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Post by Admin on Dec 10, 2020 3:57:25 GMT
When it's Christianity, it's Christianity. When it's any other religion, it's suddenly "all religions." Funny that. Yes. They don’t do Diwali in most Christian Churches. And it’s the Real @ Christians...the ones who think other Christians are fake...is who I’m speaking of. Are a lot of Lutherans running all upset that two men can now kiss in public or telling people to not wear masks because it’s unAmerican and trust in God, not Democrats? And the money they love. So all religions is really all religious nutjobs who have melded their religion and politics into a single sick organism that blows up buildings and think only born-again, anti-science, the Bible is without error, pro-right wingers are the only people capable of knowing The Truth because of their religion-politics. If you are not one of the above, I got no problem with you. Pray and read the Bible all you want. ✌️ But we now know for sure, despite all their denials to contrary, that these Christians are as capable of the same violence and hatred that they level at Muslims because they are irrational. Thanks for the underscore. 
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 10, 2020 8:54:09 GMT
I was really only referring to the 2 mega tyrants of the religious order around the world, Islam and Christianity. The rest are more grounded in philosophical connection and wholesomeness, not attempting to convert and gain world dominance of superiority of belief.
Why is it so easy to corner a Christian or Muslim for their beliefs? Hmmmmm, makes the mind boggle regarding the delusional package they come with, or is it that their minds just boggle constantly and it creates an inherent pathological, or even psychotic trait.
There is no difference between the spirituality of Christianity & Islam, & the spirituality of Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, Confucianism, Native American/First Nation, Jainism, etc.
If you say that Christianity & Islam are mega tyrants, then so are the rest. If you say that you can corner Christians & Muslims in their beliefs. Then you can do so with the rest. Way to miss the point gf, and deliberately so. It is just being obtuse to ignore what I have already commented on about the DIFFERENCE'S between Islam, Christianity, and I will throw Judaism into the same melting pot, compared to the rest and then pretend there is no difference. Superiority of belief in a creator God creates nothing but conflict and the tyranny of many wars have been shrouded by these religious orders.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 10, 2020 8:55:01 GMT
Please provide me with some rock solid evidence, or revert back into the limited mindset of fear and ignorance waiting to be saved by this higher power. You will be waiting a very very long time. Enjoy your myriad of lifetimes to come on the suffering planet of earth. I can't watch those right now clu, but I am telling you right now, they ARE NOT the rock solid evidence I asked for.
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Post by Admin on Dec 10, 2020 9:27:42 GMT
There would also be no more Buddhists, Hindus, Confucianists, Native American/First Nation Spirituality, Jains, etc. I was really only referring to the 2 mega tyrants of the religious order around the world, Islam and Christianity. The rest are more grounded in philosophical connection and wholesomeness, not attempting to convert and gain world dominance of superiority of belief. Why is it so easy to corner a Christian or Muslim for their beliefs? Hmmmmm, makes the mind boggle regarding the delusional package they come with, or is it that their minds just boggle constantly and it creates an inherent pathological, or even psychotic trait. I thought Christianity was all about humility, putting others before yourself, loving your enemies, and riding donkeys.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 10, 2020 9:29:40 GMT
I was really only referring to the 2 mega tyrants of the religious order around the world, Islam and Christianity. The rest are more grounded in philosophical connection and wholesomeness, not attempting to convert and gain world dominance of superiority of belief. Why is it so easy to corner a Christian or Muslim for their beliefs? Hmmmmm, makes the mind boggle regarding the delusional package they come with, or is it that their minds just boggle constantly and it creates an inherent pathological, or even psychotic trait. I thought Christianity was all about humility, putting others before yourself, loving your enemies, and riding donkeys.  Riding them in what way, I have seen Clerks II.
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Post by Admin on Dec 10, 2020 9:30:09 GMT
I thought Christianity was all about humility, putting others before yourself, loving your enemies, and riding donkeys. Riding them in what way, I have seen Clerks II. In the Jesus way, I suppose.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 10, 2020 9:47:54 GMT
 Riding them in what way, I have seen Clerks II. In the Jesus way, I suppose. Is that a new position with donkeys?
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Post by Admin on Dec 10, 2020 9:59:20 GMT
In the Jesus way, I suppose. Is that a new position with donkeys? The story is that Jesus Christ rode into town on a donkey and you're saying Christianity is about superiority.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 10, 2020 10:04:32 GMT
Is that a new position with donkeys? The story is that Jesus Christ rode into town on a donkey and you're saying Christianity is about superiority. Yes, superiority of belief in being the only true God/Christ. Islam will tell you the same thing. Is it?
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Post by Admin on Dec 10, 2020 10:11:19 GMT
The story is that Jesus Christ rode into town on a donkey and you're saying Christianity is about superiority. Yes, superiority of belief in being the only true God/Christ. Islam will tell you the same thing. Is it? Is "tyrant" a term of endearment?
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 10, 2020 10:12:33 GMT
Yes, superiority of belief in being the only true God/Christ. Islam will tell you the same thing. Is it? Is "tyrant" a term of endearment? Would you have liked me to have used something stronger or more impactful?
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Post by Admin on Dec 10, 2020 10:16:44 GMT
Is "tyrant" a term of endearment? Would you have liked me to have used something stronger or more impactful? By all means, no sugar coating.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 10, 2020 10:20:48 GMT
Would you have liked me to have used something stronger or more impactful? By all means, no sugar coating. I liked the word just fine with the point I was making. What suggestions do you have?
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Post by Admin on Dec 10, 2020 10:44:44 GMT
By all means, no sugar coating. I liked the word just fine with the point I was making. What suggestions do you have? I think 'tyrant' is just fine for the point you were making.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 10, 2020 10:46:00 GMT
I liked the word just fine with the point I was making. What suggestions do you have? I think 'tyrant' is just fine for the point you were making. 
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Post by The Lost One on Dec 10, 2020 10:46:14 GMT
Very, very few...unless it’s the vapid people who have a social status to protect...see royalty...but then they’re not humanists. No, but, both communism & humanism are atheistic ideologies. Humanism isn't atheistic per se, the idea is that religion is unnecessary for the flourishing of human virtue. But one can be both humanist and religious. One can even be an overtly secular humanist and yet believe in God. Though many secular humanists are atheists, some quite militantly so. Many of the pre-Marxist communists were religious - Thomas More was a Catholic saint who was also a communist and a humanist! Marx was an atheist but it was a very different atheism from the likes of Richard Dawkins. Marx argued that religious belief grew not out of ignorance, but out of class warfare - the ruling class clung to religion to justify their power (think of the divine rule of kings) while the underclass clung to religion as a source of hope that a more just world would come about. Marx believed that religion would naturally wither away as class conflict was addressed. Marxists have varied in their attitudes to religion. Some have been atheist but have left religion alone to "wither away". Some have sought to actively eliminate religion and some have actually encouraged religion (Stalin for example initially persecuted the Orthodox Church but later encouraged it). And then of course, liberation theology married Marxist ideas with Christian concepts of liberation. It flourished in South and Central America though the US has done its best to try and stamp it out. Modern communists continue to have a very mixed attitude to religion. In my experience, the Trotskyists and Left Communists tend to be more hostile to religion than the Marxist-Leninists. But regardless of views on how to handle religion, atheism is still very common outside of liberation theology. As for communism and LGBT rights - again it's a very mixed bag. Engels seems to have been at least something of a homophobe but there's no evidence Marx was. Soviet Russia decriminalised homosexuality - the first modern country to do so. But oppressive laws against LGBT people still existed in some of the other socialist republics. Stalin later recriminalised it - about the same time he started promoting the Orthodox Church. Cuba has had a lot of historical hostility to homosexuality - predating the revolution. It has become more tolerant since the 1990s. Completely contrary to what happened in the USSR, tolerance of LGBT people came at a time of increased tolerance of religion there. Most modern communists are pro-LGBT, often linking oppression of LGBT people to class conflict. While homophobia amongst communists (at least in the west) is near non-existent now, there is some transphobia in some communist circles who take the side of the liberal second-wave feminists in seeing trans rights in opposition to women's rights. These are definitely a minority in the communist movement though.
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Post by Admin on Dec 10, 2020 10:50:45 GMT
I think 'tyrant' is just fine for the point you were making.  But I don't agree with it.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 10, 2020 10:51:40 GMT
But I don't agree with it. That's cool! You haven't really given me much input to work with.
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Post by Admin on Dec 10, 2020 11:00:53 GMT
But I don't agree with it. That's cool! You haven't really given me much input to work with. I was working with yours, Cheese.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 10, 2020 11:04:14 GMT
That's cool! You haven't really given me much input to work with. I was working with yours, Cheese. Oh, I know what you were doing, yet I am now keen to know why you don't agree with it, now that you have finally admitted to it.
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