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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 6:51:15 GMT
This post makes me very sad. 😰 Me too. I love going to the theater to watch movies, but I don't see how it doesn't happen. Maybe there will be some saving grace, but barring that I think this is where we are going. I really don’t think that it is. COVID will go away one day. And it’s really up to us what we want to keep and what we want to change. I’m confident that theaters will return stronger than ever. I usually only go twice a year. Now I vow to go dozens of times. And I’m sure others feel the same. No more taking things for granted.
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Post by Vassaggo on Dec 27, 2020 6:58:49 GMT
Me too. I love going to the theater to watch movies, but I don't see how it doesn't happen. Maybe there will be some saving grace, but barring that I think this is where we are going. I really don’t think that it is. COVID will go away one day. And it’s really up to us what we want to keep and what we want to change. I’m confident that theaters will return stronger than ever. I usually only go twice a year. Now I vow to go dozens of times. And I’m sure others feel the same. No more taking things for granted. I hope you are right and I'm wrong. Covid is a problem, but I think that there was a problem before Covid. The Cinema industry and Model was declining before Covid, what kept it alive was big Event Movies more so every year. I think the pattern of people just going to event movies started well before Covid, but Covid accelerated it. I don't think that Cinema will every truly die. It just will be something completely different than we are used to right now. Speaking of the industry changing, add to it if the big movie chains don't get help soon, go bankrupt, and the studios like Disney and WB buy them then it will accelerate the change. I have no clue what that change will be if that happens though.
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Post by Jason143 on Dec 27, 2020 14:40:01 GMT
Sad to hear that. I really despise this new streaming culture. Hearing fellow employees at work saying they binge watched a show over the weekend and such. Makes me feel like society is getting lazier and lazier and we are being conditioned to stay on our butts at home to give an illusion of having a good time.
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Post by senan90 on Dec 27, 2020 15:20:03 GMT
Sure is. If there’s an opportunity of making something convenient and accessible, it’ll succeed. Only the minority of deluded purists/cinephiles think otherwise.
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Post by senan90 on Dec 27, 2020 15:22:39 GMT
Sad to hear that. I really despise this new streaming culture. Hearing fellow employees at work saying they binge watched a show over the weekend and such. Makes me feel like society is getting lazier and lazier and we are being conditioned to stay on our butts at home to give an illusion of having a good time. Hate to break it Jason but that’s life. Change is inevitable. I’m sure the older people complain about you not going to church on Sunday morning and not having your Sunday roast at 1pm.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 19:39:24 GMT
Sad to hear that. I really despise this new streaming culture. Hearing fellow employees at work saying they binge watched a show over the weekend and such. Makes me feel like society is getting lazier and lazier and we are being conditioned to stay on our butts at home to give an illusion of having a good time. I agree. I fucking hate it. I’m so sick of the word streeeeeeaaaaaming that I want to punch anyone that says it.
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 28, 2020 0:03:43 GMT
Me too. I love going to the theater to watch movies, but I don't see how it doesn't happen. Maybe there will be some saving grace, but barring that I think this is where we are going. I really don’t think that it is. COVID will go away one day. And it’s really up to us what we want to keep and what we want to change. I’m confident that theaters will return stronger than ever. I usually only go twice a year. Now I vow to go dozens of times. And I’m sure others feel the same. No more taking things for granted. Yeah but Covid isn't going away anytime soon. Based on how the vaccine is being rolled out (if it works), it won't be at least till late 2021 when things return to normal... and that's only for first world countries and I'm being extremely optimistic with that timeline. In the meantime, what are movies supposed to do? Just never release?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 0:34:30 GMT
I really don’t think that it is. COVID will go away one day. And it’s really up to us what we want to keep and what we want to change. I’m confident that theaters will return stronger than ever. I usually only go twice a year. Now I vow to go dozens of times. And I’m sure others feel the same. No more taking things for granted. Yeah but Covid isn't going away anytime soon. Based on how the vaccine is being rolled out (if it works), it won't be at least till late 2021 when things return to normal... and that's only for first world countries and I'm being extremely optimistic with that timeline. In the meantime, what are movies supposed to do? Just never release? If it’s temporary then fine. I don’t mind it as a limited strategy.
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 28, 2020 0:50:22 GMT
Yeah but Covid isn't going away anytime soon. Based on how the vaccine is being rolled out (if it works), it won't be at least till late 2021 when things return to normal... and that's only for first world countries and I'm being extremely optimistic with that timeline. In the meantime, what are movies supposed to do? Just never release? If it’s temporary then fine. I don’t mind it as a limited strategy. You might not mind it but the studios will. They have completed movies that are not doing anything except collect dust in the shelf. And without making movies and releasing them, how are they generating income? Plus when you get to the big franchises like Marvel, you have to remember that pushing back one movie will push back the entire scheduling they have for other projects.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 3:53:50 GMT
If it’s temporary then fine. I don’t mind it as a limited strategy. You might not mind it but the studios will. They have completed movies that are not doing anything except collect dust in the shelf. And without making movies and releasing them, how are they generating income? Plus when you get to the big franchises like Marvel, you have to remember that pushing back one movie will push back the entire scheduling they have for other projects. No that’s not what I meant. I meant that i don’t mind the STREAMING releases as long as they are temporary.
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 28, 2020 4:01:51 GMT
You might not mind it but the studios will. They have completed movies that are not doing anything except collect dust in the shelf. And without making movies and releasing them, how are they generating income? Plus when you get to the big franchises like Marvel, you have to remember that pushing back one movie will push back the entire scheduling they have for other projects. No that’s not what I meant. I meant that i don’t mind the STREAMING releases as long as they are temporary. Ah, got it. And yes, I agree. I prefer streaming at the moment but still want the movie experience when things normalize.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Dec 28, 2020 4:26:10 GMT
You might not mind it but the studios will. They have completed movies that are not doing anything except collect dust in the shelf. And without making movies and releasing them, how are they generating income? Plus when you get to the big franchises like Marvel, you have to remember that pushing back one movie will push back the entire scheduling they have for other projects. No that’s not what I meant. I meant that i don’t mind the STREAMING releases as long as they are temporary. well, no matter what else you do DON'T CROSS THE STREAMS!
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Post by blockbusted on Jan 2, 2021 17:50:09 GMT
I can see the day and it's coming sooner than I thought, that movie cinemas become more like Play/Opera/Ballet Houses. Back in the day they were everywhere and was one of the main sources of entertainment. Slowly they went out of favor for Cinemas. You could only find good ones and ones that showed every day in localized cities (NYC London etc). And everywhere else plays/operas/ballet was a special event that only happened a few times a year. I can see movies cinemas doing that. Only special occasions/event movies will be held in theaters and only in the bigger cities. A few select cities like the largest will have cinema showings all the time whereas places like Charlotte, Atlanta, Seattle, etc will just have the event ones. The towns, villages, and very small cities won't have movie cinemas anymore. Unless they can multitask as theaters for plays, and the like. I don't necessarily think that's true. Sure, there will certainly be changes happening, but I wouldn't be surprised if there are no shortage of cinemas still operating in the U.S. and in foreign countries after this is all over. Keep in mind, Feige has stated that you go to cinemas to experience something that you can't get in streaming services in the very same interview, which makes sense since something like Endgame wouldn't exactly work on streaming services - in all sorts of different ways. For instance, streaming services are not very likely to be able to make tentpole films successful all by themselves as evident from Netflix not making a lot of big-budget films despite having a lot of success. Also, I don't think films are comparable to plays/operas/ballet because those need actual people to perform on-stage, which doesn't apply to films - like, at all.
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 2, 2021 18:05:23 GMT
I can see the day and it's coming sooner than I thought, that movie cinemas become more like Play/Opera/Ballet Houses. Back in the day they were everywhere and was one of the main sources of entertainment. Slowly they went out of favor for Cinemas. You could only find good ones and ones that showed every day in localized cities (NYC London etc). And everywhere else plays/operas/ballet was a special event that only happened a few times a year. I can see movies cinemas doing that. Only special occasions/event movies will be held in theaters and only in the bigger cities. A few select cities like the largest will have cinema showings all the time whereas places like Charlotte, Atlanta, Seattle, etc will just have the event ones. The towns, villages, and very small cities won't have movie cinemas anymore. Unless they can multitask as theaters for plays, and the like. I don't necessarily think that's true. Sure, there will certainly be changes happening, but I wouldn't be surprised if there are no shortage of cinemas still operating in the U.S. and in foreign countries after this is all over. Keep in mind, Feige has stated that you go to cinemas to experience something that you can't get in streaming services in the very same interview, which makes sense since something like Endgame wouldn't exactly work on streaming services - in all sorts of different ways. For instance, streaming services are not very likely to be able to make tentpole films successful all by themselves as evident from Netflix not making a lot of big-budget films despite having a lot of success. Also, I don't think films are comparable to plays/operas/ballet because those need actual people to perform on-stage, which doesn't apply to films - like, at all. The problem isn't that movie theaters might no longer want to reopen one this is over, the problem is whether they still have enough money to be in business. Having almost zero revenue for more than a year would cripple almost any business. Things won't return to normal till at least end of 2021, and by then no theaters might be left at all even if audiences still want to go to the movies.
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Post by blockbusted on Jan 2, 2021 18:14:38 GMT
I don't necessarily think that's true. Sure, there will certainly be changes happening, but I wouldn't be surprised if there are no shortage of cinemas still operating in the U.S. and in foreign countries after this is all over. Keep in mind, Feige has stated that you go to cinemas to experience something that you can't get in streaming services in the very same interview, which makes sense since something like Endgame wouldn't exactly work on streaming services - in all sorts of different ways. For instance, streaming services are not very likely to be able to make tentpole films successful all by themselves as evident from Netflix not making a lot of big-budget films despite having a lot of success. Also, I don't think films are comparable to plays/operas/ballet because those need actual people to perform on-stage, which doesn't apply to films - like, at all. The problem isn't that movie theaters might no longer want to reopen one this is over, the problem is whether they still have enough money to be in business. Having almost zero revenue for more than a year would cripple almost any business. Things won't return to normal till at least end of 2021, and by then no theaters might be left at all even if audiences still want to go to the movies. Even if things don't go back to normal immediately, things could still get better by some time in mid-2021 if the infection rates goes down, and if that happens, films could start becoming profitable again in cinemas. Also, one thing I would like to mention is that Paramount Decree, which stops major studios from owning cinema chains, is now history. If the worst case scenario happens like that, I wouldn't be hugely surprised if studios start their own cinema chains given that tentpole films aren't very likely to become successful without those (keep in mind, it's likely that Trolls World Tour and Mulan ultimately became financial deficits despite initial successes). Finally, if we go by that kind of logic, almost all sorts of businesses might not be left at all from restaurant, cafe, and so on - and I honestly have a hard time finding that a realistic scenario. Even introverts aren't complete hermits for the most part.
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 2, 2021 19:11:09 GMT
The problem isn't that movie theaters might no longer want to reopen one this is over, the problem is whether they still have enough money to be in business. Having almost zero revenue for more than a year would cripple almost any business. Things won't return to normal till at least end of 2021, and by then no theaters might be left at all even if audiences still want to go to the movies. Even if things don't go back to normal immediately, things could still get better by some time in mid-2021 if the infection rates goes down, and if that happens, films could start becoming profitable again in cinemas. Also, one thing I would like to mention is that Paramount Decree, which stops major studios from owning cinema chains, is now history. If the worst case scenario happens like that, I wouldn't be hugely surprised if studios start their own cinema chains given that tentpole films aren't very likely to become successful without those (keep in mind, it's likely that Trolls World Tour and Mulan ultimately became financial deficits despite initial successes). Finally, if we go by that kind of logic, almost all sorts of businesses might not be left at all from restaurant, cafe, and so on - and I honestly have a hard time finding that a realistic scenario. Even introverts aren't complete hermits for the most part. In a lot of places, restaurants are still open despite being on lockdown because they're allowed some form of diminished service, like providing take-out. That's not something the movie theaters can offer. They're either open or they're not. Food is also considered a more essential service than entertainment so governments are generally more lenient with restaurants than theaters. If you want a better comparison, look at martial arts dojos and gyms. I used to work part time in a martial arts school and I think I was only about to teach a total of 8 classes since the pandemic started. Majority of schools have simply closed. The infection rate won't really go down till the vaccine has been implemented properly across majority of a city's population, and that’s not going to happen till late 2021.
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Post by politicidal on Jan 2, 2021 19:16:24 GMT
No that’s not what I meant. I meant that i don’t mind the STREAMING releases as long as they are temporary. well, no matter what else you do DON'T CROSS THE STREAMS!
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Post by blockbusted on Jan 2, 2021 21:42:00 GMT
Even if things don't go back to normal immediately, things could still get better by some time in mid-2021 if the infection rates goes down, and if that happens, films could start becoming profitable again in cinemas. Also, one thing I would like to mention is that Paramount Decree, which stops major studios from owning cinema chains, is now history. If the worst case scenario happens like that, I wouldn't be hugely surprised if studios start their own cinema chains given that tentpole films aren't very likely to become successful without those (keep in mind, it's likely that Trolls World Tour and Mulan ultimately became financial deficits despite initial successes). Finally, if we go by that kind of logic, almost all sorts of businesses might not be left at all from restaurant, cafe, and so on - and I honestly have a hard time finding that a realistic scenario. Even introverts aren't complete hermits for the most part. In a lot of places, restaurants are still open despite being on lockdown because they're allowed some form of diminished service, like providing take-out. That's not something the movie theaters can offer. They're either open or they're not. Food is also considered a more essential service than entertainment so governments are generally more lenient with restaurants than theaters. If you want a better comparison, look at martial arts dojos and gyms. I used to work part time in a martial arts school and I think I was only about to teach a total of 8 classes since the pandemic started. Majority of schools have simply closed. The infection rate won't really go down till the vaccine has been implemented properly across majority of a city's population, and that’s not going to happen till late 2021. I think you might've misinterpreted some of those words. If what Fauci has said is to be believed, the vaccine could become widely available by April, and I think that was before we've started to hear good news about vaccines. In other words, we could see some significant-enough recovery by mid-2021 to a point where something like cinemas can operate better than they can right now. Gyms and martial arts schools might be bit of different stories, though.
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 3, 2021 4:02:45 GMT
In a lot of places, restaurants are still open despite being on lockdown because they're allowed some form of diminished service, like providing take-out. That's not something the movie theaters can offer. They're either open or they're not. Food is also considered a more essential service than entertainment so governments are generally more lenient with restaurants than theaters. If you want a better comparison, look at martial arts dojos and gyms. I used to work part time in a martial arts school and I think I was only about to teach a total of 8 classes since the pandemic started. Majority of schools have simply closed. The infection rate won't really go down till the vaccine has been implemented properly across majority of a city's population, and that’s not going to happen till late 2021. I think you might've misinterpreted some of those words. If what Fauci has said is to be believed, the vaccine could become widely available by April, and I think that was before we've started to hear good news about vaccines. In other words, we could see some significant-enough recovery by mid-2021 to a point where something like cinemas can operate better than they can right now. Gyms and martial arts schools might be bit of different stories, though. The vaccine being widely available in April doesn't mean that nearly everyone will be able to get it by June. You're talking about millions and millions of people and a limited supply of vaccines and healthcare personnel able to administer them. It's going to take at least till around fall before you get most people around the world decently vaccinated for civilization to return to normal, and I'm being optimistic. Remember that a good number of other countries out there won’t be as well provisioned as the US. Sure, things might have already improved by summer, but that doesn't mean things would be so much improved that theaters can go back to the kind of full operations they'd need for their necessary revenue.
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Post by blockbusted on Jan 3, 2021 13:21:24 GMT
I think you might've misinterpreted some of those words. If what Fauci has said is to be believed, the vaccine could become widely available by April, and I think that was before we've started to hear good news about vaccines. In other words, we could see some significant-enough recovery by mid-2021 to a point where something like cinemas can operate better than they can right now. Gyms and martial arts schools might be bit of different stories, though. The vaccine being widely available in April doesn't mean that nearly everyone will be able to get it by June. You're talking about millions and millions of people and a limited supply of vaccines and healthcare personnel able to administer them. It's going to take at least till around fall before you get most people around the world decently vaccinated for civilization to return to normal, and I'm being optimistic. Remember that a good number of other countries out there won’t be as well provisioned as the US. Sure, things might have already improved by summer, but that doesn't mean things would be so much improved that theaters can go back to the kind of full operations they'd need for their necessary revenue. Not everything is black-and-white, you know. Cinemas could use various ways to survive until they can resume full operation. And speaking of other countries, films like Peninsula and Demon Slayer actually managed to become box office successes despite limited capacities and all those.
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