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Post by OpiateOfTheMasses on Dec 17, 2020 23:43:09 GMT
Whether or not they show where life begins is not relevant since no one disputes that a newly fertilised egg is 'alive' - even if not a 'child' or an 'infant'. But if you can really only find one passage in the whole of scripture which sees untimely ripping from the womb in a negative light (the same number of times as being told not to collect firewood on Sundays) and even then not in a context of child welfare, when there are numerous examples of child killing in a justified way in the Bible, notably by God Himself - or ordered by Him - then your argument is in trouble. God Is the Author of life. When a person dies, it is By the Will Of God, even if that person lives to be a 101 & of natural causes. WE have no right to take human life. Thou shalt not kill is for us, as we are all equal in the Eyes Of God. So why did the Catholic Church wait until 2018 to decide it was against the Death Penalty? Was it (and by extension God) in favour of it beforehand? The Catholic Church certainly seemed to be happy executing large numbers of people through a lot of it's history...? Were they wrong then? And were they wrong when they ordered the Crusades? It seems confusing.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Dec 17, 2020 23:43:49 GMT
An Abbess is not a Bishop because they are not and cannot be ordained. You are really lying hard to yourself today. But you are right that an abbess in the Medieval days had influence in the community where their convents were because instead of praying all the time, they would help the surrounding poor people with their farms, teaching new techniques and treating the sick and dying. Then the bishops shut them down and often persecuted the nuns for being too liberal. I never said that an abbess was a bishop. I said that an abbess was equal to a bishop. No, I am not lying to myself, nor anyone else. If a bishop can order an abbess around, they’re hardly equal. Anyway, as good and loyal a Catholic you are, since you’re female. you may never perform the Eucharist rite. Never. You’re only allowed to wash the linen. On the other hand, being a queer male does not prevent me from becoming a priest. As a matter of fact, since I’ve complete most of the diaconate training, I can go right into the seminary now. Since they’re desperate for priests, I’m sure they’d welcome me open arms. Not you though. You’re not welcome.
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Post by clusium on Dec 18, 2020 0:01:26 GMT
God Is the Author of life. When a person dies, it is By the Will Of God, even if that person lives to be a 101 & of natural causes. WE have no right to take human life. Thou shalt not kill is for us, as we are all equal in the Eyes Of God. So why did the Catholic Church wait until 2018 to decide it was against the Death Penalty? Was it (and by extension God) in favour of it beforehand? The Catholic Church certainly seemed to be happy executing large numbers of people through a lot of it's history...? Were they wrong then? And were they wrong when they ordered the Crusades? It seems confusing. There have been people within the Catholic Church that opposed the Death Penalty before 2018. Pope John Paul II & St. Teresa of Kolkata had both appealed to American presidents for clemency of some death row inmates, themselves. Yes, they were wrong to execute people in the past. This was acknowledged way back in 2000. Surely you are aware of that, are you not?
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Post by clusium on Dec 18, 2020 0:02:25 GMT
I never said that an abbess was a bishop. I said that an abbess was equal to a bishop. No, I am not lying to myself, nor anyone else. If a bishop can order an abbess around, they’re hardly equal. Anyway, as good and loyal a Catholic you are, since you’re female. you may never perform the Eucharist rite. Never. You’re only allowed to wash the linen. On the other hand, being a queer male does not prevent me from becoming a priest. As a matter of fact, since I’ve complete most of the diaconate training, I can go right into the seminary now. Since they’re desperate for priests, I’m sure they’d welcome me open arms. Not you though. You’re not welcome. I'm really crushed that I will never be able to administer the Sacraments (sarcasm).
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Dec 18, 2020 0:08:30 GMT
If a bishop can order an abbess around, they’re hardly equal. Anyway, as good and loyal a Catholic you are, since you’re female. you may never perform the Eucharist rite. Never. You’re only allowed to wash the linen. On the other hand, being a queer male does not prevent me from becoming a priest. As a matter of fact, since I’ve complete most of the diaconate training, I can go right into the seminary now. Since they’re desperate for priests, I’m sure they’d welcome me open arms. Not you though. You’re not welcome. I'm really crushed that I will never be able to administer the Sacraments (sarcasm). You should be. The Catholic Church might be a decent place today if the boys hadn’t boogered it up. But you like seeing the old ways. The bells and smells. Flickering votives and clicking rosaries. Statues and icons. It is was very spiritually sense oriented. I get it. The mass hasn’t been the same since they adopted the new liturgy and ran off half the nuns and half the priests left to get married. Now you can’t tell us from Episcopalians.
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Post by HeCantStandStill on Dec 18, 2020 0:09:31 GMT
If a bishop can order an abbess around, they’re hardly equal. Anyway, as good and loyal a Catholic you are, since you’re female. you may never perform the Eucharist rite. Never. You’re only allowed to wash the linen. On the other hand, being a queer male does not prevent me from becoming a priest. As a matter of fact, since I’ve complete most of the diaconate training, I can go right into the seminary now. Since they’re desperate for priests, I’m sure they’d welcome me open arms. Not you though. You’re not welcome. How do you feel about being a second class citizen in the Catholic Church? The church hasn't exactly caught up with the western world. Maybe that's why men think of women as their property and make all their decisions for them.
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Post by clusium on Dec 18, 2020 0:18:51 GMT
I'm really crushed that I will never be able to administer the Sacraments (sarcasm). You should be. The Catholic Church might be a decent place today if the boys hadn’t boogered it up. But you like seeing the old ways. The bells and smells. Flickering votives and clicking rosaries. Statues and icons. It is was very spiritually sense oriented. I get it. The mass hasn’t been the same since they adopted the new liturgy and ran off half the nuns and half the priests left to get married. Now you can’t tell us from Episcopalians. The irony of your post is, I was born after Vatican II. The only Mass I have ever really known is the Novus Ordo Mass. And no, I'm still not upset that I will never be ordained as a priest.
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Post by clusium on Dec 18, 2020 0:19:53 GMT
I'm really crushed that I will never be able to administer the Sacraments (sarcasm). How do you feel about being a second class citizen in the Catholic Church? The church hasn't exactly caught up with the western world. Maybe that's why men think of women as their property and make all their decisions for them. I'm not a second class citizen in the Church. We are all brothers & sisters. There is nothing stopping a woman from dedicating her life to God & His Church, if that is her calling.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Dec 18, 2020 0:25:38 GMT
You should be. The Catholic Church might be a decent place today if the boys hadn’t boogered it up. But you like seeing the old ways. The bells and smells. Flickering votives and clicking rosaries. Statues and icons. It is was very spiritually sense oriented. I get it. The mass hasn’t been the same since they adopted the new liturgy and ran off half the nuns and half the priests left to get married. Now you can’t tell us from Episcopalians. The irony of your post is, I was born after Vatican II. The only Mass I have ever really known is the Novus Ordo Mass. And no, I'm still not upset that I will never be ordained as a priest. How about your daughter. How does she feel about it?
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Post by HeCantStandStill on Dec 18, 2020 0:31:04 GMT
How do you feel about being a second class citizen in the Catholic Church? The church hasn't exactly caught up with the western world. Maybe that's why men think of women as their property and make all their decisions for them. I'm not a second class citizen in the Church. We are all brothers & sisters. There is nothing stopping a woman from dedicating her life to God & His Church, if that is her calling. If you say so. I see you really drank the Kool Aid on this one.
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Post by clusium on Dec 18, 2020 0:34:37 GMT
The irony of your post is, I was born after Vatican II. The only Mass I have ever really known is the Novus Ordo Mass. And no, I'm still not upset that I will never be ordained as a priest. How about your daughter. How does she feel about it? Don't have any kids.
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Post by clusium on Dec 18, 2020 0:35:08 GMT
I'm not a second class citizen in the Church. We are all brothers & sisters. There is nothing stopping a woman from dedicating her life to God & His Church, if that is her calling. If you say so. I see you really drank the Kool Aid on this one. Haven't drank kool aid in years.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Dec 18, 2020 0:38:55 GMT
How about your daughter. How does she feel about it? Don't have any kids. Then you failing the Church. Get pregnant, woman. Making babies is why God made you female. And stay in kitchen till we tell you to come out. And you’re right, I wouldn’t want the Body and Blood of Christ coming from female hands either. She might be on her period and would contaminate it.
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Post by HeCantStandStill on Dec 18, 2020 0:44:26 GMT
Then you failing the Church. Get pregnant, woman. Making babies is why God made you female. And stay in kitchen till we tell you to come out. And you’re right, I wouldn’t want the Body and Blood of Christ coming from female hands either. She might be on her period and would contaminate it. Catholic view on Women - They should be barefoot and pregnant cookin dinner for their husband.
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Post by HeCantStandStill on Dec 18, 2020 0:45:46 GMT
If you say so. I see you really drank the Kool Aid on this one. Haven't drank kool aid in years. It's a figure of speech, a Jonestown thing. You can respond when a woman becomes Pope.
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Post by clusium on Dec 18, 2020 0:49:06 GMT
Then you failing the Church. Get pregnant, woman. Making babies is why God made you female. And stay in kitchen till we tell you to come out. And you’re right, I wouldn’t want the Body and Blood of Christ coming from female hands either. She might be on her period and would contaminate it. Aye Aye, mon capitan. And for the record, being on one's period is torture!!
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Post by clusium on Dec 18, 2020 0:49:32 GMT
Haven't drank kool aid in years. It's a figure of speech, a Jonestown thing. You can respond when a woman becomes Pope. Yes, I know where it came from.
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Post by HeCantStandStill on Dec 18, 2020 0:56:52 GMT
It's a figure of speech, a Jonestown thing. You can respond when a woman becomes Pope. Yes, I know where it came from. Sure - if you say so...
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Dec 18, 2020 0:59:33 GMT
Then you failing the Church. Get pregnant, woman. Making babies is why God made you female. And stay in kitchen till we tell you to come out. And you’re right, I wouldn’t want the Body and Blood of Christ coming from female hands either. She might be on her period and would contaminate it. Aye Aye, mon capitan. And for the record, being on one's period is torture!! It is a curse being born that way, you know. That you got a second class soul and all because of what one woman did ten thousand years when the Earth was still very young. And you shouldn’t beg for sympathy. Bare all things in humility of your station, Woman: Daughter of Jezebel. It’s God will and He just read what you wrote. So.... Have you ever been to an old Latin Mass?
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Post by clusium on Dec 18, 2020 1:00:18 GMT
Aye Aye, mon capitan. And for the record, being on one's period is torture!! It is a curse being born that way, you know. That you got a second class soul and all because of what one woman did ten thousand years when the Earth was still very young. And you shouldn’t beg for sympathy. Bare all things in humility of your station, Woman: Daughter of Jezebel. It’s God will and He just read what you wrote. So.... Have you ever been to an old Latin Mass? Attended one once. Seems really nice.
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