CF's)
14. Mark McGwire
13. Gil Hodges
12. Joe Jackson
Ok, Mr. Posnarski. Joseph Jefferson Jackson should be either #1 or #2. You can argue Bonds, but no one else. Yeah, Jackson did have an odd career arc in that he was out of the game while still in his prime. His career BA would have no been as high as .356 if he had had the down, older age years nearly every players has. But he was one of the 5-10 best hitter ever. And an incredible defensive RF. He could throw a ball from the CF wall in Comiskey to home plate from a standing position. What would his career number have been if he had been "Honest Joe" instead of "Shoeless Joe", tough to say. 1777 hits, .423 ob%, 202 sb's. He had one of his best season in 1920, .382 BA, 12 HR, 121 RBI's, at age 32. He could have had 4-6 more good years, but he was fragile, only played a near full season twice.
That being said, does he deserve to be in the Hall, fuck no. Don't give me the "Field of Dreams" bullshit abut his 1919 WS BA of .375. They were empty hits or in games that the fix might have been off, Games 6 and 7. Always cute to hear the Jackson apologists say "he had the only home run of the series. Whee, it was in Game 8, when the Black Sox were blatantly throwing the game. Jackson admitted to throwing the series. "I was promised $10,000 and given $5,000". That's enough for me. And being illiterate doesn't excuse him. I bet a lot of players at the time were illiterate. He knew what he was doing and what would happen if he got caught. Fuck him. I like what Bill James wrote. Sure, let Jackson in. After you let in all the honest players, from the superstars to the Moonlight Graham's of baseball. Let in all the honest GM's, umpires, coaches etc. Then let Jackson in.
Sorry, been fascinated with the Black Sox forever.
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Post by tristramshandy on Jan 11, 2021 20:04:17 GMT
McGwire can't be ahead of Manny.
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Post by millar70 on Jan 11, 2021 21:06:53 GMT
McGwire can't be ahead of Manny. I'm not sure what may happen today, but that will probably be the smartest thing I'll hear all day. |
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jan 11, 2021 21:16:53 GMT
McGwire can't be ahead of Manny. I just glanced over the articles, but Posnarski's main argument is that McGwire admitted to juicing and Manny hasn't. And Manny was "difficult". He didn't seem to be in his first few years with Boston. Yeah, there was incidents but that was a team of "idiots" so he fit right in.
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Do you hate Matt Adams as well? 