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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Dec 3, 2020 10:12:57 GMT
Aren’t those all made by that same company that caters to the fundamentalist crowd? If so, there’s your answer. There are a few recent exceptions from the last five, six years like Hacksaw Ridge, All Saints, Risen, and Captive though. I hadn’t seen the Two Popes yet but it has to be better than the PureFlix crap. For me Pure Flix is the worst distributor. They make The Asylum look good.
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Dec 3, 2020 10:16:39 GMT
I think those films you're talking about first and foremost have an agenda to push. The aim more than anything is to push fundamentalist Christianity, so any desire to actually make a good film is secondary to that. I'm generalizing a bit of course, but I think that's what it comes down to. Well said. SAVING CHRISTMAS is arguably the most egregious example. It's mainly 80 minutes of 2 guys chatting in a car, where one tries to convince the other that Christmas is still a Christian holiday despite its origins. Sure, it's refreshing to hear that from a fanatic (they tend to say the opposite), but it's not the right approach (for a movie). There's also the GOD'S NOT DEAD trilogy. I haven't seen the 3rd one yet, but the first 2 only exist as a response to the so-called war on Christians. I credit Saving Christmas as one of the worst films ever made but I kinda love it because its so horrible that its very funny. Like a modern Plan 9. Also I have seen the first two Gods Not Dead films and they are far beyond trash but I have heard the third is not as hateful as the first two. I havent had the guts to see it because I felt drained after seeing the first two.
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Dec 3, 2020 10:17:44 GMT
I think the problem is that the message of the film comes first and it appeals only to a Christian audience. Unplanned was made from the ground up to be anti-abortion, and there was hardly any argument to counterbalance the film's theme with something logical. That said, I did enjoy I Can Only Imagine, a musical biopic about Bart Millard, the lead singer of the Christian band MercyMe. The message of personal salvation didn't feel forced and the performances were adequate. The music had cross-over appeal. So, I chalk it up that Christian films, for the lack of a better phrase, tend to "preach to the choir" and their production values are equivalent to that of a television movie. Exactly. Films got Gods Not Dead and other Pureflix films are just for ego stroking.
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Post by senan90 on Dec 3, 2020 17:54:54 GMT
They're made by people who don't know/don't care about filmmaking and are only interested in pushing a retarded agenda. Fuck them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 23:16:13 GMT
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_(2018_film)I'm guessing you meant a high budget film with actual A-listers (no offense to Billy Zane) and flashy CGI. Essentially a Marvel Comics Universe type movie. I don't see that happening, there's probably more money in making a Hercules film (the 90s Disney film and the one with Dwayne Johnson did pretty well at the box office, the Kevin Sorbo TV show was quite successful). ewww. God fearing people may has well made that one. A true film about Judges or Samson in particular would need to be R rated. You can’t PG a story about killing an army with a jawbone or a woman hammering a spike through someone’s skull. I’d love to see Zack Snyder make a “300” style film about Judges. It could be a trilogy. Take the best stories. “Judges” “Judges: Chapter II” “Judges: The Final Chapter” Or whatever. I want to see that guy stab the man who is so fat his sword goes into his belly and doesn’t come out of his back. Sick.
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Post by drystyx on Dec 3, 2020 23:25:33 GMT
"Left Behind" was pretty good if you're not a Christian hating fanatic. There were some dialog weaknesses, and that's easy to explain. Probably one in every ten fundamentalists are ready to pounce on anything they consider anti-Jesus, so the usual formula writing of making the lead characters look like monsters in the beginning only to show they aren't monsters later on, that doesn't work so well, but that shouldn't work so well, really, because in real life, those kind of people aren't "cool" later on.
"Left Behind" did suffer from some expository dialog early on, in some of the movies. I remember seeing some offshoots of the series that were actually pretty astute. The entire idea of the real demonic person not being the one expected, that works well, just as it does in many classic films-Sanjuro comes immediately to mind.
Some religious movies aren't even religious. They're actually propaganda for something else. "Quo Vadis" was a nazi propaganda movie.
You almost have to listen to Christian radio to find the lower budget good Christian films like "End of the Spear", which is a bit documentary like, sort of like Matewan.
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Post by novastar6 on Dec 3, 2020 23:50:16 GMT
Because they are dull, extremely preachy and void of any creativity. Plus many have bigoted, twisted and dangerous messages.
...You're aware you just summed up Hollywood today, right?
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Post by novastar6 on Dec 3, 2020 23:51:36 GMT
They're made by people who don't know/don't care about filmmaking and are only interested in pushing a retarded agenda. Fuck them.
Again, you realize you just summed up Hollywood, right?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 23:53:28 GMT
"Left Behind" was pretty good if you're not a Christian hating fanatic. There were some dialog weaknesses, and that's easy to explain. Probably one in every ten fundamentalists are ready to pounce on anything they consider anti-Jesus, so the usual formula writing of making the lead characters look like monsters in the beginning only to show they aren't monsters later on, that doesn't work so well, but that shouldn't work so well, really, because in real life, those kind of people aren't "cool" later on. "Left Behind" did suffer from some expository dialog early on, in some of the movies. I remember seeing some offshoots of the series that were actually pretty astute. The entire idea of the real demonic person not being the one expected, that works well, just as it does in many classic films-Sanjuro comes immediately to mind. Some religious movies aren't even religious. They're actually propaganda for something else. "Quo Vadis" was a nazi propaganda movie. You almost have to listen to Christian radio to find the lower budget good Christian films like "End of the Spear", which is a bit documentary like, sort of like Matewan. Left Behind was probably the best of the bunch, but it still comes off as low budget.
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Post by novastar6 on Dec 4, 2020 0:06:53 GMT
"Left Behind" was pretty good if you're not a Christian hating fanatic. There were some dialog weaknesses, and that's easy to explain. Probably one in every ten fundamentalists are ready to pounce on anything they consider anti-Jesus, so the usual formula writing of making the lead characters look like monsters in the beginning only to show they aren't monsters later on, that doesn't work so well, but that shouldn't work so well, really, because in real life, those kind of people aren't "cool" later on. "Left Behind" did suffer from some expository dialog early on, in some of the movies. I remember seeing some offshoots of the series that were actually pretty astute. The entire idea of the real demonic person not being the one expected, that works well, just as it does in many classic films-Sanjuro comes immediately to mind. Some religious movies aren't even religious. They're actually propaganda for something else. "Quo Vadis" was a nazi propaganda movie. You almost have to listen to Christian radio to find the lower budget good Christian films like "End of the Spear", which is a bit documentary like, sort of like Matewan. Left Behind was probably the best of the bunch, but it still comes off as low budget.
Yeah well the remake was done at 4x the budget but I never heard anybody say one good thing about it either, in fact I've heard less good things about it than the original.
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Post by phantomparticle on Dec 4, 2020 1:08:48 GMT
For over 40 years Hollywood has been churning out disgusting, vile, sadistic movies that never seem to hit the blood drenched bottom of the toilet. They can range from the holiday franchise films to absolute dreck like the drive-in crap of Hershel Gordon Lewis. They make zillions for the producers and more often than not get hailed by critics for their artistry and for pushing the limits of what is permissible. Slaughter film fans of all ages place them on their top ten lists.
Let a religious movie company make faith based films and people pile on them like an entire football team landing on the quarterback of the opposing side.
Propaganda. Zealotry. Religious whackos. Fundamentalist nut jobs. Fanatical Jesus freaks.
Enough with the kneejerk intolerance for anything that even remotely points to someone else's beliefs, whether in film or real life.
And don't give me "if they are dumb enough to believe in fairy tales, they deserve to be mocked and laughed at."
No, they do not., any more than an atheist should be shamed because he has no religious persuasion.
Those who feel they have to deride people of faith are no different than school yard bullies picking on an unpopular classmate who does not fit in with their ideas of what he should believe and how he should conduct himself.
And for the record: I'm agnostic.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2020 1:43:52 GMT
Left Behind was probably the best of the bunch, but it still comes off as low budget.
Yeah well the remake was done at 4x the budget but I never heard anybody say one good thing about it either, in fact I've heard less good things about it than the original.
Yeah, that one sucked. They drug it out and it ended with Rafe landing the plane. That was the first act in part one.
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Post by novastar6 on Dec 4, 2020 1:56:04 GMT
For over 40 years Hollywood has been churning out disgusting, vile, sadistic movies that never seem to hit the blood drenched bottom of the toilet. They can range from the holiday franchise films to absolute dreck like the drive-in crap of Hershel Gordon Lewis. They make zillions for the producers and more often than not get hailed by critics for their artistry and for pushing the limits of what is permissible. Slaughter film fans of all ages place them on their top ten lists. Let a religious movie company make faith based films and people pile on them like an entire football team landing on the quarterback of the opposing side. Propaganda. Zealotry. Religious whackos. Fundamentalist nut jobs. Fanatical Jesus freaks. Enough with the kneejerk intolerance for anything that even remotely points to someone else's beliefs, whether in film or real life. And don't give me "if they are dumb enough to believe in fairy tales, they deserve to be mocked and laughed at." No, they do not., any more than an atheist should be shamed because he has no religious persuasion. Those who feel they have to deride people of faith are no different than school yard bullies picking on an unpopular classmate who does not fit in with their ideas of what he should believe and how he should conduct himself. And for the record: I'm agnostic.
And for that matter, I'll just bet none such people DARE make any such remarks about the REVEREND Al Sharpton. Funny, you'd think it would've been called for him to denounce that title years ago since he's so 'woke'.
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Post by Vits on Dec 4, 2020 11:33:52 GMT
"Left Behind" was pretty good if you're not a Christian hating fanatic. There were some dialog weaknesses, and that's easy to explain. Probably one in every ten fundamentalists are ready to pounce on anything they consider anti-Jesus, so the usual formula writing of making the lead characters look like monsters in the beginning only to show they aren't monsters later on, that doesn't work so well, but that shouldn't work so well, really, because in real life, those kind of people aren't "cool" later on. "Left Behind" did suffer from some expository dialog early on, in some of the movies. I remember seeing some offshoots of the series that were actually pretty astute. The entire idea of the real demonic person not being the one expected, that works well, just as it does in many classic films-Sanjuro comes immediately to mind. Which version are you talking about? Enough with the kneejerk intolerance for anything that even remotely points to someone else's beliefs, whether in film or real life. You do know a lot of the movies being discussed on this thread are guilty of precisely what you're saying?
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Post by jonesjxd on Dec 4, 2020 11:44:58 GMT
It's like in Barton Fink when Jack Lipnick shouts "Itza wrestlin' picture!", faith based movies are a subgenre in trash cinema. Quality doesn't matter in Gods Not Dead the same as it doesn't matter in the majority of low budget horror movies, martial arts movies or sex comedies. They're made to make a quick buck and the only thing getting them into theaters is that their target audience have money and church groups are likely to make group outings to the movies. I typically do watch these movies on streaming because I appreciate trash cinema. The one exception where I think a faith based movie actually turned out to be a pretty interesting and fairly well made movie was Risen with Joe Fiennes.
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Post by vegalyra on Dec 6, 2020 0:55:12 GMT
I really enjoyed "Risen" and "Paul, Apostle of Christ". "The Gospel of John" that was done about 15 years ago or so with Henry Ian Cusick as Jesus was well done too (Christopher Plummer narrated). Of course, I don't think those are the films you are referring to. The ones that are based on Scripture or that take place during the historical period are typically pretty well done in my opinion. Some of my favorite films from the 1950's and early 1960's are the Biblical epics. Very fascinating films. I can agree that films like Fireproof and God's Not Dead aren't the best and are pushing an agenda in a poor fashion but then again I can think of some pretty terrible secular films that do a bad job of pushing an agenda as well.
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Post by politicidal on Dec 6, 2020 0:59:56 GMT
I really enjoyed "Risen" and "Paul, Apostle of Christ". "The Gospel of John" that was done about 15 years ago or so with Henry Ian Cusick as Jesus was well done too (Christopher Plummer narrated). Of course, I don't think those are the films you are referring to. The ones that are based on Scripture or that take place during the historical period are typically pretty well done in my opinion. Some of my favorite films from the 1950's and early 1960's are the Biblical epics. Very fascinating films. I can agree that films like Fireproof and God's Not Dead aren't the best and are pushing an agenda in a poor fashion but then again I can think of some pretty terrible secular films that do a bad job of pushing an agenda as well. Man, I would love a revival of the sweeping star studded bible epics of old. But I think we can thank Ridley Scott for killing it off with Exodus: Gods and Kings.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Dec 6, 2020 3:18:12 GMT
Production companies like Pureflix tend to rush their movies, and mostly hire screenwriters and directors who are not exactly the most talented but fit the bill because they happen to be most available in their area of operations(Arizona) and their beliefs perfectly line up with their company. Once in a while they take their time and produce something that is technically of good quality(checks off all the right areas needed for storytelling, has passable cinematography, directing, and acting) but for the most part they try quite often to put out as many bland, forgettable, melodramatic, and overly preachy films because they want more attention(and money, can't forget about that).
Regarding Hollywood, they used to produce many Christian and faith based films back in the day but in recent years the interest just isn't there as it used to be. The lack of interest is reflected by both box office and that, simply put, many executives and content creators in Hollywood do not generally look upon Christianity in too well a light - a lot of them are of different faiths, or straight up atheists. If you ask Matthew McConaughey many of his peers in Hollywood are Christian, but do not really express their beliefs very openly in public and amongst entertainment industry personnel otherwise it might place a potential job at risk of being lost.
To provide illustration, here is his Oscar winning speech from 2014,
At the 2:10 - 2:39 area - Two occasions you hear a group begin to clap and shout happily but quickly they halt, and Jennifer Lawrence, an atheist, looks like she is on the verge of laughing and call him a doofus(Don't expect her to be in any faith based movie soon).
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Post by Vits on Dec 6, 2020 13:01:09 GMT
To provide illustration, here is his Oscar winning speech from 2014, At the 2:10 - 2:39 area - Two occasions you hear a group begin to clap and shout happily but quickly they halt, and Jennifer Lawrence, an atheist, looks like she is on the verge of laughing and call him a doofus(Don't expect her to be in any faith based movie soon). I don't see Jennifer laughing (she does so later, but everyone does, because Matthew is trying to be funny). It happens a lot in award ceremonies that a couple of people start clapping and the rest don't join because they can tell that the winner's speech isn't over. Remember: These people are given a limited amount of time to speak and applauses decrease that amount.
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Post by senan90 on Dec 6, 2020 17:28:14 GMT
They're made by people who don't know/don't care about filmmaking and are only interested in pushing a retarded agenda. Fuck them.
Again, you realize you just summed up Hollywood, right?
No, I didn’t, you two shitheads. Hollywood actually does make movies that have artistic integrity. Let alone, movies that are actually competent and made by actual filmmakers.
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