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Post by drystyx on Dec 3, 2020 1:23:13 GMT
And when a wave got to the very end, it just continued on from the other side of the finite sphere, from the exact opposite position? And then continued on through the Universe again? Sort of like the old "Asteroids" game in three dimensions. And if it's "four dimensions" who knows where the wave goes?
What do the intelligent life forms here think? I mean, besides myself, the six or seven of you that aren't blubbering idiots. No offense.
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Post by Arlon10 on Dec 3, 2020 7:30:52 GMT
And when a wave got to the very end, it just continued on from the other side of the finite sphere, from the exact opposite position? And then continued on through the Universe again? Sort of like the old "Asteroids" game in three dimensions. And if it's "four dimensions" who knows where the wave goes? What do the intelligent life forms here think? I mean, besides myself, the six or seven of you that aren't blubbering idiots. No offense. From as early as I can remember I've always considered the universe to be infinite. I have no idea why, and of course I have no proof. I think people play too many word games as though that will do any good. For instance, "What is outside the finite sphere of the universe?" If it is nonexistence then wouldn't nonexistence exist? Look, it has a spherical boundary.
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Post by drystyx on Dec 3, 2020 16:40:33 GMT
And when a wave got to the very end, it just continued on from the other side of the finite sphere, from the exact opposite position? And then continued on through the Universe again? Sort of like the old "Asteroids" game in three dimensions. And if it's "four dimensions" who knows where the wave goes? What do the intelligent life forms here think? I mean, besides myself, the six or seven of you that aren't blubbering idiots. No offense. From as early as I can remember I've always considered the universe to be infinite. I have no idea why, and of course I have no proof. I think people play too many word games as though that will do any good. For instance, "What is outside the finite sphere of the universe?" If it is nonexistence then wouldn't nonexistence exist? Look, it has a spherical boundary. But what if it is "finite" and thus anything that extends outside of the barrier just goes back in the other side, like when someone's ship sinks, and he swims in the ocean past the international date line, as long as a shark doesn't get him first, or a huge wave, or Kraken, or Godzilla, although Kraken and Godzilla would just do it by accident, since a tiny human wouldn't even be a crumb to them? Could be the Geometry goes into another law here. If there is nothing, and "nothing" doesn't exist, then either the particle or wave that goes through the finite barrier will just come in the other side, or will go into another "Universe" that only exists in another dimension, and has no "space" to move in. It may just be a Universe of contemplation, or of observation. Maybe there is no "space" there, and one just observes or hears or senses the present Universe some how. Instead of eyes and hears, maybe those that extend beyond the Universe have some other sort of sensation to notice with. I think I'll go to the edge of the Universe and check it out and see (or sense somehow). Who's coming?
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Post by Catman on Dec 3, 2020 16:43:09 GMT
What you describe sounds like a Klein bottle.
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Post by Arlon10 on Dec 3, 2020 16:51:01 GMT
From as early as I can remember I've always considered the universe to be infinite. I have no idea why, and of course I have no proof. I think people play too many word games as though that will do any good. For instance, "What is outside the finite sphere of the universe?" If it is nonexistence then wouldn't nonexistence exist? Look, it has a spherical boundary. But what if it is "finite" and thus anything that extends outside of the barrier just goes back in the other side, like when someone's ship sinks, and he swims in the ocean past the international date line, as long as a shark doesn't get him first, or a huge wave, or Kraken, or Godzilla, although Kraken and Godzilla would just do it by accident, since a tiny human wouldn't even be a crumb to them? Could be the Geometry goes into another law here. If there is nothing, and "nothing" doesn't exist, then either the particle or wave that goes through the finite barrier will just come in the other side, or will go into another "Universe" that only exists in another dimension, and has no "space" to move in. It may just be a Universe of contemplation, or of observation. Maybe there is no "space" there, and one just observes or hears or senses the present Universe some how. Instead of eyes and hears, maybe those that extend beyond the Universe have some other sort of sensation to notice with. I think I'll go to the edge of the Universe and check it out and see (or sense somehow). Who's coming? Okay, I'd like to try again seeing I failed to address the wave versus particle controversy. Is there an end of the medium in which light is a wave? If light is a particle it wouldn't matter. In that case light could travel through that "perfect" total vacuum. I do not know whether there is any end of the medium, nor can I say whether light is a particle. Nor would I guess why the medium if required would take the shape of a sphere. Nor can I say whether just because light can't go there, if it can't, why anything else couldn't also go there. So, all in all, I am not much help here, sorry. Another good question is whether psychic communication might be possible where light cannot go. That is another I cannot answer today, sorry.
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Post by Arlon10 on Dec 3, 2020 16:59:34 GMT
What you describe sounds like a Klein bottle. Are all cat people such show offs?
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Post by permutojoe on Dec 4, 2020 0:07:11 GMT
And when a wave got to the very end, it just continued on from the other side of the finite sphere, from the exact opposite position? And then continued on through the Universe again? Sort of like the old "Asteroids" game in three dimensions. And if it's "four dimensions" who knows where the wave goes? What do the intelligent life forms here think? I mean, besides myself, the six or seven of you that aren't blubbering idiots. No offense. I think it's like that with a sphere "curved" in 4D space, like a strip piece of paper can curve in 3D space. I'm also a blubbering idiot though, so it's probably a lot more complicated than that.
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Post by drystyx on Dec 4, 2020 0:27:38 GMT
And when a wave got to the very end, it just continued on from the other side of the finite sphere, from the exact opposite position? And then continued on through the Universe again? Sort of like the old "Asteroids" game in three dimensions. And if it's "four dimensions" who knows where the wave goes? What do the intelligent life forms here think? I mean, besides myself, the six or seven of you that aren't blubbering idiots. No offense. I think it's like that with a sphere "curved" in 4D space, like a strip piece of paper can curve in 3D space. I'm also a blubbering idiot though, so it's probably a lot more complicated than that. There's "blubbering" and "blithering". I belong to the "blithering" club, technically, the "Blithering Idiots Getting Down In Collective Knowledge" Club, and "BIGDICK" currently needs a new manager, or "head".
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Post by permutojoe on Dec 4, 2020 0:35:26 GMT
I think it's like that with a sphere "curved" in 4D space, like a strip piece of paper can curve in 3D space. I'm also a blubbering idiot though, so it's probably a lot more complicated than that. There's "blubbering" and "blithering". I belong to the "blithering" club, technically, the "Blithering Idiots Getting Down In Collective Knowledge" Club, and "BIGDICK" currently needs a new manager, or "head". What does the President of Chad have to do with any of this?
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Post by drystyx on Jul 25, 2021 3:31:31 GMT
There's "blubbering" and "blithering". I belong to the "blithering" club, technically, the "Blithering Idiots Getting Down In Collective Knowledge" Club, and "BIGDICK" currently needs a new manager, or "head". What does the President of Chad have to do with any of this? Chad hasn't posted in a while that I've seen.
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Post by maya55555 on Jul 25, 2021 18:24:11 GMT
GEE WOW!
Sorry I do not remember that from my calculus courses. That was fifty years ago.
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Post by goz on Aug 2, 2021 8:13:37 GMT
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Post by Catman on Aug 2, 2021 13:21:04 GMT
Not if it were a Klein bottle.
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Post by rizdek on Aug 2, 2021 15:47:45 GMT
Since the OP was exactly on my 70th birthday, I'll chime in belatedly.
It is difficult to conceive of the extent of the universe. If it is finite, it means that someone, in some far distant galaxy might be a few million kilometers from the edge and when they peer into their telescopes looking one direction, they actually see...nothing. That is assuming the waves (of light, eg) don't loop around to the opposite side like you are posing here.
If that is how the universe works they'd see what appears to be a whole universe of stars, but in reality they're looking at the stars/galaxies/dust clouds on the opposite side and...unless there was something unusual about the appearance they might be none the wiser. And if space probes are sent out, they appear to keep going straight but in reality, they come to the edge and all their coordinates are divided using the modulo operator and badda bink,baddo boom, they're on the opposite side of the screen...I mean universe.
I would say your theory is no more mind boggling than any other view of the universe...what are the options?
1. the universe is infinite. That means that when we peer with out largest telescopes, tens of billions of light years away, we see galaxies that might be home to intelligent life. But any intelligent life on those galaxies could likewise peer out in the same direction as we are looking and they would see pretty much the same thing...billions of light years of space full of galaxies and nebulae. And if in some distant galaxy the can barely see there is yet another planet with intelligent life who can study the sky, those individuals are studying the night sky in the same direction and are seeing galaxies tens of billions of light years away...ad infinitum. That's one view.
2. the universe is not infinite. That means that while we can look tens of billions of light years in all directions and see pretty much a uniform array of galaxies clusters, galaxies and nebulae and there are tens and tens of billions of stars and likely planets orbiting them. But if there happened to be some intelligent life on one of those far distant planets, it is possible that while they can look back towards us and see pretty much the same thing we see, if they look off in another direction, they see a few stars/galaxies and perhaps nothing else...it's just a blank night sky. That's another view...that at some place in the universe there is an edge and 'nothing' beyond it.
3. the universe somehow folds back on itself like you described. But that is kind of a form of number 2 except people never see anything that gives them a hint that they are at some sort of edge and they think they live amid an essentially infinite universe.
There may be more options, but it seems they have to revolve around those basic premises. And NONE of those seem sensible. Certainly an infinite universe has some philosophical and logical problems. And an universe with an edge begs for someone to explain what IS the edge like and what might be on the other side of the edge.
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Post by goz on Aug 2, 2021 21:23:53 GMT
Not if it were a Klein bottle. Ya think?
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