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Post by Feologild Oakes on Dec 12, 2020 11:17:54 GMT
So out of the lets say 4 core members of the Scooby Gang, Buffy, Willow, Xander and Giles. Which one is your least favorite member ?
For me its Xander.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Dec 14, 2020 14:25:27 GMT
When I first started watching, I would've said Xander, since he's the one I could probably relate to the most in terms of humor and personality.
But as I grow up, I find myself really liking Giles.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Dec 14, 2020 14:30:47 GMT
When I first started watching, I would've said Xander, since he's the one I could probably relate to the most in terms of humor and personality. But as I grow up, I find myself really liking Giles. The question was least favorite, not favorite.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Dec 14, 2020 16:06:43 GMT
When I first started watching, I would've said Xander, since he's the one I could probably relate to the most in terms of humor and personality. But as I grow up, I find myself really liking Giles. The question was least favorite, not favorite. Ha! I totally misread it. In that case, I honestly don't think I have a least favorite. If I had to though, I'd say Buffy since she's the one I was least like in high school.
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Post by Catman on Dec 14, 2020 16:37:12 GMT
The question was least favorite, not favorite. Ha! I totally misread it. In that case, I honestly don't think I have a least favorite. If I had to though, I'd say Buffy since she's the one I was least like in high school. What? You didn't go around slaying vampires when you were younger?
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Post by PreachCaleb on Dec 15, 2020 14:17:09 GMT
Ha! I totally misread it. In that case, I honestly don't think I have a least favorite. If I had to though, I'd say Buffy since she's the one I was least like in high school. What? You didn't go around slaying vampires when you were younger? No, I did. I just wasn't as stylish about it as Buffy.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Dec 16, 2020 1:22:51 GMT
Xander, without hesitation. Honestly, I didn't mind him for the longest time, but slowly over the years as I re-watch the show again and again, and also watching a lot of Buffy reactors on YouTube and kind of seeing the show through a fresh perspective, Xander's kind of a tool throughout the entire series; and has the least amount of personal growth. Don't get me wrong, in terms of going out and finding a job that allows for a level of financial security and maturity, he does change; and it's nice that he finds something he's good at. But apart from occasionally fixing up the Summers house after an attack, a) it really isn't much of a plot point that's all that relevant to the stories; and b) he's still more than capable of being the same insufferable douche he was in high school at the drop of a hat. Even when he makes a valid point, he almost always brings it up in a way that makes you want to punch him.
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Post by mmexis on Dec 16, 2020 3:47:32 GMT
This is going to be unpopular, but I'm going to say Willow. As I've gotten older, I dislike her more. Very selfish. Xander is annoying, but I can see him as the everyman, no superpower person that he is meant to be.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Dec 16, 2020 18:59:40 GMT
This is going to be unpopular, but I'm going to say Willow. As I've gotten older, I dislike her more. Very selfish. Xander is annoying, but I can see him as the everyman, no superpower person that he is meant to be. I definitely don't disagree with you on Willow. She's kind of the flip side of the coin of Xander. She can be all sweet and innocent - until she doesn't get what she wants. People often say the arc leading to Dark Willow only really started later, particularly as she began to use her magic more often, but the qualities were there from the very beginning. One of the earliest instances that often comes to mind is, "I, Robot, You, Jane," where she flies off the handle when Buffy expresses concern that "Malcolm" may not be who Willow thinks he is; and becomes very defensive about her judgement being questioned. It may not have been intentional, but it felt like a precursor to her disagreement with Giles in season 6, after he calls her an arrogant, rank amateur; and she fires back that she's very powerful and he shouldn't piss her off. We get another taste of it again in season 4, when she performs the "thy will be done" spell; and proceeds to throw a pity party for herself for anyone and everyone within earshot. Don't get me wrong, she deserved to be depressed about how things went down with Oz, and she should also have wanted her friends to help her through it, but she took a very selfish view on the whole thing. Plus even before we meet her, she's already an established hacker. The whole series just paints the picture of a character who is self-assured in her own judgement to the point of hubris. Even when she made mistakes with something like her magic, rather than learning from them or realizing that that could be an indication that she might make a mistake again in the future and to tread cautiously, she convinces herself that she'll never make a mistake after that; that those were aberrations and anything she does afterwards should never be doubted - by her or anyone else. And when they do, she takes personal offense about, like they're impugning her intelligence or the core of her ability to function. She has a lot of the hallmarks of a megalomaniac; and I've often thought her storyline in season 6 more closely parallel's Warren's own story of self-aggrandizement rather than one of addiction.
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Post by dazz on Dec 17, 2020 1:19:14 GMT
Willow, she cheats on Oz for a prolonged period of time, gets forgiven and given sympathy for getting caught, aaw poor Willow, Oz "cheats" on her as wolf what two times, never intentionally and again it's aaw poor Willow? and now it's not just poor Willow but Oz you dirty stinky cheater how could you? oh then she throws herself a pity party and fucks with her friends lives and again it's all poor Willow? some one needed to slap that bitch.
Plus you know seemingly mooching off of Buffy who was being the slayer as well as parenting Dawn and having to work to support the house, leaving Amy to be a rat until Willow just randomly decides oh I need my magic buddy back, I dunno her later seasons make her feel much more selfish and dickish to me, god bless Alyson for being so adorable it took years for me to look past that and see the other side of things, still cute Willow is adorable as fuck.
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Post by maxwellperfect on Dec 17, 2020 3:41:45 GMT
Xander.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Dec 20, 2020 0:45:31 GMT
Willow, she cheats on Oz for a prolonged period of time, gets forgiven and given sympathy for getting caught, aaw poor Willow, Oz "cheats" on her as wolf what two times, never intentionally and again it's aaw poor Willow? and now it's not just poor Willow but Oz you dirty stinky cheater how could you? oh then she throws herself a pity party and fucks with her friends lives and again it's all poor Willow? some one needed to slap that bitch. Plus you know seemingly mooching off of Buffy who was being the slayer as well as parenting Dawn and having to work to support the house, leaving Amy to be a rat until Willow just randomly decides oh I need my magic buddy back, I dunno her later seasons make her feel much more selfish and dickish to me, god bless Alyson for being so adorable it took years for me to look past that and see the other side of things, still cute Willow is adorable as fuck. What's interesting, and I assume Alyson is a wonderful, well adjusted person in real life; or at least I hope she is - but her character of Lily on How I Met Your Mother takes a similar arc over time. She starts off as this fun, outgoing girlfriend/fiancé to Marshall, but she very quickly becomes this manipulative, vindictive and very petty person. And there's just that little voice in the back of my mind thinking how, a lot of times writers end up blurring the lines between character and actor over the long span of a series; ostensibly as consequence to them getting to know one another and having a harder time differentiating who the actor is and who the character is supposed to be. And we have two very different characters played by the same actress, who kind of follows a similar path in a certain sense, but I really want to believe that that's just a coincidence; and I'm probably really overthinking. I'm definitely overthinking it. I hope.
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Post by dazz on Dec 20, 2020 1:04:21 GMT
Willow, she cheats on Oz for a prolonged period of time, gets forgiven and given sympathy for getting caught, aaw poor Willow, Oz "cheats" on her as wolf what two times, never intentionally and again it's aaw poor Willow? and now it's not just poor Willow but Oz you dirty stinky cheater how could you? oh then she throws herself a pity party and fucks with her friends lives and again it's all poor Willow? some one needed to slap that bitch. Plus you know seemingly mooching off of Buffy who was being the slayer as well as parenting Dawn and having to work to support the house, leaving Amy to be a rat until Willow just randomly decides oh I need my magic buddy back, I dunno her later seasons make her feel much more selfish and dickish to me, god bless Alyson for being so adorable it took years for me to look past that and see the other side of things, still cute Willow is adorable as fuck. What's interesting, and I assume Alyson is a wonderful, well adjusted person in real life; or at least I hope she is - but her character of Lily on How I Met Your Mother takes a similar arc over time. She starts off as this fun, outgoing girlfriend/fiancé to Marshall, but she very quickly becomes this manipulative, vindictive and very petty person. And there's just that little voice in the back of my mind thinking how, a lot of times writers end up blurring the lines between character and actor over the long span of a series; ostensibly as consequence to them getting to know one another and having a harder time differentiating who the actor is and who the character is supposed to be. And we have two very different characters played by the same actress, who kind of follows a similar path in a certain sense, but I really want to believe that that's just a coincidence; and I'm probably really overthinking. I'm definitely overthinking it. I hope. I assume it's just because Alyson is so naturally cute and adorable thats a default, but then the fun comes in pushing her characters into doing more than that, she even has that in the American Pie films, except there instead of being a bitch she's a kinky sex nut, also on HIMYM pretty much everyone of that gang are dicks to some extent so it's like meh whatever. I could see it being more that Alyson enjoys going against type and playing her characters in more weird and funny ways, I also think Lily in HIMYM kind of feels like a blend between Willow and Michelle, so unless we think Alyson is also a sex mad kinky bitch then I would more assume it's the writers just mixing her two more famous characters into one to try and get a recipe for success.
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Post by mmexis on Dec 22, 2020 4:31:42 GMT
While I appreciate that Willow was always getting picked on, she always reminds me of that line from Hamlet that one can "smile and smile and be a villain".
She certainly got her digs in when she wanted to. And she was stubborn as hell. As was previously mentioned, very petty and mean when she didn't get her way.
I remember reading somewhere that when Joss wanted ratings to go up, Willow would be put in danger.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Dec 22, 2020 19:30:34 GMT
While I appreciate that Willow was always getting picked on, she always reminds me of that line from Hamlet that one can "smile and smile and be a villain". She certainly got her digs in when she wanted to. And she was stubborn as hell. As was previously mentioned, very petty and mean when she didn't get her way. I remember reading somewhere that when Joss wanted ratings to go up, Willow would be put in danger. That's always been one of the reasons I've never been able to get on board with the "magic are drugs" storyline. Despite Giles talking about Ripper days and the "extraordinary high" the one spell he, Ethan and the others did, they hadn't really established that the kind of magic Willow was doing had that sort of effect or that she was chasing either the proverbial or literal dragon. She was clearly doing everything she was doing, not because of any euphoric effect or physical dependency of the magic, but because of the power and sense of importance. Anytime someone, namely Giles, but also later Tara, questioned whether she should or could do a type of spell, she took offense and acted like they were impugning her intelligence, rather than asking out of genuine concern; either for her or for the ethical implications for performing some of the spells she was trying to do.
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Post by redcharge on Mar 25, 2021 11:57:06 GMT
xander
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Post by Ass_E9 on Mar 25, 2021 22:16:12 GMT
I was ready to spew Scrappy Doo hate, but apparently this is not the place.
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Post by femalefan on Mar 26, 2021 0:48:42 GMT
It's a tie between Willow and Xander.
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Post by redcharge on Mar 26, 2021 15:37:55 GMT
It's a tie between Willow and Xander. i like willow but i think reason alot of folks got to where they hated her is because of how selfish her character became in the final two seasons. using her magic to bring buffy back regardless of how the others felt using her magic to manipulate tara whom was halfway insane after her fight with glory. almost killing giles her character really became selfish during the final two seasons she does redeem herself soon after but her selfishness overshadows
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Post by lordarvidthexiii on Apr 11, 2021 4:06:53 GMT
So out of the lets say 4 core members of the Scooby Gang, Buffy, Willow, Xander and Giles. Which one is your least favorite member ? For me its Xander. Cordelia Never thought she was that great of a character.
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