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Post by lowtacks86 on Dec 6, 2020 13:37:04 GMT
So as I predicted you didn't respond to anything I posted, you didn't cite any data/studies, and are resorting to petty insults again. At least you're reliably stupid, I'll give you that. "The fact that poor people marry less has absolutely nothing to do with the purpose of marriage" You specifically said marriage helps people become less dependent on welfare, you're backpeddling "At one time, despite your ignorance of it, marriage vows ensured a couple would meet their responsibilities to each other and their own children without any need for government oversight." When was that? Can you give an actual rough date? Do you have any historical data to back this up? Or are you just making shit up as usual? "That failed so often that government management became the norm." You haven't provided any studies/data to show this "Government, especially where you're involved, doesn't have the best answers nor the on-site knowledge of the problems." Another one of your idiotic libertarian tangents that has nothing to do with anything "You don't notice how bad things have become because you are too stupid to notice. " Oh I have noticed, I'm just not stupid enough to blame it on people not getting married. Particularly since that's not what the data is pointing to. You have already proved yourself to be incapable of understanding data or applying it to any solutions. Remember when you said the demand for health care is "inelastic"? Remember How I showed its only as inelastic as various people decide they are going to make it? Remember how this proves the demand is indeed too high and the reason the United States differs from other countries? You have not provided any studies or data that show what the purpose of marriage even might be. You only think you have because you cannot read and see whatever you want in studies. Do people in poverty have lower marriage rates? Even if they did, correlation is not necessarily causation. Marriage concerns who pays, poverty concerns how much. Those are two very different things. Even long ago when people depended on themselves for the most part there would be rare examples of parents so bad that even the unqualified government had better ideas than they had. Because things have become so much worse today quite many more people actually need government help. Oddly enough things only get worse because government is not doing a good job either. The way out is religion and people understanding they need to be responsible as part of any financial help. Government cannot help and god wants people taking more personal responsibility "You have already proved yourself to be incapable of understanding data or applying it to any solutions. Remember when you said the demand for health care is "inelastic"?" You mean the one where I actually provided data and you didn't? "Remember how this proves the demand is indeed too high and the reason the United States differs from other countries?" You provided no actual that prove this, I gave data that countered this. I dunno why you're pivoting to that convesrsation, you kept backing off every point and pivoting to something else, you looked really stupid in that at one (more so that usual). Do you any self awareness of how idiotic you looked? "You have not provided any studies or data that show what the purpose of marriage even might be. You only think you have because you cannot read and see whatever you want in studies." Uh yes I did, did you actually bother reading the links I sent? Notice how you gave no data to back up your point?" "Even if they did, correlation is not necessarily causation" Except sociologists do point out causation: prospect.org/power/marriage-poverty/af "Even long ago when people depended on themselves for the most part there would be rare examples of parents so bad that even the unqualified government had better ideas than they had. Because things have become so much worse today quite many more people actually need government help." You have provided no data/studies to attribute this to marriage, you can make shit up all you want, no one is falling for it "As is often the case, aid to the poor just creates more poor people." This is just a flat out lie: www.epi.org/publication/countries-investing-more-in-social-programs-have-less-child-poverty/"The way out is religion and people understanding they need to be responsible as part of any financial help." Then why are the countries with lowest poverty rates tend to be the less religious (Norway, Finland, Denmark, Sweden)
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Post by Arlon10 on Dec 6, 2020 13:49:02 GMT
You have already proved yourself to be incapable of understanding data or applying it to any solutions. Remember when you said the demand for health care is "inelastic"? Remember How I showed its only as inelastic as various people decide they are going to make it? Remember how this proves the demand is indeed too high and the reason the United States differs from other countries? You have not provided any studies or data that show what the purpose of marriage even might be. You only think you have because you cannot read and see whatever you want in studies. Do people in poverty have lower marriage rates? Even if they did, correlation is not necessarily causation. Marriage concerns who pays, poverty concerns how much. Those are two very different things. Even long ago when people depended on themselves for the most part there would be rare examples of parents so bad that even the unqualified government had better ideas than they had. Because things have become so much worse today quite many more people actually need government help. Oddly enough things only get worse because government is not doing a good job either. As is often the case, aid to the poor just creates more poor people. The way out is religion and people understanding they need to be responsible as part of any financial help. Government cannot help and god wants people taking more personal responsibility "You have already proved yourself to be incapable of understanding data or applying it to any solutions. Remember when you said the demand for health care is "inelastic"?" You mean the one where I actually provided data and you didn't? "Remember how this proves the demand is indeed too high and the reason the United States differs from other countries?" You provided no actual that prove this, I gave data that countered this. I dunno why you're pivoting to that convesrsation, you kept backing off every point and pivoting to something else, you looked really stupid in that at one (more so that usual). Do you any self aware of how idiotic you looked? "You have not provided any studies or data that show what the purpose of marriage even might be. You only think you have because you cannot read and see whatever you want in studies." Uh yes I did, did you actually bother reading the links I sent? Notice how you gave no data to back up your point?" "Even if they did, correlation is not necessarily causation" Except sociologists do point out causation: www.usatoday.com/story/money/columnist/kay/2013/08/17/at-work-economy-marriage/2663323/ ^^ a stunning example of the reason to reduce government involvement ^^
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Post by lowtacks86 on Dec 6, 2020 13:56:56 GMT
"You have already proved yourself to be incapable of understanding data or applying it to any solutions. Remember when you said the demand for health care is "inelastic"?" You mean the one where I actually provided data and you didn't? "Remember how this proves the demand is indeed too high and the reason the United States differs from other countries?" You provided no actual that prove this, I gave data that countered this. I dunno why you're pivoting to that convesrsation, you kept backing off every point and pivoting to something else, you looked really stupid in that at one (more so that usual). Do you any self aware of how idiotic you looked? "You have not provided any studies or data that show what the purpose of marriage even might be. You only think you have because you cannot read and see whatever you want in studies." Uh yes I did, did you actually bother reading the links I sent? Notice how you gave no data to back up your point?" "Even if they did, correlation is not necessarily causation" Except sociologists do point out causation: www.usatoday.com/story/money/columnist/kay/2013/08/17/at-work-economy-marriage/2663323/ ^^ a stunning example of the reason to reduce government involvement ^^ Petty ad homs don't count as an argument. Evasion noted.
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Post by Arlon10 on Dec 6, 2020 14:16:06 GMT
Petty ad homs don't count as an argument. Evasion noted. You don't count as an adult for the purposes of this discussion.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Dec 6, 2020 14:25:04 GMT
Petty ad homs don't count as an argument. Evasion noted. You don't count as an adult for the purposes of this discussion. Petty ad homs still don't count as an argument. Evasion still noted.
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Post by Arlon10 on Dec 6, 2020 14:28:22 GMT
You don't count as an adult for the purposes of this discussion. Petty ad homs still don't count as an argument. Evasion still noted. What a pity. How else can you learn?
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Post by lowtacks86 on Dec 6, 2020 14:30:20 GMT
Petty ad homs still don't count as an argument. Evasion still noted. What a pity. How else can you learn? This still doesn't count as argument
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Post by thefleetsin on Dec 6, 2020 17:04:53 GMT
historically, it's called a holy war.
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