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Post by millar70 on Dec 1, 2020 23:52:11 GMT
Your argument is pine tar? Give us a break. Ohhhhh
I see
So different levels of cheating are acceptable and some aren't eh?
Must be so nice to sit on that throne of yours and pass down judgement  I like you so much better when you're talking sense, little buddy.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 2, 2020 0:00:52 GMT
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 2, 2020 0:02:15 GMT
#1 will probably be Bonds
Should be Joseph Jefferson Jackson.
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Dec 2, 2020 0:11:16 GMT
Boog Powell
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 2, 2020 1:24:08 GMT
We should guess as to who the top 5 will be. I'd imagine Dale Murphy, Fred McGriff and Don Mattingly would be contenders. The juicers and the cheaters
1. Barry Bonds 2. Roger Clemens 3. Joe Jackson 4. Pete Rose 5. Mark McGwire
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 2, 2020 1:28:31 GMT
New countdown from Joe Posnarski on The Athletic. What the hell...
100. Juan Gonzalez 99. Fred Lynn 98. Rocky Colavito 97. Albert Belles 96. Jimmy Sheckard 95. Quincy Troupe (Negro League C) 94. Fernando Valenzuela 93. Darrell Evans 92. Steve Garvey 91. Dave Parker
I'll update as he goes along
Not familiar with 95 or 96 but of the rest only Belle and Darrell Evans are remotely deserving. "Eh, who knows what to do with these guys from the late 19th century and early 20th century? Jimmy Sheckard was a standout player who got on base, stole bases, scored runs and played breathtaking left-field defense. Players marveled at how he handled the bat; his 286 career sacrifice hits ranks Top 15 all-time. The legendary sportswriter Ring Lardner once called him “the best outfielder I ever looked at.” But he got lost in the early Hall of Fame days when everyone was focused on the immortals and nobody ever really picked up his case after World War II. There are a couple of people now trying to revive his case."
"A switch-hitting catcher with power, Big Train was a lifetime .300 hitter in the Negro Leagues, all the while wowing observers with his defensive reflexes and strong arm. Famed for using the heaviest bat in baseball, he made it to the Major Leagues in 1952 at age 39. And then there is Quincy Trouppe, who played for almost three decades in the Negro Leagues, in Mexico, in Cuba and wherever else there was a job. Trouppe hit, walked, played great defense and could throw with anybody. He was so admired that Cleveland gave him a shot to play in the big leagues long after his reflexes had faded, this after he’d been in baseball for two decades. “He has much stuff up here,” his former teammate Minnie Miñoso said as he pointed to his head."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2020 1:36:12 GMT
We should guess as to who the top 5 will be. I'd imagine Dale Murphy, Fred McGriff and Don Mattingly would be contenders. Murphy and McGriff would be in mine. It will depend on how this list factors in roiders, Pete Rose, and Shoeless Joe. Assuming they (cheaters) don't make top five id go with these: Dale Murphy Don Mattingly Fred McGriff Thurmon Munson Jeff Kent
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Post by NJtoTX on Dec 2, 2020 1:42:24 GMT
Assuming they (cheaters) don't make top five id go with these: Dale Murphy Don Mattingly Fred McGriff Thurmon Munson Jeff Kent 4 Weddings and a Funeral
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Post by SportsFan19 on Dec 2, 2020 2:07:13 GMT
I should have checked that.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 2, 2020 2:14:59 GMT
Assuming they (cheaters) don't make top five id go with these: Dale Murphy Don Mattingly Fred McGriff Thurmon Munson Jeff Kent 4 Weddings and a Funeral The article says the best eligible players not already in. So I assume the Steroid Boys and the Black Sox are included
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Post by NJtoTX on Dec 2, 2020 2:16:38 GMT
The article says the best eligible players not already in. So I assume the Steroid Boys and the Black Sox are included Meh, I was just trying to come up with something for the M & M & M & M boys.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 2, 2020 2:59:13 GMT
The article says the best eligible players not already in. So I assume the Steroid Boys and the Black Sox are included Meh, I was just trying to come up with something for the M & M & M & M boys. Replied to the wrong post. Oop
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Post by twothousandonemark on Dec 2, 2020 4:29:15 GMT
Juan Gonzalez is a known juicer, there will be more listed.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 2, 2020 6:09:51 GMT
We should guess as to who the top 5 will be. I'd imagine Dale Murphy, Fred McGriff and Don Mattingly would be contenders. Murphy and McGriff would be in mine. It will depend on how this list factors in roiders, Pete Rose, and Shoeless Joe. Assuming they (cheaters) don't make top five id go with these: Dale Murphy Don Mattingly Fred McGriff Thurmon Munson Jeff Kent Three or four of the Black Sox might make the list. Jackson and Ciccote for sure. Buck Weaver and Hap Felsch are possibles. Hal Chase also. The 1877 Louisville Grays threw the pennant race and had two very good players, Jim Devlin and George Hall. One factor, Joe Posnarski does these lists his way. Remember the Top 100 moments in baseball history?
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Post by Toy-Cannon on Dec 2, 2020 6:39:17 GMT
I’m not getting in a back and forth with you on this, you know my opinion on this, but of your list of disgraces, Sosa is the biggest disgrace. Not only was he a juicer, but he was caught using a corked bat. So he cheated in multiple ways. That jerk off shouldn’t even be allowed in Cooperstown’s parking lot let alone actually get elected. Of the rest, McGwire is what happens when Dave Kingman does roids, he wouldn’t be a HOFer even if he was clean. And Bonds and Clemens? Lols. Interesting
So should George Brett not be allowed in the HOF?
And Gaylord Perry & Don Sutton.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 2, 2020 8:20:30 GMT
Interesting
So should George Brett not be allowed in the HOF?
And Gaylord Perry & Don Sutton. Whitey Ford There’s evidence that Babe Ruth corked his bats
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Post by NJtoTX on Dec 2, 2020 13:24:22 GMT
And Gaylord Perry & Don Sutton. Whitey Ford There’s evidence that Babe Ruth corked his bats I think there's a difference between going out for specific games trying not to get caught at something and systematically doing things between games that gives you an overall competitive advantage or extend careers that hurts not only the sport, but all the guys who didn't who lost starting jobs, money, and roster spots, or may not have even have gotten called up to the majors.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 2, 2020 18:12:57 GMT
Whitey Ford There’s evidence that Babe Ruth corked his bats I think there's a difference between going out for specific games trying not to get caught at something and systematically doing things between games that gives you an overall competitive advantage or extend careers that hurts not only the sport, but all the guys who didn't who lost starting jobs, money, and roster spots, or may not have even have gotten called up to the majors. I know. But the examples are similar. I remember the clips of Gaylord throwing the spitter and everyone laughing. Then flashforward to 'Chicks did the Long Ball". We all knew damn well the players were juicing. McGwire had power in college, but that much power? Constantly hitting 450-500 foot shots? Sosa never hits more than 15, then hits 60 three times. Barry Bonds goes from a normal athlete's body to The Thing from the Fantastic 4 overnight. No one gave a damn until Canseco's book came out.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 2, 2020 18:23:57 GMT
I miss this so much
Mark McGwire puts Randy Johnson in his place and obliterates Big Bird
The Big Unit meets his match - the mighty bat of Sir Mark -
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 2, 2020 18:27:20 GMT
90 - 81
90. Frank Howard 89. Al Oliver 88. Willie Randolph 87. Lance Berkman 86. Paul Hines (1872-1891) 85. Ron Guidry 84. Wally Berger 83. Dwight Gooden 82. Elston Howard 81. Orel Hershiser
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