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Post by millar70 on Jan 11, 2021 21:20:10 GMT
McGwire can't be ahead of Manny. I just glanced over the articles, but Posnarski's main argument is that McGwire admitted to juicing and Manny hasn't. And Manny was "difficult". He didn't seem to be in his first few years with Boston. Yeah, there was incidents but that was a team of "idiots" so he fit right in.
Wouldn't it be nice if these things were based solely on what happens on the field of play, like it really should? Just call me a dreamer..... |
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jan 11, 2021 21:24:38 GMT
I just glanced over the articles, but Posnarski's main argument is that McGwire admitted to juicing and Manny hasn't. And Manny was "difficult". He didn't seem to be in his first few years with Boston. Yeah, there was incidents but that was a team of "idiots" so he fit right in.
Wouldn't it be nice if these things were based solely on what happens on the field of play, like it really should? Just call me a dreamer..... If it was just on the field, most of the ones coming up would be there. And no article.
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Post by OrsonSwelles on Jan 11, 2021 21:26:33 GMT
Another tie. So really the bottom 3 listed of Juan Gonzalez, Fred Lynn and Rocky Colavito aren't actually in his top 100.
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Post by tristramshandy on Jan 11, 2021 21:38:29 GMT
McGwire can't be ahead of Manny. I just glanced over the articles, but Posnarski's main argument is that McGwire admitted to juicing and Manny hasn't. And Manny was "difficult". He didn't seem to be in his first few years with Boston. Yeah, there was incidents but that was a team of "idiots" so he fit right in.
I will take difficulty to gain 900+ more hits, 400+ more RBI, 380+ more runs, and higher OBP and OPS.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jan 11, 2021 21:50:43 GMT
I just glanced over the articles, but Posnarski's main argument is that McGwire admitted to juicing and Manny hasn't. And Manny was "difficult". He didn't seem to be in his first few years with Boston. Yeah, there was incidents but that was a team of "idiots" so he fit right in.
I will take difficulty to gain 900+ more hits, 400+ more RBI, 380+ more runs, and higher OBP and OPS. I don't agree with a lot of this either. I'm just sharing because I think I'm the only one here who subscribes to The Athletic (it really is worth it). This list is better than his Best Baseball Moments.
And, like I said, Jackson, with on field alone, is no lower than #2.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jan 11, 2021 22:59:24 GMT
Helton wouldn't bother me. Coors effect? So what. The Packers have had Lambeau effect for decades.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jan 12, 2021 0:16:38 GMT
Helton wouldn't bother me. Coors effect? So what. The Packers have had Lambeau effect for decades. Many Yankees benefited from the short RF porch. Dodgers and Astro pitchers were helped by playing in pitcher friendly parks.
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Jan 12, 2021 0:26:00 GMT
mark grace!
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jan 15, 2021 5:55:56 GMT
11. Dale Murphy
10. Dwight Evans
9. Pete Rose
As much as I hate him, I would have had Rose in the top 5, top 3 probably.
And, I'm sorry Joe, to think that Dewey Evans was better than Joe Jackson is asinine
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jan 19, 2021 19:30:05 GMT
A few more to go. Must finish
8. Curt Flood
7. Dick Allen
6. Lou Whitaker
If you use the "If Harold Baines is in..." argument, then yeah.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jan 19, 2021 19:32:26 GMT
A few more to go. Must finish 8. Curt Flood 7. Dick Allen 6. Lou Whitaker If you use the "If Harold Baines is in..." argument, then yeah. I know Flood was a wiz defensively. Too lazy to look up his batting statistics. |
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jan 19, 2021 20:15:20 GMT
A few more to go. Must finish 8. Curt Flood 7. Dick Allen 6. Lou Whitaker If you use the "If Harold Baines is in..." argument, then yeah. I know Flood was a wiz defensively. Too lazy to look up his batting statistics. If memory is right, he hit over .290 and had near 2000 hits. Still a good player when he was driven out of baseball in 1969. Unjustly blamed for the Cards losing the 1968 WS then ruined for challenging the Reserve Clause. He probably had another 5-6 good years in him.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jan 20, 2021 1:21:36 GMT
Dale Murphy sure.
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Post by Rufus-T on Jan 20, 2021 5:02:35 GMT
With 5 left, Rose is #9? I thought he would be at least in the top 5.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jan 20, 2021 9:14:48 GMT
With 5 left, Rose is #9? I thought he would be at least in the top 5. My top 3 was Rose, Joe Jackson and Bonds in reverse order |
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Post by Rufus-T on Jan 20, 2021 18:17:34 GMT
With 5 left, Rose is #9? I thought he would be at least in the top 5. My top 3 was Rose, Joe Jackson and Bonds in reverse order Bond is probably #1. Clemens should in there in the top 5. Who else? A-Rod. Does Ortiz count? He will be in the HOF eventually. That would be 4. Carlos Beltran or Adrian Beltre? I don't see them on the list yet, but I don't think they are top 5. I wouldn't pick either over Manny Ramirez. Giambino? Alfonso Soriano? Magglio Ordonez? or someone from the very old days?
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jan 20, 2021 19:11:32 GMT
My top 3 was Rose, Joe Jackson and Bonds in reverse order Bond is probably #1. Clemens should in there in the top 5. Who else? A-Rod. Does Ortiz count? He will be in the HOF eventually. That would be 4. Carlos Beltran or Adrian Beltre? I don't see them on the list yet, but I don't think they are top 5. I wouldn't pick either over Manny Ramirez. Giambino? Alfonso Soriano? Magglio Ordonez? or someone from the very old days? It’ll be some weird choice like Kelly Leak from the Bad News Bears or John Fogerty for singing “Centerfield.” |
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Post by Rufus-T on Jan 20, 2021 19:25:24 GMT
Bond is probably #1. Clemens should in there in the top 5. Who else? A-Rod. Does Ortiz count? He will be in the HOF eventually. That would be 4. Carlos Beltran or Adrian Beltre? I don't see them on the list yet, but I don't think they are top 5. I wouldn't pick either over Manny Ramirez. Giambino? Alfonso Soriano? Magglio Ordonez? or someone from the very old days? It’ll be some weird choice like Kelly Leak from the Bad News Bears or John Fogerty for singing “Centerfield.” Might as well give it to the Vanderbilt girl who punted the ball.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jan 20, 2021 20:04:19 GMT
Bond is probably #1. Clemens should in there in the top 5. Who else? A-Rod. Does Ortiz count? He will be in the HOF eventually. That would be 4. Carlos Beltran or Adrian Beltre? I don't see them on the list yet, but I don't think they are top 5. I wouldn't pick either over Manny Ramirez. Giambino? Alfonso Soriano? Magglio Ordonez? or someone from the very old days? It’ll be some weird choice like Kelly Leak from the Bad News Bears or John Fogerty for singing “Centerfield.” Could be. Remember the Top 100 Baseball Moments with the end of A league of Their Own ending at #5.
It certainly could be. Check out #5
Scott Rolen
The argument
51 players with a Wins Above Replacement above 70. All but four are in the HOF
Barry Bonds Pete Rose Rafael Palmeiro Scott Rolen
Really
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jan 20, 2021 20:13:50 GMT
It’ll be some weird choice like Kelly Leak from the Bad News Bears or John Fogerty for singing “Centerfield.” Could be. Remember the Top 100 Baseball Moments with the end of A league of Their Own ending at #5.
It certainly could be. Check out #5
Scott Rolen
The argument
51 players with a Wins Above Replacement above 70. All but four are in the HOF
Barry Bonds Pete Rose Rafael Palmeiro Scott Rolen
Really
In what universe is Scott Rolen a hall of famer? Today we got rid of one issue in the world, can we put Scott Rolen to bed? |
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