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Post by OldSamVimes on Dec 7, 2020 11:28:50 GMT
Here in Canada Costco, Walmart, liquor stores, pot shops are all open for business.
But all churches are closed, even though they were complying with social distancing and people were wearing masks...
Worshiping at the altar of materialism at large corporate stores is the only form of worship that's morally okay in these dark times.
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Post by Isapop on Dec 7, 2020 16:29:22 GMT
Here in Canada Costco, Walmart, liquor stores, pot shops are all open for business. But all churches are closed, even though they were complying with social distancing and people were wearing masks... Worshiping at the altar of materialism at large corporate stores is the only form of worship that's morally okay in these dark times. Unless church services are being treated differently from plays and concerts, this complaint makes no sense.
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Post by Arlon10 on Dec 7, 2020 16:44:27 GMT
Here in Canada Costco, Walmart, liquor stores, pot shops are all open for business. But all churches are closed, even though they were complying with social distancing and people were wearing masks... Worshiping at the altar of materialism at large corporate stores is the only form of worship that's morally okay in these dark times. Unless church services are being treated differently from plays and concerts, this complaint makes no sense. Liquor stores and pot shops?
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Post by Rodney Farber on Dec 7, 2020 16:55:14 GMT
Here in Canada Costco, Walmart, liquor stores, pot shops are all open for business. But all churches are closed, even though they were complying with social distancing and people were wearing masks... Worshiping at the altar of materialism at large corporate stores is the only form of worship that's morally okay in these dark times. If you want to pray, nobody is stopping you. Why not pray from the comfort of your own home. Church is a building built by humans and furnished with goods built by humans. It is supposed to make you think you're closer to Yahweh, but are you really?
As a kid, I remember the 23rd psalm being spoken each Sunday, "The Lord is my shepherd ... And you will dwell in the house of the Lord, forever". The purpose of going to church is to keep you indoctrinated. To quote Paul Stukey who said on the PPM album, In Concert, "The second element is repetition to give the child a false sense of security".
Not surprisingly, we never spoke Psalm 137:9, "Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks." Would you keep going back to church if you said that every week?
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Post by OldSamVimes on Dec 7, 2020 16:59:21 GMT
Here in Canada Costco, Walmart, liquor stores, pot shops are all open for business. But all churches are closed, even though they were complying with social distancing and people were wearing masks... Worshiping at the altar of materialism at large corporate stores is the only form of worship that's morally okay in these dark times. Unless church services are being treated differently from plays and concerts, this complaint makes no sense. Makes about as much sense as funneling the population through big box corporate stores in an effort to stop infection. Who gives a shit about logic anymore? People in my church were sitting 12 feet apart and not touching.. but somehow going into Walmart that's having a few hundred extra people go through it every day is fine...
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Post by OldSamVimes on Dec 7, 2020 17:03:48 GMT
Here in Canada Costco, Walmart, liquor stores, pot shops are all open for business. But all churches are closed, even though they were complying with social distancing and people were wearing masks... Worshiping at the altar of materialism at large corporate stores is the only form of worship that's morally okay in these dark times. If you want to pray, nobody is stopping you. Why not pray from the comfort of your own home. Church is a building built by humans and furnished with goods built by humans. It is supposed to make you think you're closer to Yahweh, but are you really?
As a kid, I remember the 23rd psalm being spoken each Sunday, "The Lord is my shepherd ... And you will dwell in the house of the Lord, forever". The purpose of going to church is to keep you indoctrinated. To quote Paul Stukey who said on the PPM album, In Concert, "The second element is repetition to give the child a false sense of security".
Not surprisingly, we never spoke Psalm 137:9, "Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks." Would you keep going back to church if you said that every week?
I go to church for the metaphors, the singing and music, and the community. 'All religious people are indoctrinated sheep' is an ignorant, uninformed generalization. People go to church for all sorts of different reasons, some are more pious than others. Generalizing religious people, atheists, whatever.. that's always a demonstration of extreme black and white thinking and ignorance.
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Post by Rodney Farber on Dec 7, 2020 17:17:32 GMT
Unless church services are being treated differently from plays and concerts, this complaint makes no sense. Makes about as much sense as funneling the population through big box corporate stores in an effort to stop infection. Who gives a shit about logic anymore? People in my church were sitting 12 feet apart and not touching.. but somehow going into Walmart that's having a few hundred extra people go through it every day is fine... There's a YouTube clip of Kenneth Copeland laughing at Biden's win. In the brief video, I saw no one wearing a mask and about 70% of the seats were occupied.
I don't know what percentage of church services are practicing social distancing. Maybe it's 3%; maybe it's 97%. They can't police every church service to see of they are as responsible as your church.
As for box stores: I gotta eat and I don't have a pasture with January's dinners grazing in it.
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Post by Rodney Farber on Dec 7, 2020 17:23:30 GMT
I go to church for the metaphors, the singing and music, and the community. ... Metaphors, singing, music, and community can all be done without the weekly indoctrination. Setting aside my indoctrination comment, why not hold your church services via Zoom?
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Post by lowtacks86 on Dec 7, 2020 17:36:10 GMT
While I'm sure corporations are pressuring politicians to keep their businesses open, it's a bit more complicated than that. First of places like Costco provide necessary goods (food, cleaning supplies, toilet paper, etc) so keeping them open seems justifiable. Most liquor stores also happen to be convenience stores which also sell necessary goods, so keeping them open is also justifiable. Now as for pot shops, maybe they're not "necessary goods" but they are a huge source of tax income, which is needed even more so than ever right now for unemployment aid/welfare. I dunno very much about Canadian churches, but if they're anything like American churches they're not paying any taxes.
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Post by clusium on Dec 7, 2020 19:52:00 GMT
Makes about as much sense as funneling the population through big box corporate stores in an effort to stop infection. Who gives a shit about logic anymore? People in my church were sitting 12 feet apart and not touching.. but somehow going into Walmart that's having a few hundred extra people go through it every day is fine... There's a YouTube clip of Kenneth Copeland laughing at Biden's win. In the brief video, I saw no one wearing a mask and about 70% of the seats were occupied.
I don't know what percentage of church services are practicing social distancing. Maybe it's 3%; maybe it's 97%. They can't police every church service to see of they are as responsible as your church.
As for box stores: I gotta eat and I don't have a pasture with January's dinners grazing in it.
Well, that's Kenneth's Copland's church. During the time when the lockdown was loosened, we had to reserve our places if we wanted to attend Holy Mass; wear our masks; & sanitize our hands before entering the Church (also, when Holy Mass was concluded, the pews had to be sanitized before the next Holy Mass started for the next group of parishioners). Reckon it will be exactly the same when the lockdown is loosened again, right in time for Christmas.
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Post by clusium on Dec 7, 2020 19:53:25 GMT
I go to church for the metaphors, the singing and music, and the community. ... Metaphors, singing, music, and community can all be done without the weekly indoctrination. Setting aside my indoctrination comment, why not hold your church services via Zoom? We do watch Holy Mass online, and/or on TV. However, because we cannot be physically present at Church itself, it means we cannot partake in Holy Communion (which is the whole point of Holy Mass).
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Post by HeCantStandStill on Dec 7, 2020 23:52:54 GMT
Unless church services are being treated differently from plays and concerts, this complaint makes no sense. Liquor stores and pot shops? Pot was legalised in 2018 in Canada. Now you don't have to fly to the Netherlands to have an Amsterdam good time.
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Post by rizdek on Dec 8, 2020 12:56:56 GMT
Here in Canada Costco, Walmart, liquor stores, pot shops are all open for business. But all churches are closed, even though they were complying with social distancing and people were wearing masks... Worshiping at the altar of materialism at large corporate stores is the only form of worship that's morally okay in these dark times. That's because one does not NEED a church, or to go to church, to worship. I have been told over and over again that Christianity, anyways, is NOT a religion, it's a relationship....with Jesus. If that is true, one can 'relationship' with Jesus at home, in the car, in a boat and from afar,
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Post by OldSamVimes on Dec 8, 2020 13:00:52 GMT
Here in Canada Costco, Walmart, liquor stores, pot shops are all open for business. But all churches are closed, even though they were complying with social distancing and people were wearing masks... Worshiping at the altar of materialism at large corporate stores is the only form of worship that's morally okay in these dark times. That's because one does not NEED a church, or to go to church, to worship. I have been told over and over again that Christianity, anyways, is NOT a religion, it's a relationship....with Jesus. If that is true, one can 'relationship' with Jesus at home, in the car, in a boat and from afar,
You're correct of course, but when you think about it people can get their groceries delivered to them at home. Nobody needs to leave their house ever again. We can keep everyone safe... from life itself! LOL
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Post by rizdek on Dec 8, 2020 13:07:05 GMT
That's because one does not NEED a church, or to go to church, to worship. I have been told over and over again that Christianity, anyways, is NOT a religion, it's a relationship....with Jesus. If that is true, one can 'relationship' with Jesus at home, in the car, in a boat and from afar,
You're correct of course, but when you think about it people can get their groceries delivered to them at home. Nobody needs to leave their house ever again. We can keep everyone safe... from life itself! LOL I'm perfectly happy with opening up the churches, giving them guidelines and letting them do what they wanted. Same with stores/bars/theaters/etc. If people are so stupid as to ignore good sense...let 'em get sick and die. But even WITH delivery, there is an essential human to human contact with providing goods and services that shouldn't be needed, theoretically, with one's relationship with God.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Dec 8, 2020 13:15:42 GMT
You're correct of course, but when you think about it people can get their groceries delivered to them at home. Nobody needs to leave their house ever again. We can keep everyone safe... from life itself! LOL I'm perfectly happy with opening up the churches, giving them guidelines and letting them do what they wanted. Same with stores/bars/theaters/etc. If people are so stupid as to ignore good sense...let 'em get sick and die. But even WITH delivery, there is an essential human to human contact with providing goods and services that shouldn't be needed, theoretically, with one's relationship with God. I agree. Nature is a church in itself, and if you can't find awe in the Universe then you probably aren't going to find it in church. But, I do miss the singing. I can sing on my own (and I do) but the community feeling of singing in church is something I've grown quite fond of in the past year or so.
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Post by rizdek on Dec 8, 2020 13:24:23 GMT
I'm perfectly happy with opening up the churches, giving them guidelines and letting them do what they wanted. Same with stores/bars/theaters/etc. If people are so stupid as to ignore good sense...let 'em get sick and die. But even WITH delivery, there is an essential human to human contact with providing goods and services that shouldn't be needed, theoretically, with one's relationship with God. I agree. Nature is a church in itself, and if you can't find awe in the Universe then you probably aren't going to find it in church. But, I do miss the singing. I can sing on my own (and I do) but the community feeling of singing in church is something I've grown quite fond of in the past year or so. Maybe that's why I don't miss going to church. The singing...at least my participation....was never that attractive. I enjoy listening, but me...singing. 
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Post by OldSamVimes on Dec 8, 2020 13:30:22 GMT
I agree. Nature is a church in itself, and if you can't find awe in the Universe then you probably aren't going to find it in church. But, I do miss the singing. I can sing on my own (and I do) but the community feeling of singing in church is something I've grown quite fond of in the past year or so. Maybe that's why I don't miss going to church. The singing...at least my participation....was never that attractive. I enjoy listening, but me...singing. I have to admit I like to look at the ladies in their Sunday clothes too. I realize it's Satan tempting me, but I can't prove how righteous I am by resisting temptation if I don't take a good look. ...maybe instead of going to church I'll watch 'Wiseblood' again.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Dec 8, 2020 13:47:32 GMT
WINNIPEG -- The Manitoba courts have ruled that a Winnipeg church cannot hold drive-in services.
On Saturday afternoon, the Chief Justice of the Court Queen's Bench Glen Joyal ruled that a drive-in church service is still a gathering, which violates public health orders. That's right.. it's against the law to sit in your car for church services.. Article |
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Post by clusium on Dec 8, 2020 15:32:24 GMT
Here in Canada Costco, Walmart, liquor stores, pot shops are all open for business. But all churches are closed, even though they were complying with social distancing and people were wearing masks... Worshiping at the altar of materialism at large corporate stores is the only form of worship that's morally okay in these dark times. That's because one does not NEED a church, or to go to church, to worship. I have been told over and over again that Christianity, anyways, is NOT a religion, it's a relationship....with Jesus. If that is true, one can 'relationship' with Jesus at home, in the car, in a boat and from afar,
Actually, we do need a Church. In order to worship, we must receive Holy Communion. With the lockdown, we cannot partake in Holy Communion.
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