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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Jan 17, 2021 14:25:01 GMT
In the original Maltese Falcon (1931), the two villains, Gutman and Cairo, are explicitly gay partners.
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Post by Mulder and Scully on Jan 17, 2021 14:56:55 GMT
Actually, you couldn't be more wrong. Everything the poster stated was factual. Now, on the other hand, what you said about the 30s movies is nothing BUT opinion. And how exactly are 30s movies pretentious? If anything, I'd say they are the opposite. There may be a kind of artifice to those older movies, but there is also an innocence and naivete to them. It is modern movies that are pretentious. Very pretentious. All that faux realism makes my stomach turn. I read that the first 30 minutes of the 2020 "Pieces of a Woman" we get to watch the main character go through extreme labor pains, only to miscarry. The rest of the movie, apparently, is her going around in a daze. This sounds like the epitome of boring and pretentious. I don't mind self-indulgence if I'm getting to see into the vision of an interesting, creative mind. But there is nothing interesting or creative or original about watching a woman struggle through labor pains for 30 minutes. Almost all new movies have some of this kind of arrogance. "Three Billboards Outside..." is a perfect example of pretentious and self-important, perfectly reflected in that freak Frances McDormand's obnoxious Oscar speech. "Because I have something to say! Just say thank you and get off the stage quick because your chain link dress is too awful to bear. Uggghhh... So, sophomore, what 30s movies have you seen, anyway? 
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Post by dirtypillows on Jan 17, 2021 17:48:33 GMT
Actually, you couldn't be more wrong. Everything the poster stated was factual. Now, on the other hand, what you said about the 30s movies is nothing BUT opinion. And how exactly are 30s movies pretentious? If anything, I'd say they are the opposite. There may be a kind of artifice to those older movies, but there is also an innocence and naivete to them. It is modern movies that are pretentious. Very pretentious. All that faux realism makes my stomach turn. I read that the first 30 minutes of the 2020 "Pieces of a Woman" we get to watch the main character go through extreme labor pains, only to miscarry. The rest of the movie, apparently, is her going around in a daze. This sounds like the epitome of boring and pretentious. I don't mind self-indulgence if I'm getting to see into the vision of an interesting, creative mind. But there is nothing interesting or creative or original about watching a woman struggle through labor pains for 30 minutes. Almost all new movies have some of this kind of arrogance. "Three Billboards Outside..." is a perfect example of pretentious and self-important, perfectly reflected in that freak Frances McDormand's obnoxious Oscar speech. "Because I have something to say! Just say thank you and get off the stage quick because your chain link dress is too awful to bear. Uggghhh... So, sophomore, what 30s movies have you seen, anyway? Stick with it, brat, and you can be a sophomore for life! |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 18, 2021 0:33:23 GMT
In the original Maltese Falcon (1931), the two villains, Gutman and Cairo, are explicitly gay partners. I wouldn't say that is anything to revere in the film in that instance, even if depicting gay characters. As long as they are villains, that is where they would have belonged to most minds.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 18, 2021 0:34:48 GMT
Stick with it, brat, and you can be a sophomore for life! And giving you a meme from a Coen Bros. movie is adding even more insult to injury Mr. Dirty.... 
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Post by dirtypillows on Jan 18, 2021 1:04:36 GMT
Stick with it, brat, and you can be a sophomore for life! And giving you a meme from a Coen Bros. movie is adding even more insult to injury Mr. Dirty.... Oh, wow, I did not know that. How typical is that. To paraphrase "Alice in Wonderland", typicaler and typicaler... |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 18, 2021 1:12:42 GMT
And giving you a meme from a Coen Bros. movie is adding even more insult to injury Mr. Dirty.... Oh, wow, I did not know that. So typical. To paraphrase "Alice in Wonderland", typicaler and typicaler...Or curiouser and curiouser....
I think that is part of the reason why I started this thread, because I do have an inkling curiosity for 30's cinema, since so many have revered it. I just don't know if I can bring myself to waste time within it, as there are so many other films I haven't seen from later eras that look more appealing.
I have seen Mutiny On The Bounty as well, but I didn't really like it in comparison to the Brando and Howard 60's version which often gets maligned in comparison for some reason. I don't see anything wrong with this spectacle and its glorious setting and cinematography. Brando was always appealing for me to watch in his heyday too and I have always liked Trevor Howard. I really like Lean's Brief Encounter - 45' with Celia Johnson.
The 30's churned out films like no tomorrow, it is good to have other posters recommendations too.
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Post by OrsonSwelles on Jan 18, 2021 1:12:53 GMT
Nothing. Just a bunch a of dull, dated, pretentious garbage. Your ignorance is showing. If anything the 1930s is among the least, if not the least, pretentious decade for film.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 18, 2021 1:18:01 GMT
Nothing. Just a bunch a of dull, dated, pretentious garbage. Your ignorance is showing. If anything the 1930s is among the least, if not the least, pretentious decade for film. It would depend on how one defines pretentious, because while I don't have much point of reference as I haven't seen a lot of films from the 30's, mainly clips, they can look pretentious. I get the posters point.
pretentious
/prɪˈtɛnʃəs/
adjective: pretentious
attempting to impress by affecting greater importance or merit than is actually possessed.
"pretentious art films"
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Many of these synonym's do appear to fit from my own observation. I could be wrong, but sometimes if someone loves something, they may not want to hear anything that might taint that image, even if there is some truth behind it.
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Post by OrsonSwelles on Jan 18, 2021 1:58:38 GMT
Your ignorance is showing. If anything the 1930s is among the least, if not the least, pretentious decade for film. It would depend on how one defines pretentious, because while I don't have much point of reference as I haven't seen a lot of films from the 30's, mainly clips, they can look pretentious. I get the posters point. pretentious
/prɪˈtɛnʃəs/
adjective: pretentious
attempting to impress by affecting greater importance or merit than is actually possessed.
"pretentious art films"
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ostentatious
chi-chi
showy
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flaunty
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overambitious
pompous
artificial
flatulent
inflated
overblown
overripe
fustian
hyperventilated
mannered
high-flown
high-sounding
flowery
grandiose
big
grand
elaborate
extravagant
heroic
flamboyant
ornate
grandiloquent
magniloquent
bombastic
turgid
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rhetorical
oratorical
sophomoric
highfalutin
la-di-da
fancy-pants
posey
pseud
pseudo
poncy
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dicty Many of these synonym's do appear to fit from my own observation. I could be wrong, but sometimes if someone loves something, they may not want to hear anything that might taint that image, even if there is some truth behind it.
Of which the 30s have fewer than other decades.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 18, 2021 2:22:26 GMT
It would depend on how one defines pretentious, because while I don't have much point of reference as I haven't seen a lot of films from the 30's, mainly clips, they can look pretentious. I get the posters point. pretentious
/prɪˈtɛnʃəs/
adjective: pretentious
attempting to impress by affecting greater importance or merit than is actually possessed.
"pretentious art films"
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ostentatious
chi-chi
showy
flashy
tinselly
conspicuous
flaunty
tasteless
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overambitious
pompous
artificial
flatulent
inflated
overblown
overripe
fustian
hyperventilated
mannered
high-flown
high-sounding
flowery
grandiose
big
grand
elaborate
extravagant
heroic
flamboyant
ornate
grandiloquent
magniloquent
bombastic
turgid
orotund
rhetorical
oratorical
sophomoric
highfalutin
la-di-da
fancy-pants
posey
pseud
pseudo
poncy
toffee-nosed
dicty Many of these synonym's do appear to fit from my own observation. I could be wrong, but sometimes if someone loves something, they may not want to hear anything that might taint that image, even if there is some truth behind it.
Of which the 30s have fewer than other decades. Perhaps! But I find that hard to believe. One of those similar terms, 'highfalutin' does tend to fit. They may not have been pretentious, as in high art pretentious, but look pretentious as in unrealistic ott.
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Post by dirtypillows on Jan 18, 2021 4:20:44 GMT
Oh, wow, I did not know that. So typical. To paraphrase "Alice in Wonderland", typicaler and typicaler...Or curiouser and curiouser....
I think that is part of the reason why I started this thread, because I do have an inkling curiosity for 30's cinema, since so many have revered it. I just don't know if I can bring myself to waste time within it, as there are so many other films I haven't seen from later eras that look more appealing.
I have seen Mutiny On The Bounty as well, but I didn't really like it in comparison to the Brando and Howard 60's version which often gets maligned in comparison for some reason. I don't see anything wrong with this spectacle and its glorious setting and cinematography. Brando was always appealing for me to watch in his heyday too and I have always liked Trevor Howard. I really like Lean's Brief Encounter - 45' with Celia Johnson.
The 30's churned out films like no tomorrow, it is good to have other posters recommendations too.
I like "Brief Encounter", simple and very moving. "Munity on the Bounty" is exactly the type of movie I avoid. Between the 35 and 62 version, I would pick the latter only because of Brando. I don't know, maybe I will give it a shot some time. "curiouser and curiouser" Yes! So you've read the book? I've read it once. Also, "Through the Looking Glass". They are both dazzling, charmimg stories. |
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Post by dirtypillows on Jan 18, 2021 4:28:13 GMT
Your ignorance is showing. If anything the 1930s is among the least, if not the least, pretentious decade for film. It would depend on how one defines pretentious, because while I don't have much point of reference as I haven't seen a lot of films from the 30's, mainly clips, they can look pretentious. I get the posters point.
pretentious
/prɪˈtɛnʃəs/
adjective: pretentious
attempting to impress by affecting greater importance or merit than is actually possessed.
"pretentious art films"
h
Similar:
affected
ostentatious
chi-chi
showy
flashy
tinselly
conspicuous
flaunty
tasteless
kitschy
overambitious
pompous
artificial
flatulent
inflated
overblown
overripe
fustian
hyperventilated
mannered
high-flown
high-sounding
flowery
grandiose
big
grand
elaborate
extravagant
heroic
flamboyant
ornate
grandiloquent
magniloquent
bombastic
turgid
orotund
rhetorical
oratorical
sophomoric
highfalutin
la-di-da
fancy-pants
posey
pseud
pseudo
poncy
toffee-nosed
dicty
Many of these synonym's do appear to fit from my own observation. I could be wrong, but sometimes if someone loves something, they may not want to hear anything that might taint that image, even if there is some truth behind it.
Wow. That's a whole lot of synonyms there! I would say that showy, flashy, ornate and tinselly describe the look of a lot of 1930s films. But that's something about them that I like a lot. Some of those old movies are gorgeous to look at, especially if happen to like Art Deco. As far as stuff like the story and the acting, the words big, grand, grandiose, extravagant and heroic are all, i would say, pretty accurate. Take the 1932 BP Oscar winner "Grand Hotel", it's all of those things. It's pretty to look at *and JC gives the best performance in it* but I did find the movie pretty boring and pretentious. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 18, 2021 4:34:38 GMT
Or curiouser and curiouser....
I think that is part of the reason why I started this thread, because I do have an inkling curiosity for 30's cinema, since so many have revered it. I just don't know if I can bring myself to waste time within it, as there are so many other films I haven't seen from later eras that look more appealing.
I have seen Mutiny On The Bounty as well, but I didn't really like it in comparison to the Brando and Howard 60's version which often gets maligned in comparison for some reason. I don't see anything wrong with this spectacle and its glorious setting and cinematography. Brando was always appealing for me to watch in his heyday too and I have always liked Trevor Howard. I really like Lean's Brief Encounter - 45' with Celia Johnson.
The 30's churned out films like no tomorrow, it is good to have other posters recommendations too.
I like "Brief Encounter", simple and very moving. "Munity on the Bounty" is exactly the type of movie I avoid. Between the 35 and 62 version, I would pick the latter only because of Brando. I don't know, maybe I will give it a shot some time. "curiouser and curiouser" Yes! So you've read the book? I've read it once. Also, "Through the Looking Glass". They are both dazzling, charmimg stories. I have the books but haven’t read them. I have seen the Walt Disney cartoon umpteen times though. When I bought the books almost 2 decades ago from a used book store, there was a pushy condescending lady working there. She seemed judgemental of me that I wanted Alice and I think I was also after a nice collection of Hans Christian Anderson fairy tale stories with lovely illustrations. I had just seen the NZ Campion film An Angel At My Table - 91’ and there was a fairy tale book featured in that and I wanted one similar. The illustrations had a gauze page over each one in the film. She then was telling me to go for something like Treasure Island instead. How dare she undermine me. I did end up getting that too though as it was a nice looking book, but she was being a bag trolling me. I also like The Bounty - 84, with Gibson and Hopkins.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 18, 2021 4:36:49 GMT
It would depend on how one defines pretentious, because while I don't have much point of reference as I haven't seen a lot of films from the 30's, mainly clips, they can look pretentious. I get the posters point.
pretentious
/prɪˈtɛnʃəs/
adjective: pretentious
attempting to impress by affecting greater importance or merit than is actually possessed.
"pretentious art films"
h
Similar:
affected
ostentatious
chi-chi
showy
flashy
tinselly
conspicuous
flaunty
tasteless
kitschy
overambitious
pompous
artificial
flatulent
inflated
overblown
overripe
fustian
hyperventilated
mannered
high-flown
high-sounding
flowery
grandiose
big
grand
elaborate
extravagant
heroic
flamboyant
ornate
grandiloquent
magniloquent
bombastic
turgid
orotund
rhetorical
oratorical
sophomoric
highfalutin
la-di-da
fancy-pants
posey
pseud
pseudo
poncy
toffee-nosed
dicty
Many of these synonym's do appear to fit from my own observation. I could be wrong, but sometimes if someone loves something, they may not want to hear anything that might taint that image, even if there is some truth behind it.
Wow. That's a whole lot of synonyms there! I would say that showy, flashy, ornate and tinselly describe the look of a lot of 1930s films. But that's something about them that I like a lot. Some of those old movies are gorgeous to look at, especially if happen to like Art Deco. As far as stuff like the story and the acting, the words big, grand, grandiose, extravagant and heroic are all, i would say, pretty accurate. Take the 1932 BP Oscar winner "Grand Hotel", it's all of those things. It's pretty to look at *and JC gives the best performance in it* but I did find the movie pretty boring and pretentious. That is my impression and I do feel jackiemoon did use a somewhat correct term. All semantics though.
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Post by dirtypillows on Jan 18, 2021 5:35:14 GMT
Wow. That's a whole lot of synonyms there! I would say that showy, flashy, ornate and tinselly describe the look of a lot of 1930s films. But that's something about them that I like a lot. Some of those old movies are gorgeous to look at, especially if happen to like Art Deco. As far as stuff like the story and the acting, the words big, grand, grandiose, extravagant and heroic are all, i would say, pretty accurate. Take the 1932 BP Oscar winner "Grand Hotel", it's all of those things. It's pretty to look at *and JC gives the best performance in it* but I did find the movie pretty boring and pretentious. That is my impression and I do feel jackiemoon did use a somewhat correct term. All semantics though. Jackiemoon can take a jump in the lake. |
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Post by dirtypillows on Jan 18, 2021 5:39:27 GMT
I like "Brief Encounter", simple and very moving. "Munity on the Bounty" is exactly the type of movie I avoid. Between the 35 and 62 version, I would pick the latter only because of Brando. I don't know, maybe I will give it a shot some time. "curiouser and curiouser" Yes! So you've read the book? I've read it once. Also, "Through the Looking Glass". They are both dazzling, charmimg stories. I have the books but haven’t read them. I have seen the Walt Disney cartoon umpteen times though. When I bought the books almost 2 decades ago from a used book store, there was a pushy condescending lady working there. She seemed judgemental of me that I wanted Alice and I think I was also after a nice collection of Hans Christian Anderson fairy tale stories with lovely illustrations. I had just seen the NZ Campion film An Angel At My Table - 91’ and there was a fairy tale book featured in that and I wanted one similar. The illustrations had a gauze page over each one in the film. She then was telling me to go for something like Treasure Island instead. How dare she undermine me. I did end up getting that too though as it was a nice looking book, but she was being a bag trolling me. I also like The Bounty - 84, with Gibson and Hopkins. What a cooz! That lady's attitude had absolutely no business in the workplace. If she caught me at the wrong time, I might have asked her if she could recommemd any good books about cannibalistic serial killers. What a twat. I've never seen The Bounty - 84. Totally flew under my radar. And knowing now how Braveheart ends, I will never watch that movie. Ever. Maybe some day I will watch "Dances with Wolves", though. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 18, 2021 8:36:56 GMT
That is my impression and I do feel jackiemoon did use a somewhat correct term. All semantics though. Jackiemoon can take a jump in the lake. I guess they just got offside the wrong person Mr. Dirty. They were warned, now they are doomed.... 
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 18, 2021 8:53:24 GMT
I have the books but haven’t read them. I have seen the Walt Disney cartoon umpteen times though. When I bought the books almost 2 decades ago from a used book store, there was a pushy condescending lady working there. She seemed judgemental of me that I wanted Alice and I think I was also after a nice collection of Hans Christian Anderson fairy tale stories with lovely illustrations. I had just seen the NZ Campion film An Angel At My Table - 91’ and there was a fairy tale book featured in that and I wanted one similar. The illustrations had a gauze page over each one in the film. She then was telling me to go for something like Treasure Island instead. How dare she undermine me. I did end up getting that too though as it was a nice looking book, but she was being a bag trolling me. I also like The Bounty - 84, with Gibson and Hopkins. What a cooz! That lady's attitude had absolutely no business in the workplace. If she caught me at the wrong time, I might have asked her if she could recommemd any good books about cannibalistic serial killers. What a twat. I've never seen The Bounty - 84. Totally flew under my radar. And knowing now how Braveheart ends, I will never watch that movie. Ever. Maybe some day I will watch "Dances with Wolves", though. I reckon, yet I guess it was her business, so she took liberty to play the controlling matriarch. I find many women can get like that. I guess they have men issues, or struggle to live in their hormonally raging bitchy bodies at times. It is a junior illustrated edition of Treasure Island, but the pictures are beautiful, her pushy attitude wasn't. The fairy tale book I got has lovely full page illustrations in it too. The HCA one I have I think I got elsewhere, but has b&w drawings. Its nice to get inspired by something in a movie though.
In Crimes Of The Heart - 86', there is a lovely antique lamp on display in the house Spacek, Lange and Keaton live in. I managed to get one off ebay several years ago. It was an antique lamp and I didn't even make the connection at the time until the last time I saw the film. I just knew I was drawn to it and it was for pick up only in a suburb that was about 90mins drive away from where I live. Price greatly reduced too. Luckily for me I had friends that just happened to have moved there, so they picked it up for me. All providential and from one of my fav films from the 80's.
The Bounty story has always fascinated me. Once I had a dream that I was a part of it on a tropical island and I didn't want to leave it. It was so surreal, yet I felt a part of it too.
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Post by Fox in the Snow on Jan 18, 2021 9:44:49 GMT
Pretentious usually just means "unique, interesting, and ambitious but I don't like it".
It's a term I personally try to avoid using because I believe most artists deserve the benefit of the doubt.
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