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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2020 21:07:37 GMT
movieweb.com/dark-knight-rises-christopher-nolan-bane-tom-hardy/Christopher Nolan: "There's no safety net for any of these guys and Tom, I mean what he did with that character has yet to be fully appreciated. It's an extraordinary performance, and truly amazing. The voice, the relationship between just seeing the eyes and the brow. We had all these discussions about the mask and what it would reveal and what it wouldn't reveal, and one of the things I remember him saying to me, he sort of put his finger up to his temple and his eyebrow and said 'Can you give me this to play with? Let people see this.' Sure enough, you see there in the film, this kind of Brando-esque brow, expressing all kinds of just monstrous things. It's really quite a performance." ———————— Well, that’s not a true statement. A) Everyone agrees Tom Hardy’s Bane was the best part of TDKR B) If you (Nolan) respected his performance so much. Why didn’t you write him a better 3rd act/ending. C) I like Nolan’s films, but damn. Lately he’s getting on my nerves. Like he is the authority on the movie industry, telling WB why their HBO Max decision sucks and telling fans what they should like and not like in his films, and telling people who criticize his inaudible sound mix in Tenet (Which I agree with the criticism) that it’s a creative choice like cinematography or visual editing. Aka, I’m making up excuses. Dude has a god complex. Chill bro, you are a good director but you ain’t Francis Ford Coppola or Stanley Kubrick. And Tom Hardy isn’t Marlon Brando.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Dec 12, 2020 21:11:51 GMT
For you.
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Dec 12, 2020 21:14:09 GMT
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Post by moviemouth on Dec 13, 2020 3:19:35 GMT
Bane is one of my favorite movie villains, but Nolan's ego is getting out of hand in this case.
He's acting like Bane in TDKR doesn't have a huge fanbase already.
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Dec 13, 2020 5:16:17 GMT
I didnt like TDKR but Bane was cool.
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on Dec 13, 2020 6:27:46 GMT
I still haven't seen The Dark Knight Rises. And I'm a huge Batman fan. Bought the blu ray last year and all.
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Post by madmikev20 on Dec 13, 2020 6:47:03 GMT
Bane's death was meant to be anticlimactic; it was a reference to Michael Mann, Steven Soderbergh, Martin Scorsese crime films where main characters that have their character development built up, just die at an unpredictable point in time, in such an effortless way, and then the plot moves along.
Val Kilmer's death was like this in Heat, as was Leonardo DiCaprio's death in The Departed, Brad Pitt in Running with Scissors, John Travolta in Pulp Fiction.
We have grown accustomed that major villains in film should have long, eventful deaths. We accept a random civilian may die from the a graze of a bullet, but we want our villains to be exploded into pieces, fall of ledges, or to be mutilated into ashes.
Take Joker's death in Batman 89; his death was very climactic and built up, from the gatling hook around the leg while he's trying to climb the helicopter, to Batman hanging on for his life. It's great, but those deaths are common and have become a cliche at this point. Nolan's intentional technique was to do it differently: have Bane built up in the first act, but drop him by the 3rd.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Dec 13, 2020 10:30:13 GMT
Bane's death was meant to be anticlimactic; it was a reference to Michael Mann, Steven Soderbergh, Martin Scorsese crime films where main characters that have their character development built up, just die at an unpredictable point in time, in such an effortless way, and then the plot moves along. Val Kilmer's death was like this in Heat, as was Leonardo DiCaprio's death in The Departed, Brad Pitt in Running with Scissors, John Travolta in Pulp Fiction. Val Kilmer didn't die in Heat, and Brad Pitt wasn't in Running With Scissors. :/ I'm not sure I agree with the logic, anyway. Neither of the actual deaths you mentioned were glossed over or insignificant. Bane was reduced to a glorified henchman and died 30 seconds later accordingly.
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Post by Ransom on Dec 13, 2020 12:15:16 GMT
Bane's death was meant to be anticlimactic; it was a reference to Michael Mann, Steven Soderbergh, Martin Scorsese crime films where main characters that have their character development built up, just die at an unpredictable point in time, in such an effortless way, and then the plot moves along. Val Kilmer's death was like this in Heat, as was Leonardo DiCaprio's death in The Departed, Brad Pitt in Running with Scissors, John Travolta in Pulp Fiction. Val Kilmer didn't die in Heat, and Brad Pitt wasn't in Running With Scissors. :/ I'm not sure I agree with the logic, anyway. Neither of the actual deaths you mentioned were glossed over or insignificant. Bane was reduced to a glorified henchman and died 30 seconds later accordingly. Bane has always been a glorified henchman and I don't think his death was anticlimactic but it was unintentionally funny and the only best thing about Anne Hathaway's Catwoman.
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Post by politicidal on Dec 13, 2020 17:18:14 GMT
I liked his version of Bane a lot. But I disliked his death scene. Should had been a more epic showdown with Bruce Wayne than that.
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Post by Ransom on Dec 13, 2020 17:44:25 GMT
I liked his version of Bane a lot. But I disliked his death scene. Should had been a more epic showdown with Bruce Wayne than that. The two had been old man fighting forever before that seriously Catwoman did us all a favour.
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Post by Marv on Dec 13, 2020 20:13:47 GMT
As is already said...most agree Bane was one of the best things about TDKR, if not the best thing about it...so I’m not sure why he feels nobody appreciates Hardy’s performance.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2020 23:12:56 GMT
As is already said...most agree Bane was one of the best things about TDKR, if not the best thing about it...so I’m not sure why he feels nobody appreciates Hardy’s performance. It’s as if he cannot accept that TDKR overall isn’t accepted as good as the first two. But for some reason he thinks because Tom Hardy was so amazing, it fixes its plot holes? Or perhaps he misunderstood why Batman fans don’t like it as much?
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Post by sdrew13163 on Dec 14, 2020 1:53:51 GMT
I’m not sure why this is creating such a fuss, he’s literally just saying it to compliment Hardy...
But he’s also a little behind if you ask me. When it first released, there were a decent amount of people disappointed in Bane simply because he didn’t surpass Ledger’s Joker.
Now Bane seems pretty universally liked and well known. I’m always a little surprised how often his voice/mask are referenced in pop culture/every day interaction.
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Post by moviemouth on Dec 14, 2020 2:05:33 GMT
I’m not sure why this is creating such a fuss, he’s literally just saying it to compliment Hardy... But he’s also a little behind if you ask me. When it first released, there were a decent amount of people disappointed in Bane simply because he didn’t surpass Ledger’s Joker. Now Bane seems pretty universally liked and well known. I’m always a little surprised how often his voice/mask are referenced in pop culture/every day interaction. It is creating such a fuss because it seems like he is out of the loop and talking down to people who dislike something.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Dec 14, 2020 6:51:40 GMT
I’m not sure why this is creating such a fuss, he’s literally just saying it to compliment Hardy... But he’s also a little behind if you ask me. When it first released, there were a decent amount of people disappointed in Bane simply because he didn’t surpass Ledger’s Joker. Now Bane seems pretty universally liked and well known. I’m always a little surprised how often his voice/mask are referenced in pop culture/every day interaction. It is creating such a fuss because it seems like he is out of the loop and talking down to people who dislike something. Yeah, it's pretty condescending.
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Post by moviemouth on Dec 14, 2020 7:03:41 GMT
It is creating such a fuss because it seems like he is out of the loop and talking down to people who dislike something. Yeah, it's pretty condescending. Also, is it really a big fuss that people are making about Christopher Nolan's comments? I wouldn't say that anybody has said this is a big deal. A big fuss is reactions to The Last Jedi.
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Post by jonesjxd on Dec 14, 2020 16:44:42 GMT
You're absolutely right, Bane was on course to rival Joker in Dark Knight Rises, but Nolan decided to railroad his character in the third act as a sacrifice to Marion Cottilards truly terrible performance as Talia Ghul. This also gave us the most cringe scene of the trilogy when she stabs Batman in the side and he sits there with a truly horrified look on his face as she explains the entire movie to him.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Dec 14, 2020 19:39:03 GMT
What a whiny crybaby. "Oh wah, why don't people appreciate my brilliance! The way I rewrote him from a cunning assassin to a boring, generic cult leader was brilliant!"
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Post by Jason143 on Dec 14, 2020 19:54:48 GMT
The last few Nolan interviews on a variety of subjects hes come across as really arrogant and snobby. Perhaps hes always been like that
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