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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Dec 22, 2020 20:06:58 GMT
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Post by lowtacks86 on Dec 22, 2020 20:13:00 GMT
Don't worry, I'm sure they're willing to make exceptions for people like Ben Carson and Candace Owens
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Dec 22, 2020 20:29:11 GMT
Don't worry, I'm sure they're willing to make exceptions for people like Ben Carson and Candace Owens They could claim Odin is their granddaddy. That dude got around.
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Post by goz on Dec 22, 2020 22:38:45 GMT
Gee, a church for white people. That's novel. 
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Dec 22, 2020 22:57:59 GMT
It’s not a church, but there’s not a lot to be done about it. These folks have freedom of religion and if their faith says only certain people can join, that’s their right.
However, I don’t think the Viking and germanic pagans themselves were racists. When the Norse invaders settled in, they intermarried with the locals. However, there’s not a lot known about them, so who knows. But this racism in this New Age Religion is a modern projection of plain old American bigotry.
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Post by Isapop on Dec 22, 2020 23:15:25 GMT
It’s not a church, but there’s not a lot to be done about it. These folks have freedom of religion and if their faith says only certain people can join, that’s their right. The permit appears to have been granted on the basis of it being a church, and the city didn't want to get into a religious freedom legal battle. And the organization is recognized as a non-profit religious organization. So, it's certainly legally recognized as a church. How (as I asked on the other board) are they going to enforce its "whites only" policy? If some black people decided to attend a meeting, will the pastor call the police?
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Dec 22, 2020 23:27:48 GMT
It’s not a church, but there’s not a lot to be done about it. These folks have freedom of religion and if their faith says only certain people can join, that’s their right. The permit appears to have been granted on the basis of it being a church, and the city didn't want to get into a religious freedom legal battle. And the organization is recognized as a non-profit religious organization. So, it's certainly legally recognized as a church. How (as I asked on the other board) are they going to enforce its "whites only" policy? If some black people decided to attend a meeting, will the pastor call the police? Legally it’s a church, I guess, but the Asatru are not Christians, they’re Odinists which is new age bullshit religion. However, many churches, mosques, and synagogues practice sexism, if not overt racism, within the “church” and it’s their legal right to do so. The Catholic Church does not hire woman priests. Some temples and all mosques practice sex segregation. And yes, they can call the police. The Mormons have temples that only a Mormon may enter. Any non-Mormon who tries will have the police call on them. Same thing.
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Post by Isapop on Dec 23, 2020 1:33:27 GMT
The permit appears to have been granted on the basis of it being a church, and the city didn't want to get into a religious freedom legal battle. And the organization is recognized as a non-profit religious organization. So, it's certainly legally recognized as a church. How (as I asked on the other board) are they going to enforce its "whites only" policy? If some black people decided to attend a meeting, will the pastor call the police? And yes, they can call the police. The Mormons have temples that only a Mormon may enter. Any non-Mormon who tries will have the police call on them. Same thing. In one way it's the same thing. But in another way, it's very different. If I were a cop, I'd much rather deal with that non-Mormon than to drag a peaceful black churchgoer out of church with a "Whites Only" sign.
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Post by politicidal on Dec 23, 2020 1:33:54 GMT
The permit appears to have been granted on the basis of it being a church, and the city didn't want to get into a religious freedom legal battle. And the organization is recognized as a non-profit religious organization. So, it's certainly legally recognized as a church. How (as I asked on the other board) are they going to enforce its "whites only" policy? If some black people decided to attend a meeting, will the pastor call the police? Legally it’s a church, I guess, but the Asatru are not Christians, they’re Odinists which is new age bullshit religion. However, many churches, mosques, and synagogues practice sexism, if not overt racism, within the “church” and it’s their legal right to do so. The Catholic Church does not hire woman priests. Some temples and all mosques practice sex segregation. And yes, they can call the police. The Mormons have temples that only a Mormon may enter. Any non-Mormon who tries will have the police call on them. Same thing. That pos avalon guy will probably convert to join this group.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Dec 23, 2020 1:47:21 GMT
And yes, they can call the police. The Mormons have temples that only a Mormon may enter. Any non-Mormon who tries will have the police call on them. Same thing. In one way it's the same thing. But in another way, it's very different. If I were a cop, I'd much rather deal with that non-Mormon than to drag a peaceful black churchgoer out of church with a "Whites Only" sign. Why would a black person want to worship Odin, Thor, and the other Aesir gods? I’m not defending this racist “church,” but they have a religious doctrine that excludes anyone who is not of the Norse and Celtic tribal blood. There are no tests for what qualifies as a religion in the US so long as they are not violating civil law like sacrificing cats since that falls under animal cruelty laws. And churches are private institutions. And I daresay the angry petitioners protesting this church are more against the paganism than the racism. Most white and black churches self-segregation anyway. The reason we have Southern Baptists is because they rejected the greater Baptist’s head quartered in the North anti-slavery and social gospel stance.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Dec 23, 2020 1:59:06 GMT
Apparently, the Asatru Folk Assembly is a neo-nazi group offshoot of the greater Asatru movement which rejects racism.
They have an assembly or “hof” near Ft Bragg...one of the largest Army bases in the world. Imagine that. Bunch of freaks.
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Post by Isapop on Dec 23, 2020 2:09:40 GMT
In one way it's the same thing. But in another way, it's very different. If I were a cop, I'd much rather deal with that non-Mormon than to drag a peaceful black churchgoer out of church with a "Whites Only" sign. Why would a black person want to worship Odin, Thor, and the other Aesir gods? I don't know. But I can imagine a gutsy and principled black person wanting to attend a meeting that's billed "Whites Only". Maybe more than one. I think it would be great if some white people teamed with them. They could pair up. Then, when somebody tells them, "He can't come in", the white replies, "It's Okay, he's with me". Is the church really going call the cops? I'm not questioning the legality of their rule. But I really wonder if they're committed to the sheer ugliness of enforcing it.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Dec 23, 2020 21:08:17 GMT
And yes, they can call the police. The Mormons have temples that only a Mormon may enter. Any non-Mormon who tries will have the police call on them. Same thing. In one way it's the same thing. But in another way, it's very different. If I were a cop, I'd much rather deal with that non-Mormon than to drag a peaceful black churchgoer out of church with a "Whites Only" sign. Churches are not businesses and they can put up a Whites Only sign. Because we have free speech and free assembly in the horribly inadequate USA. Just like you can keep anybody out of your home if they are not invited.
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Post by Isapop on Dec 23, 2020 23:16:40 GMT
In one way it's the same thing. But in another way, it's very different. If I were a cop, I'd much rather deal with that non-Mormon than to drag a peaceful black churchgoer out of church with a "Whites Only" sign. Churches are not businesses and they can put up a Whites Only sign. Because we have free speech and free assembly in the horribly inadequate USA. Just like you can keep anybody out of your home if they are not invited. Like I say, I don't dispute the legality.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Dec 23, 2020 23:24:37 GMT
Churches are not businesses and they can put up a Whites Only sign. Because we have free speech and free assembly in the horribly inadequate USA. Just like you can keep anybody out of your home if they are not invited. Like I say, I don't dispute the legality. And I seriously doubt a black person would want to join the First Church of Odin.
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Post by Isapop on Dec 23, 2020 23:31:05 GMT
Like I say, I don't dispute the legality. And I seriously doubt a black person would want to join the First Church of Odin. I'm getting the feeling you missed my previous comment. I'll post it again: But I can imagine a gutsy and principled black person wanting to attend a meeting that's billed "Whites Only". Maybe more than one. I think it would be great if some white people teamed with them. They could pair up. Then, when somebody tells them, "He can't come in", the white replies, "It's Okay, he's with me". Is the church really going call the cops? I'm not questioning the legality of their rule. But I really wonder if they're committed to the sheer ugliness of enforcing it.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Dec 23, 2020 23:37:41 GMT
And I seriously doubt a black person would want to join the First Church of Odin. I'm getting the feeling you missed my previous comment. I'll post it again: But I can imagine a gutsy and principled black person wanting to attend a meeting that's billed "Whites Only". Maybe more than one. I think it would be great if some white people teamed with them. They could pair up. Then, when somebody tells them, "He can't come in", the white replies, "It's Okay, he's with me". Is the church really going call the cops? I'm not questioning the legality of their rule. But I really wonder if they're committed to the sheer ugliness of enforcing it. I get it, but why do you assume a black person would want to do this? Why not white person crashing a Nation of Islam (no whites allowed) meeting?
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Post by Isapop on Dec 24, 2020 0:06:01 GMT
I'm getting the feeling you missed my previous comment. I'll post it again: But I can imagine a gutsy and principled black person wanting to attend a meeting that's billed "Whites Only". Maybe more than one. I think it would be great if some white people teamed with them. They could pair up. Then, when somebody tells them, "He can't come in", the white replies, "It's Okay, he's with me". Is the church really going call the cops? I'm not questioning the legality of their rule. But I really wonder if they're committed to the sheer ugliness of enforcing it. I get it, but why do you assume a black person would want to do this? Why not white person crashing a Nation of Islam (no whites allowed) meeting? A "Blacks only" restriction doesn't have the "hate that needs to be challenged" history in this country that the "Whites only" restriction has. It doesn't offend me that a Nation Of Islam service would not admit me into a meeting. But I can easily see how a black person would be offended by a church that won't admit him, and I can see how it might cross his mind to challenge it by showing up.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Dec 24, 2020 0:27:57 GMT
I get it, but why do you assume a black person would want to do this? Why not white person crashing a Nation of Islam (no whites allowed) meeting? A "Blacks only" restriction doesn't have the "hate that needs to be challenged" history in this country that the "Whites only" restriction has. It doesn't offend me that a Nation Of Islam service would not admit me into a meeting. But I can easily see how a black person would be offended by a church that won't admit him, and I can see how it might cross his mind to challenge it by showing up. You’re overthinking this. However, if you feel that strongly about it, go there wearing yarmulke and tell me what happened.
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Post by Isapop on Dec 24, 2020 0:35:50 GMT
A "Blacks only" restriction doesn't have the "hate that needs to be challenged" history in this country that the "Whites only" restriction has. It doesn't offend me that a Nation Of Islam service would not admit me into a meeting. But I can easily see how a black person would be offended by a church that won't admit him, and I can see how it might cross his mind to challenge it by showing up. You’re overthinking this. However, if you feel that strongly about it, go there wearing yarmulke and tell me what happened. I don't think I'm overthinking it. Nation Of Islam not being open to whites doesn't make the news. But some little church declaring itself "Whites Only" does make the news. That's a good indication right there that the general public wouldn't see them in the same light.
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