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Post by darkreviewer2013 on Dec 22, 2020 7:20:23 GMT
Just watched it again last night. Very playful, tongue-in-cheek updating of the classic tale for the 80s.
Bill Murray is in top form here. Easily his third best movie after Groundhog Day and Ghostbusters. A funny movie that actually has moments of genuine emotion.
Richard Donner really was on a roll back in the 80s.
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Post by moviemouth on Dec 22, 2020 7:25:12 GMT
Bill Murray is funny as usual and the movie has a couple scenes that work very well, but the overall script is lousy.
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on Dec 22, 2020 7:29:42 GMT
Bill Murray is funny as usual and the movie has a couple scenes that work very well, but the overall script is lousy. What didn't you like about the script?
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Post by moviemouth on Dec 22, 2020 7:31:14 GMT
Bill Murray is funny as usual and the movie has a couple scenes that work very well, but the overall script is lousy. What didn't you like about the script? It isn't funny. The stuff with Carol Kane is especially bad.
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on Dec 22, 2020 7:33:35 GMT
What didn't you like about the script? It isn't funny. The stuff with Carol Kane is especially bad. It's no Groundhog Day. I'll give you that. And sure, there are funnier comedies out there. But it entertained me plenty.
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Post by moviemouth on Dec 22, 2020 7:36:11 GMT
It isn't funny. The stuff with Carol Kane is especially bad. It's no Groundhog Day. I'll give you that. And sure, there are funnier comedies out there. But it entertained me plenty. I'm glad. Roger Ebert nailed some of the reasons it doesn't work. I like it more than he did, but his first paragraph I mostly agree with. “Scrooged is one of the most disquieting, unsettling films to come along in quite some time. It was obviously intended as a comedy, but there is little comic about it, and indeed the movie’s overriding emotions seem to be pain and anger. This entire production seems to be in dire need of visits from the ghosts of Christmas." www.rogerebert.com/reviews/scrooged-1988
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on Dec 22, 2020 7:46:21 GMT
It's no Groundhog Day. I'll give you that. And sure, there are funnier comedies out there. But it entertained me plenty. I'm glad. Roger Ebert nailed some of the reasons it doesn't work. I like it more than he did, but his first paragraph I mostly agree with. “Scrooged is one of the most disquieting, unsettling films to come along in quite some time. It was obviously intended as a comedy, but there is little comic about it, and indeed the movie’s overriding emotions seem to be pain and anger. This entire production seems to be in dire need of visits from the ghosts of Christmas." www.rogerebert.com/reviews/scrooged-1988 Thanks for the link. I enjoy reading/watching Ebert's old reviews, even though I frequently find myself disagreeing with him. Although I will concede that Murray's final speech is far from the greatest piece of written monologue and I'm not entirely convinced about that ending.
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Post by moviemouth on Dec 22, 2020 7:53:58 GMT
I'm glad. Roger Ebert nailed some of the reasons it doesn't work. I like it more than he did, but his first paragraph I mostly agree with. “Scrooged is one of the most disquieting, unsettling films to come along in quite some time. It was obviously intended as a comedy, but there is little comic about it, and indeed the movie’s overriding emotions seem to be pain and anger. This entire production seems to be in dire need of visits from the ghosts of Christmas." www.rogerebert.com/reviews/scrooged-1988Thanks for the link. I enjoy reading/watching Ebert's old reviews, even though I frequently find myself disagreeing with him. I disagree with him that Bill Murray isn't funny in it and I think the first 1/3 of the movie is effective, but much of movie comes off as mean-spirited. The ghosts of Christmas past and present are unpleasant assholes for example. The movie is too at odds with the source material imo. The stuff with Bobcat Goldthwait is suppose to be comedic, but is too unpleasant to be funny. I rate it 5/10.
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Post by Xcalatë on Dec 22, 2020 9:07:01 GMT
One of my favorite Christmas movies, try to watch it every Christmas.
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on Dec 22, 2020 9:07:50 GMT
Thanks for the link. I enjoy reading/watching Ebert's old reviews, even though I frequently find myself disagreeing with him. I disagree with him that Bill Murray isn't funny in it and I think the first 1/3 of the movie is effective, but much of movie comes off as mean-spirited. The ghosts of Christmas past and present are unpleasant assholes for example. The movie is too at odds with the source material imo. The stuff with Bobcat Goldthwait is suppose to be comedic, but is too unpleasant to be funny. I rate it 5/10. The ghosts are indeed assholes. On that we're in full agreement. I understand where you're coming from when you talk about mean-spiritedness, but I just accept that as part and parcel of the comedic slapstick violence that's common to a certain type of comedy ranging from Tom and Jerry to Home Alone.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2020 12:23:20 GMT
Lee Majors in “The Night the Reindeer Died”
Kills me every time.
“You know what they say about treating people bad on the way up?”
“Yeah, you get to treat them bad on the way down. You get two opportunities.”
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2020 12:24:16 GMT
Bill Murray is funny as usual and the movie has a couple scenes that work very well, but the overall script is lousy. It goes to show you how amazing Bill Murray is as a comedian and actor. He carries this film on his back. It could have been a bad film with a lesser comedian. |
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Post by moviemouth on Dec 22, 2020 16:11:55 GMT
Bill Murray is funny as usual and the movie has a couple scenes that work very well, but the overall script is lousy. It goes to show you how amazing Bill Murray is as a comedian and actor. He carries this film on his back. It could have been a bad film with a lesser comedian. It is a bad film imo.
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Post by moviemouth on Dec 22, 2020 16:15:08 GMT
I disagree with him that Bill Murray isn't funny in it and I think the first 1/3 of the movie is effective, but much of movie comes off as mean-spirited. The ghosts of Christmas past and present are unpleasant assholes for example. The movie is too at odds with the source material imo. The stuff with Bobcat Goldthwait is suppose to be comedic, but is too unpleasant to be funny. I rate it 5/10. The ghosts are indeed assholes. On that we're in full agreement. I understand where you're coming from when you talk about mean-spiritedness, but I just accept that as part and parcel of the comedic slapstick violence that's common to a certain type of comedy ranging from Tom and Jerry to Home Alone. It works in cartoons and Home Alone, because those understand how to balance different types of humor and the context is also different.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2020 16:17:13 GMT
It goes to show you how amazing Bill Murray is as a comedian and actor. He carries this film on his back. It could have been a bad film with a lesser comedian. It is a bad film imo. Imagine if it didn’t have his humor how bad it could have been? |
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Post by moviemouth on Dec 22, 2020 16:26:00 GMT
Imagine if it didn’t have his humor how bad it could have been? Oh, it could have been awful. The only movie I don't like Bill Murray in is What About Bob? One of the most irritating and unfunny performances I have ever seen.
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Post by Spitfire926f on Dec 22, 2020 17:57:23 GMT
Bill Murray is funny as usual and the movie has a couple scenes that work very well, but the overall script is lousy. It goes to show you how amazing Bill Murray is as a comedian and actor. He carries this film on his back. It could have been a bad film with a lesser comedian. I always felt like it was written with him in mind. No one else could have played it the way he did, it suited his style perfectly. I own this one and enjoy the cynical humor and the less cynical ending. Not as good as the classic story, but I think the modern twist works. When you see all the ghosts together at the end, it wraps it up nicely. |
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Post by kolchak92 on Dec 22, 2020 19:23:44 GMT
Personally I love it but I know it's a film many people hate for whatever reason.
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Post by novastar6 on Dec 22, 2020 19:30:46 GMT
I always loved this movie, but as a kid I didn't understand a LOT of it especially where the ghosts were concerned.
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Post by Spitfire926f on Dec 22, 2020 19:49:57 GMT
I disagree with him that Bill Murray isn't funny in it and I think the first 1/3 of the movie is effective, but much of movie comes off as mean-spirited. The ghosts of Christmas past and present are unpleasant assholes for example. The movie is too at odds with the source material imo. The stuff with Bobcat Goldthwait is suppose to be comedic, but is too unpleasant to be funny. I rate it 5/10. The ghosts are indeed assholes. On that we're in full agreement. I understand where you're coming from when you talk about mean-spiritedness, but I just accept that as part and parcel of the comedic slapstick violence that's common to a certain type of comedy ranging from Tom and Jerry to Home Alone. I also think they were mean-spirited because that was the only thing Murray's Frank would respond to. He himself was the most mean-spirited character in the film. The ghosts were the only characters Frank wasn't able to bully. I personally loved the ghost of Christmas past. He was my favorite character in the film. |
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