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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 2, 2020 18:30:49 GMT
I would have thought Hershiser was in
Oliver?
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Dec 2, 2020 19:08:21 GMT
90 - 81 90. Frank Howard 89. Al Oliver 88. Willie Randolph 87. Lance Berkman 86. Paul Hines (1872-1891) 85. Ron Guidry 84. Wally Berger 83. Dwight Gooden 82. Elston Howard 81. Orel Hershiser I think I liked his 100-91 better. |
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 2, 2020 19:19:39 GMT
I would have thought Hershiser was in
Oliver?
Hershiser's borderline. 204 wins, 2000+ K's. Postseason monster. If I remember, he had momentum in the HOF voting, but then other guys came up for election, Ripken, Gwynn, and he was forgotten
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 2, 2020 19:29:58 GMT
I would have thought Hershiser was in
Oliver?
Hershiser's borderline. 204 wins, 2000+ K's. Postseason monster. If I remember, he had momentum in the HOF voting, but then other guys came up for election, Ripken, Gwynn, and he was forgotten Oh
A lifetime .276 hitter that got celebrated for getting up and going to work
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Dec 2, 2020 19:33:26 GMT
Hershiser's borderline. 204 wins, 2000+ K's. Postseason monster. If I remember, he had momentum in the HOF voting, but then other guys came up for election, Ripken, Gwynn, and he was forgotten Oh
A lifetime .276 hitter that got celebrated for getting up and going to work
I love how you cherry pick one stat here and there to make your case. He has other career numbers too. |
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 2, 2020 19:35:51 GMT
Oh
A lifetime .276 hitter that got celebrated for getting up and going to work
I love how you cherry pick one stat here and there to make your case. He has other career numbers too. For a SS -
He has 36 stolen bases for a 21 year career
Oof - I'm expected my speed guys to be my middle infielders and CF
36 stolen bases in 21 years
Oof
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Dec 2, 2020 19:38:04 GMT
I love how you cherry pick one stat here and there to make your case. He has other career numbers too. For a SS -
He has 36 stolen bases for a 21 year career
Oof - I'm expected my speed guys to be my middle infielders and CF
36 stolen bases in 21 years
Oof
Oof yourself. Do you also expect your shortstops to hit over 400 home runs, get over 3,000 hits, win a RoY and 2 MVPs and a ring? Oof. |
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 2, 2020 19:42:16 GMT
For a SS -
He has 36 stolen bases for a 21 year career
Oof - I'm expected my speed guys to be my middle infielders and CF
36 stolen bases in 21 years
Oof
Oof yourself. Do you also expect your shortstops to hit over 400 home runs, get over 3,000 hits, win a RoY and 2 MVPs and a ring? Oof. I view him as a very selfish ballplayer
He could have taken time off for the betterment of the team - i.e. - rest a day here or a day there - but NOOOOOOO - it was all about him and his 'record'
He should have moved to 3B. It hurt the team - your power #s typically come from 1B, 3B, LF, RF and at times C
But Good Ol Cal didn't want to move to 3rd so a speedster could play SS.
A speedster SS who could have helped the Os - who hit for average and got on base and was a threat on the base paths
Know why he didn't want to move to 3rd?
The Hot Corner takes a bigger toll on the body - and in turn would have jeopardized his 'record'
Selfish
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 2, 2020 19:44:28 GMT
90 - 81 90. Frank Howard 89. Al Oliver 88. Willie Randolph 87. Lance Berkman 86. Paul Hines (1872-1891) 85. Ron Guidry 84. Wally Berger 83. Dwight Gooden 82. Elston Howard 81. Orel Hershiser I think I liked his 100-91 better. I think he had Albert Belle way too low. 381 HR's, .291 BA in 10 full seasons. But he was such a DICK. You can't antagonize the baseball writers for your entire career and not expect them to take revenge. He might have been the biggest douchebag in baseball history. Dick Allen, who will definitely be on the list, is the same
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 2, 2020 19:45:08 GMT
Hershiser's borderline. 204 wins, 2000+ K's. Postseason monster. If I remember, he had momentum in the HOF voting, but then other guys came up for election, Ripken, Gwynn, and he was forgotten Oh
A lifetime .276 hitter that got celebrated for getting up and going to work
You calling me dumb? I don't have a vote.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Dec 2, 2020 19:50:19 GMT
Oof yourself. Do you also expect your shortstops to hit over 400 home runs, get over 3,000 hits, win a RoY and 2 MVPs and a ring? Oof. I view him as a very selfish ballplayer
He could have taken time off for the betterment of the team - i.e. - rest a day here or a day there - but NOOOOOOO - it was all about him and his 'record'
He should have moved to 3B. It hurt the team - your power #s typically come from 1B, 3B, LF, RF and at times C
But Good Ol Cal didn't want to move to 3rd so a speedster could play SS.
A speedster SS who could have helped the Os - who hit for average and got on base and was a threat on the base paths
Know why he didn't want to move to 3rd?
The Hot Corner takes a bigger toll on the body - and in turn would have jeopardized his 'record'
Selfish
Stop regurgitating the same old bullshit to support your shaky narrative. I love how you think that he was selfish for staying in the lineup while never getting hurt yet Embiid and Simmons miss months of the season when a fly farts in Ghana. The Orioles sucked most of the time he was there and it certainly wasn’t his fault. |
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Post by klawrencio79 on Dec 2, 2020 19:50:40 GMT
Oof yourself. Do you also expect your shortstops to hit over 400 home runs, get over 3,000 hits, win a RoY and 2 MVPs and a ring? Oof. I view him as a very selfish ballplayer
He could have taken time off for the betterment of the team - i.e. - rest a day here or a day there - but NOOOOOOO - it was all about him and his 'record'
He should have moved to 3B. It hurt the team - your power #s typically come from 1B, 3B, LF, RF and at times C
But Good Ol Cal didn't want to move to 3rd so a speedster could play SS.
A speedster SS who could have helped the Os - who hit for average and got on base and was a threat on the base paths
Know why he didn't want to move to 3rd?
The Hot Corner takes a bigger toll on the body - and in turn would have jeopardized his 'record'
Selfish
He did move to 3rd in 1996 and then pretty much full time thereafter. Please ruin another thread and leave this one alone.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Dec 2, 2020 19:52:36 GMT
I think I liked his 100-91 better. I think he had Albert Belle way too low. 381 HR's, .291 BA in 10 full seasons. But he was such a DICK. You can't antagonize the baseball writers for your entire career and not expect them to take revenge. He might have been the biggest douchebag in baseball history. Dick Allen, who will definitely be on the list, is the same
I think Allen will get in through a veteran’s committee. I think he deserves it. Not sure about Belle. I mean I think he was really good. Dominant even. Did he do it long enough? He probably ends up in Klaw’s hall of very good. |
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 2, 2020 19:53:28 GMT
I view him as a very selfish ballplayer
He could have taken time off for the betterment of the team - i.e. - rest a day here or a day there - but NOOOOOOO - it was all about him and his 'record'
He should have moved to 3B. It hurt the team - your power #s typically come from 1B, 3B, LF, RF and at times C
But Good Ol Cal didn't want to move to 3rd so a speedster could play SS.
A speedster SS who could have helped the Os - who hit for average and got on base and was a threat on the base paths
Know why he didn't want to move to 3rd?
The Hot Corner takes a bigger toll on the body - and in turn would have jeopardized his 'record'
Selfish
He did move to 3rd in 1996 and then pretty much full time thereafter. Please ruin another thread and leave this one alone. 15 years too late
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Post by klawrencio79 on Dec 2, 2020 19:54:02 GMT
I think he had Albert Belle way too low. 381 HR's, .291 BA in 10 full seasons. But he was such a DICK. You can't antagonize the baseball writers for your entire career and not expect them to take revenge. He might have been the biggest douchebag in baseball history. Dick Allen, who will definitely be on the list, is the same
I think Allen will get in through a veteran’s committee. I think he deserves it. Not sure about Belle. I mean I think he was really good. Dominant even. Did he do it long enough? He probably ends up in Klaw’s hall of very good.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 2, 2020 19:59:25 GMT
I think he had Albert Belle way too low. 381 HR's, .291 BA in 10 full seasons. But he was such a DICK. You can't antagonize the baseball writers for your entire career and not expect them to take revenge. He might have been the biggest douchebag in baseball history. Dick Allen, who will definitely be on the list, is the same
I think Allen will get in through a veteran’s committee. I think he deserves it. Not sure about Belle. I mean I think he was really good. Dominant even. Did he do it long enough? He probably ends up in Klaw’s hall of very good. Bad hip and bad attitude drove him out of baseball. His final season was damned good. Many others got in despite shorten careers. And there's the "If Harold Baines is in..." argument
I agree, Allen will get in sooner or later. The writers that he pissed off are all gone.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 2, 2020 20:02:04 GMT
I think Allen will get in through a veteran’s committee. I think he deserves it. Not sure about Belle. I mean I think he was really good. Dominant even. Did he do it long enough? He probably ends up in Klaw’s hall of very good. Bad hip and bad attitude drove him out of baseball. His final season was damned good. Many others got in despite shorten careers. And there's the "If Harold Baines is in..." argument
I agree, Allen will get in sooner or later. The writers that he pissed off are all gone.
If Dick Allen gets in -
Ryan Howard gets in
Allen isn't the greatest 1st baseman in Phils history
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 2, 2020 20:05:36 GMT
Bad hip and bad attitude drove him out of baseball. His final season was damned good. Many others got in despite shorten careers. And there's the "If Harold Baines is in..." argument
I agree, Allen will get in sooner or later. The writers that he pissed off are all gone.
If Dick Allen gets in -
Ryan Howard gets in
Allen isn't the greatest 1st baseman in Phils history
No shit. He only played first for one season in Philadelphia
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 2, 2020 20:07:58 GMT
If Dick Allen gets in -
Ryan Howard gets in
Allen isn't the greatest 1st baseman in Phils history
No shit. He only played first for one season in Philadelphia
Well - you'd be shocked when you ask some people around here who the greatest 1B in Phils History was -
You get responses of -
Dick Allen Pete Rose
Oof
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Dec 2, 2020 20:08:44 GMT
Bad hip and bad attitude drove him out of baseball. His final season was damned good. Many others got in despite shorten careers. And there's the "If Harold Baines is in..." argument
I agree, Allen will get in sooner or later. The writers that he pissed off are all gone.
If Dick Allen gets in -
Ryan Howard gets in
Allen isn't the greatest 1st baseman in Phils history
You should get yourself a fact checker before you post anything. |
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