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Post by Admin on Dec 10, 2020 11:32:17 GMT
I was working with yours, Cheese. Oh, I know what you were doing, yet I am now keen to know why you don't agree with it, now that you have finally admitted to it. Finally admitted it? lol. I've been telling you why since my first reply to you in this thread.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 10, 2020 11:44:25 GMT
Oh, I know what you were doing, yet I am now keen to know why you don't agree with it, now that you have finally admitted to it. Finally admitted it? lol. I've been telling you why since my first reply to you in this thread. Why what? That Christianity through the ages hasn't been "tyrannical" and many wars haven't been fought over power and glory all in the name of a Christian God? That to become a person of humility and nobility like Christ, one has to be Christian in the religious belief sense only, regardless of denomination? You can't get out of it that easily Admin.
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Post by clusium on Dec 10, 2020 15:25:14 GMT
There is no difference between the spirituality of Christianity & Islam, & the spirituality of Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, Confucianism, Native American/First Nation, Jainism, etc.
If you say that Christianity & Islam are mega tyrants, then so are the rest. If you say that you can corner Christians & Muslims in their beliefs. Then you can do so with the rest. Way to miss the point gf, and deliberately so. It is just being obtuse to ignore what I have already commented on about the DIFFERENCE'S between Islam, Christianity, and I will throw Judaism into the same melting pot, compared to the rest and then pretend there is no difference. Superiority of belief in a creator God creates nothing but conflict and the tyranny of many wars have been shrouded by these religious orders. There is no difference. Religion is a culture that is centred upon the worship of God or gods.
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Post by The Lost One on Dec 10, 2020 15:35:26 GMT
Way to miss the point gf, and deliberately so. It is just being obtuse to ignore what I have already commented on about the DIFFERENCE'S between Islam, Christianity, and I will throw Judaism into the same melting pot, compared to the rest and then pretend there is no difference. Superiority of belief in a creator God creates nothing but conflict and the tyranny of many wars have been shrouded by these religious orders. There is no difference. Religion is a culture that is centred upon the worship of God or gods. I think what Cheese is saying is that the Abrahamic religions differ from other religions in that they enforce their religious beliefs on others while other religions are live and let live. It's not really accurate though. For example, the predominantly Muslim Rohingya people of Myanmar are persecuted by the majority Buddhists in part for their religious beliefs.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Dec 10, 2020 15:55:31 GMT
Way to miss the point gf, and deliberately so. It is just being obtuse to ignore what I have already commented on about the DIFFERENCE'S between Islam, Christianity, and I will throw Judaism into the same melting pot, compared to the rest and then pretend there is no difference. Superiority of belief in a creator God creates nothing but conflict and the tyranny of many wars have been shrouded by these religious orders. There is no difference. Religion is a culture that is centred upon the worship of God or gods. The difference is some religions seem to think theirs is the only way to worship god and all others should be abolished or converted. Those religions are wrong.
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Post by clusium on Dec 10, 2020 16:17:25 GMT
There is no difference. Religion is a culture that is centred upon the worship of God or gods. I think what Cheese is saying is that the Abrahamic religions differ from other religions in that they enforce their religious beliefs on others while other religions are live and let live. It's not really accurate though. For example, the predominantly Muslim Rohingya people of Myanmar are persecuted by the majority Buddhists in part for their religious beliefs. That's right.
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Post by clusium on Dec 10, 2020 16:19:36 GMT
There is no difference. Religion is a culture that is centred upon the worship of God or gods. The difference is some religions seem to think theirs is the only way to worship god and all others should be abolished or converted. Those religions are wrong. See The Lost One's answer. Buddhists in Myanmar have persecuted Muslims in recent years.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Dec 10, 2020 16:58:10 GMT
The difference is some religions seem to think theirs is the only way to worship god and all others should be abolished or converted. Those religions are wrong. See The Lost One 's answer. Buddhists in Myanmar have persecuted Muslims in recent years. See Christianity for centuries.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Dec 10, 2020 17:21:31 GMT
Way to miss the point gf, and deliberately so. It is just being obtuse to ignore what I have already commented on about the DIFFERENCE'S between Islam, Christianity, and I will throw Judaism into the same melting pot, compared to the rest and then pretend there is no difference. Superiority of belief in a creator God creates nothing but conflict and the tyranny of many wars have been shrouded by these religious orders. There is no difference. Religion is a culture that is centred upon the worship of God or gods. On the surface, but no human is resistant to being politically manipulated by the folks who control the religion causing the faithful to act against the very teachings of that religion or human decency. Nor does it mean these well-meaning (by their understanding of the phrase) folks won’t do some evil things in the name of God. How many wars have been fought in the name of God? And do you think that’s what God wants? For people to suffer especially when they don’t have to? Especially when these men have the ability to make peace. Just look at Christianity. How many very religious people surround Trump filling his head with whatever garbage he wants to hear? Yet they are Good Christians. They believe they are advancing the Kingdom of God just like you do. I’ve yet to see you outraged over the handling of Covid in this nation or just about any other antiAmerican, antiChristian move he and the GOP have done. If nothing else, you could condemn the criminal incompetence of the current administration, if not its policies. But from you, crickets. So you may be Christian, you’re not very good one. Maybe I’m being unfair to you, if so here’s your chance to correct me.
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Post by clusium on Dec 10, 2020 20:45:50 GMT
There is no difference. Religion is a culture that is centred upon the worship of God or gods. On the surface, but no human is resistant to being politically manipulated by the folks who control the religion causing the faithful to act against the very teachings of that religion or human decency. Nor does it mean these well-meaning (by their understanding of the phrase) folks won’t do some evil things in the name of God. How many wars have been fought in the name of God? And do you think that’s what God wants? For people to suffer especially when they don’t have to? Especially when these men have the ability to make peace. Just look at Christianity. How many very religious people surround Trump filling his head with whatever garbage he wants to hear? Yet they are Good Christians. They believe they are advancing the Kingdom of God just like you do. I’ve yet to see you outraged over the handling of Covid in this nation or just about any other antiAmerican, antiChristian move he and the GOP have done. If nothing else, you could condemn the criminal incompetence of the current administration, if not its policies. But from you, crickets. So you may be Christian, you’re not very good one. Maybe I’m being unfair to you, if so here’s your chance to correct me. As I've already told you, I am Canadian, not American. I have my own politicians to bitch about. Justin Trudeau is disaster, & yet managed to get into power a second time around, which means we here in Canada have to put up with his B.S. for about another 3 years (our most recent federal election was a year ago).
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Dec 10, 2020 20:53:20 GMT
On the surface, but no human is resistant to being politically manipulated by the folks who control the religion causing the faithful to act against the very teachings of that religion or human decency. Nor does it mean these well-meaning (by their understanding of the phrase) folks won’t do some evil things in the name of God. How many wars have been fought in the name of God? And do you think that’s what God wants? For people to suffer especially when they don’t have to? Especially when these men have the ability to make peace. Just look at Christianity. How many very religious people surround Trump filling his head with whatever garbage he wants to hear? Yet they are Good Christians. They believe they are advancing the Kingdom of God just like you do. I’ve yet to see you outraged over the handling of Covid in this nation or just about any other antiAmerican, antiChristian move he and the GOP have done. If nothing else, you could condemn the criminal incompetence of the current administration, if not its policies. But from you, crickets. So you may be Christian, you’re not very good one. Maybe I’m being unfair to you, if so here’s your chance to correct me. As I've already told you, I am Canadian, not American. I have my own politicians to bitch about. Justin Trudeau is disaster, & yet managed to get into power a second time around, which means we here in Canada have to put up with his B.S. for about another 3 years (our most recent federal election was a year ago). Neat dodge. But how does that absolve you from judging Trump based upon your own value system? And the damage he’s doing isn’t confined to US borders. And don’t give me the “it’s God’s place to judge” BS.
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Post by clusium on Dec 10, 2020 21:20:20 GMT
As I've already told you, I am Canadian, not American. I have my own politicians to bitch about. Justin Trudeau is disaster, & yet managed to get into power a second time around, which means we here in Canada have to put up with his B.S. for about another 3 years (our most recent federal election was a year ago). Neat dodge. But how does that absolve you from judging Trump based upon your own value system? And the damage he’s doing isn’t confined to US borders. And don’t give me the “it’s God’s place to judge” BS. I'm not giving you the "It's God Place to Judge." Its for Americans to decide (& it looks like they decided against him). Trump is conceited. That much was pretty clear long before he ever even went into politics. BTW, I'm not really into politics, which is why I never really discuss the matter. That is why it is extremely rare to even find me on the Politics message forum here on IMDB2.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Dec 10, 2020 21:27:23 GMT
Neat dodge. But how does that absolve you from judging Trump based upon your own value system? And the damage he’s doing isn’t confined to US borders. And don’t give me the “it’s God’s place to judge” BS. I'm not giving you the "It's God Place to Judge." Its for Americans to decide (& it looks like they decided against him). Trump is conceited. That much was pretty clear long before he ever even went into politics. BTW, I'm not really into politics, which is why I never really discuss the matter. That is why it is extremely rare to even find me on the Politics message forum here on IMDB2. I’ll except that, however you’d should pay more attention. How you treat human bodies is how you treat their souls. Ignoring what’s happening will not save you from anything.
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Post by Admin on Dec 10, 2020 22:31:23 GMT
Finally admitted it? lol. I've been telling you why since my first reply to you in this thread. Why what? That Christianity through the ages hasn't been "tyrannical" and many wars haven't been fought over power and glory all in the name of a Christian God? That to become a person of humility and nobility like Christ, one has to be Christian in the religious belief sense only, regardless of denomination? You can't get out of it that easily Admin. Yeah, I don’t think Jesus would be very pleased with them, either. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 11, 2020 10:34:27 GMT
Way to miss the point gf, and deliberately so. It is just being obtuse to ignore what I have already commented on about the DIFFERENCE'S between Islam, Christianity, and I will throw Judaism into the same melting pot, compared to the rest and then pretend there is no difference. Superiority of belief in a creator God creates nothing but conflict and the tyranny of many wars have been shrouded by these religious orders. There is no difference. Religion is a culture that is centred upon the worship of God or gods. You are evading the point being made again clu. It is the "manner" in which the religion endorses itself and the need for dominance of belief and how it gets used to control the masses based with propagated beliefs shrouded in fear, ignorance and oppression.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 11, 2020 10:37:38 GMT
There is no difference. Religion is a culture that is centred upon the worship of God or gods. I think what Cheese is saying is that the Abrahamic religions differ from other religions in that they enforce their religious beliefs on others while other religions are live and let live. It's not really accurate though. For example, the predominantly Muslim Rohingya people of Myanmar are persecuted by the majority Buddhists in part for their religious beliefs. These are anomalies that are not indicative of the wider picture though regarding these live and let live religions. The exception has never been the general rule. It is the subset or even subterfuge only.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 11, 2020 10:40:29 GMT
Why what? That Christianity through the ages hasn't been "tyrannical" and many wars haven't been fought over power and glory all in the name of a Christian God? That to become a person of humility and nobility like Christ, one has to be Christian in the religious belief sense only, regardless of denomination? You can't get out of it that easily Admin. Yeah, I don’t think Jesus would be very pleased with them, either. Well, to my understanding, if Christ was really humble and noble, he would have just accepted everything for all that it is, being what it is and not passed any judgement or condemnation. According to scripture, he had a hissy fit in the money-lenders temple for breaching his teachings, but then again, Jesus was only human right?
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Post by Winter_King on Dec 11, 2020 11:57:04 GMT
“With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.” ― Steven Weinberg I'd say it takes fear for good people to do bad things. Religion is in large part a fear based idea. Ignorance + fear = religion. 
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Post by Winter_King on Dec 11, 2020 12:05:57 GMT
Yeah, I don’t think Jesus would be very pleased with them, either. Well, to my understanding, if Christ was really humble and noble, he would have just accepted everything for all that it is, being what it is and not passed any judgement or condemnation. According to scripture, he had a hissy fit in the money-lenders temple for breaching his teachings, but then again, Jesus was only human right? The guy cursed a fig tree. I don't know of any human that had a beef with local flora.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 11, 2020 12:09:39 GMT
Well, to my understanding, if Christ was really humble and noble, he would have just accepted everything for all that it is, being what it is and not passed any judgement or condemnation. According to scripture, he had a hissy fit in the money-lenders temple for breaching his teachings, but then again, Jesus was only human right? The guy cursed a fig tree. I don't know of any human that had a beef with local flora. Well, like all religious doctrine, there will be some made up and selective reasoning behind the parable of it all that won't make any darn sense.
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